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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Quo Vadis Petre on October 27, 2012, 07:39:49 PM
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Don't shoot the messenger, but the Remnant has now an interview with Maximilian Krah (http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-1031-siscoe-krah-interview.htm):
Krahgate
An Interview with Maximilian Krah
By Robert J. Siscoe POSTED: 10/27/12
REMNANT COLUMNIST
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Maximilian Krah
(www.RemnantNewspaper.com) Several years ago, internet rumors began to circulate about a scandal brewing inside the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). According to these rumors, in early 2009, a Jєωιѕн Freemason named Maximilian Krah was appointed to the board of a newly founded corporation. This corporation was to serve as the financial vehicle for the investments of the SSPX. The board included the Superior General of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay, his first assistant, Fr. Nicholas Pfluger, the SSPX Bursar General, Fr. Emeric Baudot, and the purported Jєωιѕн Freemason, Maximilian Krah, who had a general power of attorney and hence access to the funds.
As coincidence would have it, the founding of this corporation coincided with the airing of the now famous interview with Bishop Williamson, in which he provided his personal opinion regarding certain aspects of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. The interview was subsequently aired on television in Germany, a country that requires an absolute unthinking adherence to the purported facts associated with the h0Ɩ0cαųst, the questioning or denial of which constitutes “h0Ɩ0cαųst denial” – a crime punishable by fines and up to five years in prison. When Bishop Williamson dared to question several of the purported facts, during a television interview, quite literally all hell broke loose. Dr. Krah, himself a lawyer, was entrusted with the task of locating a criminal attorney to defend Bishop Williamson. Additional rumors began to circulate over Dr. Krah’s choice of an attorney to represent Bishop Williamson, and increased when Bishop Williamson decided to hire a different lawyer to defend himself.
More rumors concerning Dr. Krah have continued to spread across the internet ever since. Message forums are filled with speculation, and websites and blogs have been set up in multiple languages to cover the latest events in what has come to be known as “Krahgate”. But interestingly, as I performed an internet search of the rumors in order to prepare this opening commentary, I realized that the rumors, while heavy on speculation and insinuation, are light on specifics, and even lighter on evidence. There is a lot of name-calling, but very little in the way of substantive accusations. One recent rumor, which seems to be based on a picture that has surfaced, is that Dr. Krah is a Zionist and might even be a secret Mossad agent. Although I did not follow the events of “Krahgate” very closely myself, I am aware that Dr. Krah’s reputation is less than revered among many SSPX faithful, and within certain circles ranks somewhere between that of Lucifer and Beelzebub.
With this brief background in mind, let us fast forward to The Angelus Press Conference, which was held at the Marriot Hotel in Kansas City, Missouri, during the weekend of October 19th through the 21st – a conference that I happened to attend.
On the first evening of the event, while on my way to cocktail hour, I struck up a conversation with a man in the elevator. We continued our conversation as we made our way to the Pavilion, which was set up on the water behind the hotel, for the Conference attendees. The gentleman and I continued our discussion as we proceeded to the bar for a glass of wine. At some point, we realized that we had not formally introduced ourselves. It was then that I learned the identity of the man I was speaking with, and it was none other than Maximilian Krah himself! As he stated his now famous, or should we say infamous name, one could almost hear the screeching noise from the Psycho shower scene sounding in the background.
I spent the remainder of the evening, and indeed the entire weekend, getting to know Dr. Krah. We discussed the Faith, the situation in the Church, the current events within the Society, and even our personal opinions on the best way of dealing with the present crisis of Faith that we are living through. Of course, we also discussed the many rumors circulating on the internet about him. Needless to say, he was well aware of them. He was more than happy to discuss them, and even seemed somewhat relieved to be able to finally give his side of the story.
Dr Krah, was baptized Catholic as a baby and raised in the Faith, and his parents were married by his uncle, who was a Catholic Priest. Dr. Krah, who is now 35 years old, found his way to Tradition in his early to mid- 20’s; and, after a brief pass through the Indult, has been a regular attendee of a Society chapel ever since.
