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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #75 on: October 29, 2012, 04:08:31 PM »
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    New York, NY, September 16, 2011 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) urges the Vatican to ensure that a breakaway Catholic sect which teaches anti-Judaism will be required to accept the church's official positive teachings about Jews and Judaism before they are fully accepted back into the Roman Catholic Church.

    The Vatican announced earlier this week that in order for The Society of St. Pius X to gain full reconciliation with the church, SSPX must accept some core church teachings, but they have not been made public.

    It was unclear from news reports and Vatican statements whether the landmark reforms of the Second Vatican Council and subsequent Vatican teachings - which reversed nearly 2,000 years of church-based anti-Semitism, repudiated the deicide charge against Jews, and called for positive and respectful interfaith relations - were included among these latest requirements.

    Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a h0Ɩ0cαųst survivor, issued the following statement:

    "We are confident that Pope Benedict XVI will continue to require the Society of St. Pius X, which espouses anti-Semitic and anti-Jєωιѕн beliefs, to publicly accept the church's positive teachings about Jews and Judaism since the 1965 Second Vatican Council, before fully accepting them back into the Roman Catholic Church.

    It would be unthinkable to allow a Catholic breakaway sect that includes a h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying bishop, Richard Williamson, to be reintegrated into the church while still being allowed to promote anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism - which they have been doing for years in their teachings and on their Web site.

    We trust Pope Benedict's promise that he made to us during our meeting in 2007 that he would stand with us against all forms of anti-Semitism."


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    « Reply #76 on: October 29, 2012, 04:45:27 PM »
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    "That never occurred to me in all this?"

    Really?

    What do you think the "elder brothers" remark by +Fellay was about?

    It was a sign of submission.

    There are only two sides really.  You're either with the powers and the principalities of this world of darkness or you're with Our Lord.  

    We know which side the conciliarists, cdu people, the israelis, are with.


    Submission yes, it was a sure sign of submission.  What I'm asking without asking is, is this what Fellay was always about, or is this new found love for modernism and the enemies of Christ just that, new found.

    Its one thing for a man to become corrupted over time, it's quite another to enter into an organization already corrupt.



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    « Reply #77 on: October 29, 2012, 04:47:35 PM »
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    Siscoe:  So you’re not Jєωιѕн?  No Jєωιѕн background?  You were baptized a Catholic as a child?

    Krah:  Of course, I am a Catholic.  



    Siscoe:  Are you a Freemason?


    Krah: No I am not a Freemason, and never have been.




    Well then there ya have it, all nicely wrapped up by the Remnant.  The great and wonderful krah is now cleared of any and all accusations because he says he's not a mason or a jew.

    Not wasting anytime are we Menzingen?  You didn't even wait for Bishop Williamson to shut the door on his way out before you 1. make it clear you are headed for Rome now that the obstacle like that pesky truthman +Williamson won't be there to stop you, and 2. you just couldn't wait to clear the good name of your bud Krah.  Something you couldn't do while Bishop Williamson was still on board.


    The enemies of God must be very proud of you.


     :facepalm:


    I wonder if Max has an East German baptismal certificate ?   :scratchchin:


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #78 on: October 29, 2012, 05:01:08 PM »
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    Siscoe:  So you’re not Jєωιѕн?  No Jєωιѕн background?  You were baptized a Catholic as a child?

    Krah:  Of course, I am a Catholic.


    Probably others have noted the incomplete answer to the question posed.  But let's note it again.  Krah did not say he was notJєωιѕн.  He did notsay he had no Jєωιѕн background.  I think a complete answer to the question would have been:

    "No, I am not Jєωιѕн, and I have no Jєωιѕн background.  I was baptized a Catholic."

    Offline Incredulous

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    « Reply #79 on: October 29, 2012, 05:21:33 PM »
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    Also WON states
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    Remember, too, that after the first Der Spiegel hatchet job on Williamson, Krah turned up at the British HQ of the SSPX in London at short notice and sought to get Williamson to do a second interview with the disreputable magazine. Williamson refused to do so, in spite of the fact that Krah had come with these journalists with the express sanction of Bishop Fellay! How in God’s name could Mgr. Fellay have thought that a second bite at the apple by Der Spiegel journalists would help the cause of Williamson or the SSPX? Go figure.


    Meaning of course... Bp. Fellay was in on the +Williamson ambush.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #80 on: October 29, 2012, 05:24:54 PM »
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    Siscoe:  So you’re not Jєωιѕн?  No Jєωιѕн background?  You were baptized a Catholic as a child?

    Krah:  Of course, I am a Catholic.


    Probably others have noted the incomplete answer to the question posed.  But let's note it again.  Krah did not say he was notJєωιѕн.  He did notsay he had no Jєωιѕн background.  I think a complete answer to the question would have been:

    "No, I am not Jєωιѕн, and I have no Jєωιѕн background.  I was baptized a Catholic."


