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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 05:09:39 AM »
Is the Prelate mentioned in the apparition of 1599 (the one who will restore the Convent to the direction of the Franciscan Fathers) necessarily the same Prelate referred to by Our Lady in the apparition of 1634 who will restore the spirit of his priests? I do not see from these texts that they are necessarily, or even likely, one and the same person. Nor do I see from the texts presented here that it excludes Archbishop Lefebvre as being that Prelate. I would be interested if anyone can throw any light on this.
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 05:44:27 AM »
I've always believed the Prelate to be the Angelic Pastor, the foretold Holy Pope to come, who will bring restoration. Some of the things mentioned he could do before becoming Pope and the others after it. Archbishop Lefebvre would be a prefigurement of this Prelate. It is only holy Bishops and Popes who can save the Church. None of us will know who the Prelate will be until the hour comes. He will likely be the Pope who with the world's Bishops will Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart, and will restore Tradition in the Church. God will send us this holy Pastor at the right time. According to Mother Mariana's revelations, the time of his coming can be hastened by prayer. "He might take pity on His ministers and quickly bring to an end those ominous times, sending to this Church the Prelate who will restore the spirit of Her priests." Also, a confirmation that there are valid Priests, but have lost their sacerdotal spirit.

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I can't stand theology by private revelation.  XavierSem was doing that on another thread.
Have it your own way, Ladislaus. I also cited Fr. G-L, St. Thomas, Sacred Scripture and standard principles of sacramental theology, beside private revelation. But you can misrepresent it if it makes you happy. St. Alphonsus, btw, apart from various other Saints and sources, also cites revelations made by Our Lord and Our Lady, and Angels, to the Saints, in proof of particular teachings, for e.g. in the Glories of Mary on Her Sorrows and Dolors: "This is precisely what the angel revealed to St. Bridget; and he also added, `that the Blessed Virgin, even before she became His Mother, knowing how much the Incarnate Word was to suffer for the salvation of men, and compassionating this innocent Saviour, who was to be so cruelly put to death for crimes not His own, even then began her great martyrdom ...The Divine Mother herself revealed to Saint Bridget, that "even after the death and ascension of her Son, whether she ate, or worked, the remembrance of His passion was ever deeply impressed on her mind, and fresh in her tender heart" ... I say voluntarily, since, as Saint Agnes revealed to Saint Bridget, "our compassionate and benign Mother was satisfied rather to endure any torment than that our souls should not be redeemed, and be left in their former state of perdition." See: https://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/7DOLORS.HTM So a Doctor of the Church disagrees with that. Private revelation has its place.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 08:02:01 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on March 11, 2019, 05:44:27 AM
I've always believed the Prelate to be the Angelic Pastor, the foretold Holy Pope to come, who will bring restoration.

Did you even bother reading the article?  It's clear that the Prelate cannot be a pope, since one of the things foretold of him is that he would petition the Pope for something.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 08:04:56 AM »
Quote from: XavierSem on March 11, 2019, 05:44:27 AM
Have it your own way, Ladislaus. I also cited Fr. G-L, St. Thomas, Sacred Scripture and standard principles of sacramental theology, beside private revelation.

You've cited nothing relevant.

You've declared that the reason you like SSPX over FSSP is due to the size of their seminary and their organization.  You have no theological reasons whatsoever for the preference.  Instead you cite the purported words of Satan from an exorcism.  [PS, you do realize, don't you?, the difference between private revelations that have been approved by the Church and your personal interpretation of purported revelations lacking such approval, right?]

You have not give one single reason why you cannot in conscience be in full communion with the Catholic hierarchy by joining with the FSSP.  You just like SSPX better for entirely superficial reasons and some private revelation (falsely interpreted, since you don't even seem to be able to read the actual texts).
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: Lady of Good Success Prophecy about +Lefebvre
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 08:28:12 AM »
I did it read it and that's why I said, "Some of the things mentioned he could do before becoming Pope and the others after it." I don't know why you jump to conclusions and why you are so hostile. But I'm not going to reply to you in kind.

Many of the things foretold about how the Prelate would effect wider restoration, as the article itself mentions, "he is supposed to restore not just one religious order or establish a new one, but “to bring an end to those ominous times” and to oversee the entire restoration of the Church." would suggest he will be the Shepherd not merely of a particular Church, but of the universal Church.

I said the SSPX is more effective in contributing toward the salvation of souls worldwide and therefore in my opinion is the best traditional order worldwide. I don't consider the others non-Catholic, but less good. The need of the hour is at least 10,000 traditional Mass centres every Sunday if not more frequently, and all traditional orders combined have not reached that yet. I don't consider the SSPX outside full communion, so that's just a strawman that is gratuitously asserted. I'm not interested in getting into a polemic or a flame war with you. Is our purpose really the sanctification and salvation of our and other souls in all we do, Ladislaus? That is the only question men of God should ask themselves. And hopefully, the answer will be yes, or at least we're striving for it be so. God blesses nothing so much as endeavors for the salvation and sanctification of souls, of our souls, of all souls, if possible. Peace be with you.
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