Over the weekend I got to know Dr. Krah fairly well. We ate together, spent the evenings socializing, and he rode with me to the Pontifical High Mass at St. Vincent’s Church, which was celebrated by Bishop Fellay. During the course of the weekend, as he would meet new people, I would observe their reaction as he told them his name, and then the conversation would usually turn to the rumors.
Seeing how interested people were to hear his side of the story, which, I must say, differs dramatically from the internet rumors, I asked if he would allow me to interview him. I then asked Michael Matt (also at the conference) if he would be interested in running the interview of Dr. Krah in The Remnant, and he said yes. I purchased a tape recorder from the local Wal-Mart, did a quick internet search to familiarize myself with the rumors and get the latest news, and we made our way to the hotel’s “Nebraska Room” for the interview. The following is a transcript of the interview.
The Interview
Siscoe: First off Dr. Krah, I would like to thank you for agreeing to this interview. There is a lot of internet controversy surrounding you and your affiliation with the SSPX. Since some of the controversy deals with your faith and ethnicity, would you begin by telling us about your personal background?
Krah: Yes, of course, thank you for the opportunity to answer these questions. I am German by nationality. I was born and raised Catholic in the then-East Germany. My parents were married by my uncle who was a priest. East Germany had a Communist government until 1989, so we had the experience of living our Faith under an atheist regime. This may explain the reason for my positions on some points we will talk about later, because I know what it means to have an atheist government, an atheist state. I would not say that the East German government in the late 1980’s made a strong persecution of Christians but it was officially atheist. Sometimes I smile a little bit when I hear from other faithful that they feel persecuted by the government, because they have never experienced it. I think we should always see things in a very rational way, and we should not exaggerate our own feelings. This is why I am always an advocate of being moderate and very focused and detailed, even if we think things are worse. We should just be balanced. Later on in 1990, Germany was re-unificated, and it was the Catholics who came into charge because they were completely trustworthy since they were not linked to the Communist government. So my father, who was an engineer by training, became a senior servant of the state government and then my mother, who is a teacher by training, became a vice-principal of her school. I have 2 siblings. The oldest is my sister who is a dentist. My brother is a doctor. I later studied law in Germany and made my MBA in London and New York. I did some research and received a doctorate in law. My wife and I married with the Latin Mass on the High Altar, in Dresden Cathedral, shortly before we went to the SSPX. We have four children who we are raising Catholic, and we attend the chapel of the SSPX. There is absolutely nothing that should be considered suspicious to other people. We try to live a clean and successful life.
Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic. That’s it. About these accusations of being Jєωιѕн, I´d like to tell a story about when Charles Chaplin came to Germany in the early 1930’s. A lot of people from Berlin came to see him, and Hitler was jealous. The nαzι newspapers wrote an article criticizing and shaming so many Germans for applauding a Jew. When Chaplin came back to Hollywood, he was asked why he had not declared that he is not Jєωιѕн. His answer was: if I would have denied it officially, I would have felt as if I was agreeing that there was something bad about being Jєωιѕн. Given the mentality of the people at the time, he said it would have only contributed to the work of the nαzι’s, and this is why he didn’t say “I am not Jєωιѕн”. I had a quite similar reaction when I first read these accusations about myself. I sent an email to a US priest of the SSPX and asked him what I should do, and he advised me to keep silent because there is definitely nothing bad about being of the same people as Jesus and Mary. Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. That said, I do not think there is anything bad about people having Jєωιѕн roots. I simply do not have it.
Siscoe: Are you a Freemason?
Krah: No I am not a Freemason, and never have been.
Siscoe: How did you find tradition?