    Yes, he has never denied being Jєωιѕн. According to Max, a Society priest "advised me to keep silent". Why the need to ask a priest?

    'Veritas1961' cited the example of Cardinal Lustiger in his/her questions to Fr Laisney.




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    « Reply #81 on: October 29, 2012, 05:28:00 PM »
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  • One reason to keep silent is to cause people to repeat the accusation, because it discredits them.

    I'd feel more sympathetic if such a person really was some sort of converso, rather than a trad-philosemite nutcase or cynic.

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    « Reply #82 on: October 29, 2012, 05:41:50 PM »
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  • I still agree with the point made earlier.

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    Regarding the interview... Nice try, but I'm not buying it, and neither are most other people. We're not stupid. I stand with Bishop Williamson.


    Given the expulsion of an obstacle to a deal and discussions ongoing, this interview was carefully planned but has been a PR blunder for Bishop Fellay.

    A bulk of priests and laity, who are not "wackos" and who are attending Society chapels much longer than Krah are deeply angry about the expulsion  and what Bishop Fellay is doing.

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    There are people in our ranks who were attrackted not by the faith, but by the unjust situation of being outcast. This is why, in the words of Bishop Fellay, "we are attractive for weirdos, although we don´t want that." Outsiders love to be outcast. For them, the SSPX is not the arch of the faith, but the refugium in which they hope to be protected from real life. They want to be sect instead of church


    "our ranks".
    Unless third order, Maximilian Krah is not a member of the SSPX and quite rash judgement and calumny to suggest people, who attend Society chapels are not attracted because of their faith. Catholics avail of valid sacraments from their chapels.

    As for his attacks on the Bishop, the Bishop has been in the Society for 36 years and chosen by God and Archbishop Lefebvre to be a Bishop.


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    « Reply #83 on: October 29, 2012, 05:46:13 PM »
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  • http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454539.0.html
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    This article and interview appears on The Remnant's website. It was an interesting read, though I found the interview less than convincing in terms of dispelling the accusations against him. I should add that I am not a regular SSPX Chapel-goer and thus do not really have a horse in this race so to speak. Here was a comment I posted on another blog which linked to the same article:

    "As what I would assume to be a rather impartial observer (I am not a regular SSPX attendee, etc.), I must admit that I did not find the interview with Mr. Krah all that convincing.

    He seems to obfuscate the real question about the State of Israel by refusing to address the theoretical question and instead stating that the practical situation is not so bad so we ought not to worry. That does little to dispel accusations, be they factual or not, of him being a Zionist.

    Furthermore, his last point about how he would attend another Friends of Tel Aviv event, comes across as immature and confrontational. He ought not to be supporting such a group, and even if going to a reception is not supporting them per se, plenty of folks quite understandably interpret it as such, so why the insipid and childish "I will do what I want" trope?

    Also, if Mr. Krah has no share in internal affairs of the SSPX as he states, and those things are solely within the purview of the SSPX authorities, then why does he feel the need to insert his editorial comment about +Williamson having "openly underminded authority and hierarchy?"

    He basically seems to think that Catholics=Republicans, and that Jews now are the same sort of Jews as Our Lord, Our Lady, and St. Joseph. As I said, unconvincing."

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    « Reply #84 on: October 29, 2012, 05:48:02 PM »
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    I'm not a professional interviewer, but it does strike me as "puff piece."

    The questions are weighted and biased, (Bishop Williamson is evil, Bishop Fellay is perfect as is Israel and those that don't agree are haters or just don't understand)  there is no follow up on the answers, too much focus on whether or not he's ethnically Jєωιѕн (which has an implicit indication that the people questioning his Catholic loyalties in contrast with possible tribal loyalties put all of their concern on that possible element.) ' it reads as "Your accusers are a bunch of αnтι-ѕємιтєs, let's let the world see how anti-semitic they are. "  

    And there is the little bit of insurance at the end. "The internet stalkers will take everything and twist it."   Cardinal Newman called it "poisoning the well"  Any criticism is to be blamed on Krah's English as a second language (so it can't be trusted and is open to revision by him) or it's just internet stalkers.  

    This part struck me as particularly funny:

    "Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case.  It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. But, as a lawyer, it was clear to me that he did not violate the German law because, in the moment he made his statement, his wrong statement, he had no idea that the interview would be broadcasted in Germany."

    Notice the dogmatism in the answer? Accusing Williamson of being dogmatic when he wasn't.  And the extra emphasis on the follow up "his wrong statement."  It has an almost parenthetical quality of putting it in there in order to protect himself from the German gov't.  

