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Offline Guga

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Last minute deal?
« on: February 21, 2013, 09:08:23 AM »
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    Jean Marie Guénois, from Le Figaro, which by the way has been very successful in recent articles concerning the Fraternity, gives us more information about the ultimatum from Rome to Bishop Fellay.

    In his article, four points are highlighted:


    -The final discussions are under way between Rome and Ecône ... Until the last moment the Pope tries to find an agreement.

    -Rome offers, before Benedict XVI's resignation takes effect in February 28, signing a final agreement  and make (the SSPX) a prelature that would be dependent of Rome but independence from the bishops.

    -Another incredible opening in the letter of Archbishop Di Noia is that it allows Lefebvrians to continue their critical theological examination of Vatican II in the framework provided by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but with the condition of not expose it each morning in the public square. And besides, the freedom of a prelature to exercise this particular charism priest, as Archbishop Di Noia said. A very well established canonical status.

    -Monsignor Fellay did not expect the resignation of the Pope and he thought he had time, but there is not. Not even to consult the chapter of his congregation, as he had promised not to enter into an agreement with the pope without consulting them. Bishop Fellay knows that the opportunity is unique.

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/02/jean-marie-guenois-prelatura-en.html


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    Last minute deal?
    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 09:15:13 AM »
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    Jean Marie Guénois, from Le Figaro, which by the way has been very successful in recent articles concerning the Fraternity, gives us more information about the ultimatum from Rome to Bishop Fellay.

    In his article, four points are highlighted:


    -The final discussions are under way between Rome and Ecône ... Until the last moment the Pope tries to find an agreement.

    -Rome offers, before Benedict XVI's resignation takes effect in February 28, signing a final agreement  and make (the SSPX) a prelature that would be dependent of Rome but independence from the bishops.

    -Another incredible opening in the letter of Archbishop Di Noia is that it allows Lefebvrians to continue their critical theological examination of Vatican II in the framework provided by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, but with the condition of not expose it each morning in the public square. And besides, the freedom of a prelature to exercise this particular charism priest, as Archbishop Di Noia said. A very well established canonical status.

    -Monsignor Fellay did not expect the resignation of the Pope and he thought he had time, but there is not. Not even to consult the chapter of his congregation, as he had promised not to enter into an agreement with the pope without consulting them. Bishop Fellay knows that the opportunity is unique.

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2013/02/jean-marie-guenois-prelatura-en.html



    Guga, Curioustrad posted a new thread just 5 minutes before your's titled :Game over for now? The source he quotes is the Vatican Information Service. If there are people interested in a last minute deal they can only be Fellay and his supporters. SSPX has approx. 150,000 adherents versus 1.2 billion of the Conciliar Church. I dont think the latter will lose sleep over no deal.


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    Last minute deal?
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 09:53:31 AM »
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  • In other words, if a prelature is offered and accepted, it will be on the condition of no public opposition o Vatican 2, and the acceptance will be illegal insofar as the chapter will not be consulted.

    Got it.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Last minute deal?
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 10:08:22 AM »
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  • With deal or no deal they will make sure to try to destroy us. Even if we are only hundreds or so. It is not the number that made Benedict XVI to hold the agenda (for the official instalment of the "New Religion")  to discuss with the SSPX. It was simply because the Tradition holds the Truth. Now with his resignation he wants to make sure he will gain the lost time again and align the Church with the globalist agenda, or better to say, to make the Church to lead the "new religion".
    I believe this ultimatum is true, and if Bishop Fellay is not able to handle it they will make sure to destroy us even without any agreement, as they are successfully doing now.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 10:28:03 AM »
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    I believe this ultimatum is true, and if Bishop Fellay is not able to handle it they will make sure to destroy us even without any agreement, as they are successfully doing now.


    Who is like God?

    They cannot destroy God's work, no matter how much they try.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"


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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 10:42:07 AM »
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  • What you mean by that? SSPX can not fall?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 11:05:45 AM »
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  • ok, apparently  there is no ultimatum according to the new Vatican press release.  It Is "pure hypothesis"...  :scratchchin:

    http://www.vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=e683d433-e4b6-a3b8-e0e7-512626882f9b&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1


    POPE'S FINAL ACTIVITIES, POSSIBILITY OF A MOTU PROPRIO, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS X
    Vatican City, 21 February 2013 (VIS) – This morning Fr. Federico Lombardi, director of the Holy See Press Office, presented information related to the Holy Father's calendar and clarified some issues that have been raised in the past few days.
    At 9:00am on Saturday, 23 February, the Holy Father and the Roman Curia will conclude their spiritual exercises. Traditionally, the Pope addresses those present briefly. That same day, at 11:30am, he will meet with the President of the Italian Republic Giorgio Napolitano. On Sunday, 24 February, Benedict XVI will pray the last Angelus of his pontificate with the faithful gathered in St. Peter's Square. On Wednesday, 27 February, Benedict XVI's final general audience will take place in St. Peter's Square in the usual fashion, except for his re-entry to the Apostolic Palace, the path of which will wind around the square in the popemobile so that he may greet the many participants who are expected (to date, over 30,000 people have requested tickets). On 28 February, as announced in a notice from the Papal Household, he will personally greet all the cardinals present in Rome, that is, both those who are resident here and those who have come to the capitol in recent days. There will be no speech.
    Regarding his departure from the Vatican, shortly before 5:00pm, the Pope will greet Cardinal Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone, S.D.B., in the San Damaso Courtyard and, upon reaching the Vatican heliport, will bid farewell to Cardinal Angelo Sodano, dean of the College of Cardinals. On arrival at Castel Gandolfo he will be received by the president and secretary of the Governorate of Vatican City, the mayor of the town, and other civil authorities and will appear at the balcony of the Apostolic Palace to greet the faithful present.
    On a different topic, the director of the Holy See Press Office has stated that the date of the conclave is established by the congregation of cardinals during the Sede vacante, independently of a possible Motu Proprio from the Holy Father that could specify some details of the Apostolic Constitution "Universi Dominici Gregis".
    Regarding the issue of the Society of St. Pius X, he reaffirmed that the date of 22 February to decide the issue is pure hypothesis and that Benedict XVI has decided to entrust the matter to the next Pope, therefore, a definition of relations with that society should not be expected by the end of this pontificate.
    In conclusion, he confirmed that the Commission of Cardinals (Julian Herranz, Jozef Tomko, and Salvatore De Giorgi) set up by the Holy Father to prepare a report on the Holy See has made its results known exclusively to the Pope. The cardinals will not grant interviews or otherwise comment on the results.