Krah: I think part of it has to do with my personal background. Remember, I came from a country that was only 5% Catholic. We were a minority. It was considered brave to go to Mass every Sunday, and it was clear that Catholics had to stick together in opposition to the Communist government. When the re-unification came, I very quickly joined the Young Christian Democrats, and the first action I took part in was in printing posters against a Communist radio channel. And I was very proud of being a part of this; I was fourteen at the time. We took part in this action, and then I came to Mass one Sunday, I noticed the chairman of the parish youth organization, who was the son of the pastoral assistant, and he was wearing a button in favor of this Communist channel. And he wore it on his Yasser Arafat scarf. This was at Mass. [Chuckle] When I saw this, I realized we live on different planets. And for me I always asked myself, “is it possible, that with the things they teach and they do in the local parish, we could have built up Christendom, with its major impressive cathedrals?” The answer was definitely “NO”!
During my military time I began to think about and to read more about my own faith. I eventually came across the website of the SSPX and I found the Catechism of Fr. Gaudron. I then sought out a traditional Mass in my area, and found there was one 120 kilometers away. It was an Indult but all the ministers were trained by the SSPX.
Siscoe: What year was this?
Krah: It was about 2003….
Siscoe: Okay, so after a brief pass through the Indult, you came to be affiliated with the Society. Can you tell us how that came about?
Krah: Even when I attended the Indult, I considered myself an SSPX man. I had found the SSPX homepage. I knew about Archbishop Lefebvre. It was a very short next step to contact the SSPX directly, and I met the then District Superior Fr. Heggenberger. At this time I was becoming more zealous in my faith, and because of my political activities and the status of my family, who was quite well linked to the diocese, I had considered trying to arrange a new Motu Proprio Chapel. Or, I could go the harder way and try to organize an SSPX Chapel. After a talk I had with Fr. Heggenberger, I decided doing it the hard way was the right way. It was clear that if you are interested in traditional Catholicism, the Latin Mass, etc. then there is one big player and it is the SSPX.
I have realized that not everyone who agrees with the SSPX attends the SSPX chapels. I attended the Indult primarily because it was closer to where I live. It wasn’t until later than I found out about the disagreements within the Traditional movement; between the different camps. I think the agreement between the various camps is very great; and the disagreements are… I think … there is a Latin phrase “viribus unitis”, we are all Catholics and we have to try to fight together, as far as possible. Of course, the SSPX is the anchor of the whole Traditional movement. And the intellectual influence goes far, even into the Novus Ordo… even within the Novus Ordo people look at what the SSPX is doing. They have them in their periphery. So for me it was clear, if I go this step out of the diocese, there is only one place.
Siscoe: Do you have a favorite saint or a patron saint?
Krah: Yes, I have… Maybe it is because I am thought of as quite an intellectual that I like the saints who are gifted intellectually; those who combine Faith and reason. I very much like St. Robert Bellarmine who is quite close to the ideal of a balanced intellectual, combined with a strong faith. What I am fascinated by is the historical meeting of St. Ambrose and St. Augustine. I guess there are some such handshakes in history which change the world. I consider this meeting of St. Ambrose and St. Augustine to be such an encounter. It might be a little too simplistic to say but they met and they opened a new perspective for religion, for the whole world. For me, this is a very impressive moment in history. I guess you get an idea of what types of Saints impress me. My 2nd son is named Pius because of Pius XII. I consider Pius XII in some ways comparable to St. Robert Bellarmine … there is a balance. I am very attracted to the intellectual side of the Faith. This is something I very much appreciate about my Catholic Faith.
Siscoe: Let’s discuss some of the internet rumors. Can you tell us about the company, Dello Sarto AG? What was your affiliation with that company, and the status of that company today?