    My follow up question would be:  "You say Bishop Williamson is not open to arguments of historical facts, despite his statement to the contrary in the now infamous video.  Are you open to arguments of historical facts?  You come from a nation that is not open to publicly questioning historical facts on this matter, but are you personally open minded enough to publicly entertain the possibility of being wrong and Bishop Williamson being right?  If you answer "yes" then you are in danger of losing your freedom because of your governments laws.  If you say, "No" then you are no different from your own accusation against the bishop.  And also if you say, "no" how would we know  if you are simply saying that in order to protect yourself from persecution or that it was a genuine "no."
       

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    « Reply #85 on: October 29, 2012, 05:50:16 PM »
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    It is disconcerting that the current lawyer representing the SSPX who also has access to its finances adhere to Neo- conservative Zionist principles. .


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    Seriously? The State of Israel is a country which has for its official religion one born of denying the Messias and based upon a blasphemous book. It is a religion regularly condemned by Church Fathers and Pontiffs. It is an insidious and terrorist State which seeks to co-opt the U.S. and Europe into doing its own public relations and international dirty work, and happily takes many foreign funds from these countries. It is a country which has no legal right to exist because it occupies stolen land.




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    « Reply #86 on: October 29, 2012, 05:53:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Gospel of Luke
    [16] But he said to him: A certain man made a great supper, and invited many. [17] And he sent his servant at the hour of supper to say to them that were invited, that they should come, for now all things are ready. [18] And they began all at once to make excuse. The first said to him: I have bought a farm, and I must needs go out and see it: I pray thee, hold me excused. [19] And another said: I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to try them: I pray thee, hold me excused. [20] And another said: I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

    [21] And the servant returning, told these things to his lord. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant: Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the feeble, and the blind, and the lame. [22] And the servant said: Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. [23] And the Lord said to the servant: Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. [24] But I say unto you, that none of those men that were invited, shall taste of my supper.


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    By this man we are to understand Christ Jesus, the great mediator between God and man. He sent his servants, at supper-time, to say to them that were invited, that they should come; i.e. he sent his apostles to call the people of Israel, who had been invited to his supper on almost innumerable occasions: but they not only refused the invitation, but also murdered the Lord who had invited them.


    Which group is more pleasing to the neo-SSPX?

    They are not smearing and denigrating the people too concerned with affairs of the world to care about the integrity of the Faith - no - it's the people who are outside whom they despise.  

    And who do they want to associate with?  With people who constantly insult the name of Christ.

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    « Reply #87 on: October 29, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew 22:6
    And the rest laid hands on his servants, and having treated them contumeliously, put them to death. [7] But when the king had heard of it, he was angry, and sending his armies, he destroyed those murderers, and burnt their city.

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    « Reply #88 on: October 29, 2012, 06:20:01 PM »
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  • Besides confirming what we all suspected, the "Krah interview has demonstrated beyond a doubt that Bp. Fellay's neoSSPX is judaized.

    Since +Bp. Williamosn's expulsion, we've also confirmed that the Remnant and CFN are shills for the tribe.

    Max is zionist and most likely Jєωιѕн.  
    Ethnicity could be confirmed with a DNA test, but it doesn't matter.
    Like Bp. Fellay's CNS interview, Max just hung himself.


     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #89 on: October 29, 2012, 08:02:59 PM »
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  • Expectedly Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє cannot bear the existence of even the tiniest remnant of Catholicism, so predictably the SSPX and other practicing Catholic groups have been and will continue to be targeted—at least until their abject and groveling submission is complete.  Unable to tolerate Catholic or even historical truth, Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє seek to spread "Jєωιѕн fables" (Titus 1:14).

    Who doubted that?  Of course Bp. Williamson would be targeted for preaching "out of season" (2 Timothy 4:2) about the central "Jєωιѕн fable" that today's Pharisees—"friends" and "Elder Brothers"—have used in their attempt to replace Calvary with the h0Ɩ0h0αx as the pivot point of all history.  It is no longer deemed "prudent" to teach Catholic and historical truth. Websites must be sanitized of such inconvenient truths, right?

    The more that the inner circle open their mouths, the more their priorities and loyalties become clear.

    In a milieu of obvious mental reservations, important omissions, and substantive misdirections, I highly recommend Michael Hoffman' article Proto-Rabbinic Tactics of Deceit and their Adoption by Churchmen during the Renaissance.

    Just as many "Catholics," including prelates, seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of usury, many "Catholics" seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of lying or how one may be an accomplice to grave sins.  Where is the love of truth among self-professed Catholics? Is there love of truth in the SSPX?  Or has the SSPX been sent the operation of error to believe lies as 2 Thessalonians 2:10 promises to those who do not love the truth?

    We are obligated to consider these questions when the collection plate passes before us lest we become accomplices in the grave sins of others.