Krah: Yes, the first thing to realize is that a corporation prevents liability. This is something that is widely known and is a common practice for the SSPX, especially in the US. Dello Sarto was established to receive a large inheritance, which was expected to come but never did. So now we have a completely empty corporation that we will shut down. The rumors were complete nonsense. But maybe what are important to address are the rumors concerning my power of attorney. They say I have too much power but lawyers always have a very wide power of attorney. He can only use it if the client accepts it, but formally there is always a wide power of attorney. This is absolutely business as usual, so all the rumors concerning Dello Sarto show that those who are spreading this campaign on the internet have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Siscoe: And what was your affiliation with the company. You were on the board? …
Krah: With Dello Sarto, I handled the incorporation, and I was the representative… you could say my position would be similar to a COO [Chief Operations Officer].
Siscoe: So the company was set up in anticipation of receiving a large inheritance?...
Krah: Exactly, which didn’t come. The heritage didn’t come.
Siscoe: There is another company that is mentioned as well, Laetitia AG. Can you tell us about…
Krah: This company has nothing to do with the SSPX or Dello Sarto. It is just part of my own… it is part of my attorney work, my judicial work. I have more clients than the SSPX. This is a completely unrelated client.
Siscoe: Another company name that is mentioned is Jaidhofer Foundation. Can you discuss this company?
Krah: Yes, this is linked with the SSPX, and it is absolutely no secret. There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And in every foundation you need some trustees. It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was chosen by the family who established the foundation, firstly because I am a Traditional Catholic attorney with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional record. This foundation is supporting the SSPX and using the money which was donated by this family. As an example, it is supporting the new Seminary project in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations people give to the SSPX. Everything we do is completely transparent. We are supervised both by the General House of the SSPX, and by the Austrian tax authority, because we are philanthropic, and that means we are tax free. We must always open our books to the public authorities. So we have two supervisors, so to say, and everything we do is completely transparent and clean.
Siscoe: So, the inheritance was received into the trust, to be distributed, and no other funds go into it…
Krah: Nothing.
Siscoe: Okay…
Krah: …Except, if someone would like to do it. For example, if they were to request that money be placed into the foundation. And if someone did request that, the SSPX would have to agree. That means, the donor would have to agree, and the SSPX would have to agree. But we have had no case yet in which this has happened.
Siscoe: So Sunday donations don’t go into it…
Krah: Nothing.
Siscoe: Okay…
Krah: …The Sunday donations are not our business, and I don’t want to make it our business. It is completely foreign to anything we are interested in.
Siscoe: Alright, moving on to another rumor, are you connected in any way with the Society’s School St. Theresa…
Krah: The German district started a foundation to support this boarding school in Germany, and I am on the board of the supporting foundation. But the only task we have is to collect money for the school, and that’s about it. It is important to mention that the school is now constructing a new building.
Siscoe: You say collecting funds…
Krah: …Only from the outside. Not the Sunday donations.
Siscoe: It is said that you are ‘a prominent political activist and officer in Dresden, Germany, and member of the ‘liberal, pro-abortion, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, Christian Democratic Union, led by Angela Merkel’. How would you respond to this accusation?
Krah: [chuckle] Yes, of course. I even ran for office this past summer. I ran in the primary for the national parliament. And I was quite successful too, although I lost at the end, 45 to 55 [chuckle], but this was quite okay for a newcomer challenging an incuмbent. But I disagree with the characterization. Like in every country, in Germany you have two big parties. In the US, you have the Democrats and the Republicans. In Germany, you have the Social Democrats and the Christian Democrats. The CDU [Christian Democrats], you could say is the party of the Republicans, which is center right.
Siscoe: So, the party you ran under, they would be considered the right in Germany?
Krah: Yes, they would be considered the right. And indeed, during my law studies I was employed by the then-member of parliament, Christa Reichard, who, for instance, is very strongly pro-life. And she would be very angry if she heard a rumor that she is a member of a leftist party. To make it understandable, when the unification came, the Catholics, and even the conservative Protestants, and anti-communists, joined the Christian Democrats. And even now, all positions in the State of Saxony and in the City are held by Christian Democrats, so that the mayor of the city, and the governor and all local congressman on the State and national level, are from the Christian Democrats. It is just the ruling party, and it is the party of the center right people. And as a citizen of my city, since I am not a left-winger and have never been, it is clear that the Christian Democrat is my political home.
Siscoe: So, the Christian Democrats would be comparable to the Republicans in America?
Krah: Yes generally, but in Europe the political scene is a little more left wing than in America. The left-wing Democrats in America are comparable to the Social Democrats in Germany, while the right wing Democrats and the moderate Republicans in America are comparable to the Christian Democrats in Germany.
Siscoe: So everything is a little farther to the left. The left is farther to the left, and the right is closer to the center?
Krah: Yes, exactly. And it is especially where I live and in my group, in my suburb. It is comparable to, I would say, East Coast Republicans.
Siscoe: It is said that you were charged with the responsibility of finding an attorney for Bishop Williamson in his h0Ɩ0cαųst trial, and you chose Matthias Lossmann, a member of the extreme left wing Die Grünen party [Green Party], a radical leftist party that favors everything from abortion to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. Can you comment on this?
Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case. It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. But, as a lawyer, it was clear to me that he did not violate the German law because, in the moment he made his statement, his wrong statement, he had no idea that the interview would be broadcasted in Germany. This is the whole reason why I believe he is not guilty of having violated the German law. I am not a criminal lawyer, so I had to find one for him. And in such a case I would always highly recommend to take a criminal lawyer, who was under no circuмstances linked with, in any way, pro-nαzι movements. To explain, the neo-nαzι movement in Germany is extremely small. It is maybe 1% of the population. It is absolutely small, and you usually don’t want to be linked with those persons, because they are exactly the persons you don’t want your kids to play with. And so, to make his defense as successful as possible, I highly recommended him to choose an attorney which was more to the left side so that he can focus on the legal aspects, and was completely free of any political implications in his case. I explained it to him and I introduced Lossmann to him. Lossmann is a widely accepted criminal lawyer, who publishes in research journals on criminal law. He is not as left as the rumors have presented him, because even the Greens [the Green Party], has two wings. And he is definitely not from the left wing of the party. He is, I would say, comparable to an East Coast Liberal. That means he is definitely not a Communist or anything like that. He is just a liberal citizen, interested in the fine arts, and maybe in the fine wine. I introduced both to each other. I explained the reason why I think we needed a more liberal person, than I am myself, and most of my colleagues, with whom I usually cooperate. The Bishop absolutely was fine. Lossmann was doing a great job, and then Bishop Williamson decided, without any explanation, to choose a different attorney…
Siscoe: …So when you initially presented Bishop Williamson with your recommendation, and the reasoning for your recommendation, he agreed?
Krah: I explained everything and made it transparent. And he understood and agreed.
Siscoe: And then he at some point changed attorneys?
Krah: Yes, and he changed to a completely unacceptable person, and he got a warning from the General House [of the SSPX] and changed lawyers once again. Now he has chosen, once again, a completely un-political lawyer, who by the way is the president of the Association for Pop Music. He is doing a brilliant job, just as Lossmann did. They argue exactly the same way. They don’t argue in any way politically or historically. They say “look this is the law. This is what he has done. He had no idea at the time he gave the interview that it could be broadcasted in Germany, so the case will not have a successful prosecution”. And it is the same argumentation, and the same style of defending. It is a deduction to the legal problems, and does not involve bringing the historical and political matters into the court room. And this is the only chance he has. This is what Lossmann did, and this is what Edgar Weiler is now doing. And in the middle, he had, for I guess one week, another approach, and I’m sure this other approach would have led to a catastrophe.
Siscoe: Can you explain your involvement with the Society when “the Williamson affair” first broke? What was the Society facing in Germany, and what did you do to assist the SSPX in this matter?
Krah: The interview was broadcast at the same time that the Pope lifted the so-called excommunications against the Bishops of the SSPX, including Bishop Williamson. So the headlines in Germany were “Pope rehabilitates h0Ɩ0cαųst-denier”, and the SSPX became seen as a neo-nαzι-group in the masquerade of religion. The Chancellor herself expressed her misunderstanding about the Papal decision in favor of Bishop Williamson. The German District made plenty of public declarations, expressing that Bishop Williamson is in no way speaking for the SSPX and pointing out that the SSPX has absolutely no acceptance for anti-Semitism and such wrong ideas on history. But no one believed it, because no one trusted them. Many of the Faithful, and even some priests, began to get nervous, and demanded clear action against Bishop Williamson. Some even began attending the Fraternity of Saint Peter or Motu Proprio masses.
In this serious situation, I was asked if I could help quiet things down by using my network of associates, and especially my connection into the media. Like in all countries, only a few media outlets have national impact. The Church’s correspondent scene is very small, about 10 journalists for the whole of Germany. Most of them are aligned with the Novus Ordo, which means they are incurably hostile against the SSPX. One of the rare exceptions is Peter Wensierski of Der Spiegel – The Mirror – who is really independent, which also means he is equally distant, some say equally hostile, to everybody. But as he is equal toward everyone, he was honest enough to state that the SSPX might be ultra-conservative, old-fashioned, etc., but they are certainly not nαzιs. He is tough, but he is fair. Whatever one thinks of the SSPX, they are not even close to fascism or the nαzιs. And since Der Spiegel is the “must-read” of the whole German elite, within two weeks the other media accepted the distinction of: the position of the SSPX, and the opinion of the one bishop. It could be seen in the wording of the headlines: Whilst before there was written about “these h0Ɩ0cαųst-deniers”, then it was distinguished between the “conservative group SSPX” and “the h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying Bishop Williamson”. We had just one shot, and it hit. Clearly a sign of grace. I sometimes wonder myself how we succeeded.
Siscoe: But this wasn´t the end of it.
Krah: No, it was just a step. But it brought us back on track. It gave us credibility. We then communicated that the Superior General has given Bishop Williamson one year to study the facts and ordered him to read a book on the issue, written by Jean-Claude Pressac, who himself had doubts about the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz and later changed his mind after he started to look into the facts. This gave us a one year respite, and the media stopped it´s attacks, waiting for the year to pass by. Bishop Williamson did not read the book. So when the year was over, we had to explain it. We just chose to be honest and transparent. We showed the efforts taken by the SSPX, but we also conceded that there was no influence on the Bishop, who has started to go his own way, unfortunately. In the end, we were able to successfully communicate that the SSPX in no way shared these views of Bishop Williamson.
Siscoe: How were you able to influence the media?
Krah: By plenty of behind-the-scene talks. I went to many distinguished journalists and explained to them the SSPX, its mission, its history. Most of them were completely unaware. Look, for us all of these issues are very present; we live them, and are familiar with them. But for outsiders, the SSPX is something unknown; at least it was so in 2009. For a liberal journalist, who is not practicing religion at all, the idea of saying Mass in an ancient language like Latin is somehow curious. You have to explain it to him in a way he can understand. You have to convince, instead of judge. This is what I did and what I still do. And as I am far away from every kind of political extremism, and always have been, they considered me to be trustworthy, which allowed me to influence them in favor of the SSPX. This is something I would like to point out in general; we should always take in consideration the background and the thinking of our counterparts. Most people are not hostile. They are just uninformed. Instead of judging them, we should explain our views. In most cases we will see an acceptance, and in some cases, even support.
Siscoe: If you don’t mind my asking, what impact did “the Williamson affair” have on the current developments concerning Bishop Williamson?
Krah: I am not involved in these current events. As far as I know, the 2009 affair is unrelated to the current threat of expulsion. Look, the affair of 2009 was settled with the final article in “Der Spiegel” early in 2010. Since that time, the public has distinguished between the official position of the SSPX and the private opinion of Bishop Williamson. What has happened since then is that Bishop Williamson has openly undermined authority and hierarchy, which has caused division within the SSPX. This is an internal affair, for which my advice is neither required nor requested. This is the core business of the superiors. I am used to mediate between the SSPX and different sorts of secular players: judges, journalists, politicians, state officials, bankers. But I have no share in internal affairs. Here I am an ordinary faithful like all others. And I´m happy with that.
Siscoe: There is another rumor claiming that you were fundraising for Tel Aviv University. Can you fill us in on that?
Krah: Yes, of course. I have a lot of friends, including many who are not Catholic. And I have Jєωιѕн friends, which I appreciate very much. They are wonderful people, and there is absolutely no reason for me to hide them, or to take their friendship into question. So, with that said, I have no understanding for these accusations or insinuations. They are my friends, and they can trust me as I trust them. I was in New York one evening when I received a phone call asking if I had plans for the night, which I hadn’t. But my friend had one, and we went to a reception in a gallery in Chelsea, and there were plenty of people, both Jєωιѕн and non-Jєωιѕн, from different countries, and it was hosted by the American Friends of Tel Aviv University, and of course they took pictures [chuckle], and they posted them on the internet, and this gave those people reason enough to attack me without asking me what happened. It was just a nice evening, a gathering, in New York City. I´d attend it again, even if I knew about the rumors it caused.
Siscoe: To clarify, you are not a member of The American Friends of Tel Aviv University, and you did not organize this event?
Krah: No, to both questions.
Siscoe: There is another picture online as well that has caused some controversy. It shows you attending an IDF military camp recruitment event. Can you explain?
Krah: Yes, it was not a recruitment event. One of my friends got married in the Negev Desert, and he invited friends from all over the world, including my wife and me. He generously arranged a tour, which included both the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem and a visit into a military camp, so we could have a personal impression of what the Israeli army is doing. It was, you could say, a tourist tour, on the way from Jerusalem to the Negev Desert, and included a luncheon. We were able to visit them and talk to them, in order to get a personal impression of the military. And as far as I know, it is widely common for groups that visit the State of Israel to arrange these kinds of tours. I received an e-mail from a member of the city council in Dresden, who told me that he himself had taken part in similar events. So, for me it was an interesting invitation. And as I was a German soldier for one year after High School, I enjoyed the opportunity to see how things are done in the IDF.
Maybe a word about… it is common to read things on the internet about the State of Israel. Let’s bring it back to history. In the middle ages, Christianity made several Crusades to the Holy Land for one reason: to get the holy places open so we would have access to them for Pilgrimages. We have, currently, more Pilgrimages to the Holy Land than ever in the past. We had more in 2012 than in 2011, and more in 2011 than in 2010, and in 2010 we had more than ever since. That means, the holy places are open; they get protected. They are safe, and there is money invested. And the Catholic Church gets tax benefits by the Israeli government in that country. I don’t know anybody who believes that, if this country was under Islamic rule, we would have nearly as many Pilgrims there, and free access. And even the Pilgrim groups from the SSPX Germany, that go from Jerusalem and Nazareth to Bethlehem, always stay in a hotel on the other side of the wall – the Israeli side. If you just see facts and reality, than we have to say it is hard to attack those authorities that provide open access to those holy places. This is what I say: just calm down and judge by facts. We have to see the facts as they are, and we have to see that there are plenty of people living there. They have police, everything is organized, and they do not harm the Christians there. And there is also a rising group of so-called Hebrew Catholics, who are converted Israeli Citizens. We have none of those in the Islamic countries. I only can warn all those Christians who are so opposite, or hostile against the Israeli State, what would happen if that State would disappear. We would have a lot of problems with our holy places. And what would happen to the Christians in that country if we had a change on the political landscape? And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel. The world is not perfect. It never has been. There are wars always. There is a state of imperfection. And if we see this, if we see the reality, we can say it could be much worse. And this should lead us to a more distinguished position towards the political situation in the Holy Land.
Siscoe: Another rumor is that the Society paid for your MBA program. Is there any truth to that?
Krah: Absolutely not! I paid on my own.
Siscoe: Okay…
Krah: …I paid the fees on my own, the flights on my own and the hotel on my own. The problem that lawyers usually have is that they are too nationally trained. And especially in Europe, we see the world changing and a changing economic landscape, and only national training brings us very quickly to limits, and that is why I invested into further education, and spent my savings including some help from my parents for this MBA, and enjoyed it and benefited from it very much.
Siscoe: So the Society didn’t pay for any of your education.
Krah: No.
Siscoe: Has it been difficult to deal with the rumors and accusations made against you?
Krah: It is never a pleasure to be the victim of a stalking campaign. But these attacks on me were used as an indirect attack against the Superior General and other Superiors like Fr. Rostand. In 2010, when the attacks against me began, the stalkers were still too scrupulous to attack Bishop Fellay directly. Since then, they have lost all inhibitions. And the more open they attacked the hierarchy itself, the less they focused on me – which reveals their true intention. When I see all the hate and malice against such a noble and decent prelate as Bishop Fellay, I can hardly think that those attacks against me are very serious. I try not to take myself as being too important, and so I don´t care too much about these attacks. Most people don´t take this nonsense seriously, and once people meet me and hear my side of the story they realize that the rumors are nonsense. This gives me an inner peace. And, not to forget: Faith helps, especially in such situations of unjust attacks. We shall not fear the evil, as we can be sure to win at the end.
Siscoe: Is there something you have learned thru these attacks?
Krah: I learned a lot about how people act, but also about myself. What seems to me worth mentioning is that the most serious attacks against the SSPX are coming from inside. The self-declared “truest Catholics” slander, slur, and defame in a way which is intolerable and beyond everything we see even in the secular world. Without any respect for dignity and sacrality… even the Superior General is the victim of odious attacks. The forces of darkness are no longer restricted to external weapons, but have found their instruments in some weak and unbalanced persons within. It seems to me that we are not yet fully aware of this new danger.
Siscoe: Is there anything else you would like to add before we conclude?
Krah: Yes, I´d like very much to advocate a more optimistic world view. If you read those internet sites that attack me, usually they expect the Armageddon within the next two years, if not sooner. Even if I expected the Armageddon tomorrow, I´d still plant my apple tree today. If we look at how things are happening, we can see that the Conciliar epoch will come to an end. The Conciliarists don’t have young people. Young priests today tend to classical Traditional Catholicism, and those young people who still go to Mass, are usually not the left wingers. It is just a matter of time before the Traditional liturgy and theology will get back its place. And the same for society; of course we have a lot of developments in the wrong direction, but we also have developments in the right direction. We have both at the same time, but 10 years ago, 20 years ago, things were only moving in the wrong direction. We did not have these newly conservative and Traditional movements. Today we have a new fresh conservative spirit and conservative thinking which is growing, which is becoming strong and stronger. And I just recommend to be optimistic, and to look for allies under those newly conservative movements; because together we are strong, and we can stop this left-wing chaos, and against it we might set a positive attitude and a positive development towards a rebirth of Western civilization and Christianity. So stay optimistic! What can happen to a movement that knows the Almighty is on its side? Doesn´t it shows a lack of trust in God to be always that pessimistic and depressed? And don’t believe in such rumors and stalking campaigns. There is no reason for it, and you can be sure that the Society would not trust me if just one of those accusations were even half true. Sure, I sometime err. But I am completely supervised.
Siscoe: Thank you very much for your time, and for answering these questions.
Krah: Thank you… and maybe… We both know what is likely to happen next. The Maximilian Krah stalking community will take every word I said in this interview and try to turn it in it´s opposite. Just to remember: I am not an English native speaker. English is a second language for me. But I think everyone who has a sense of fairness will be able to understand what I have tried to express. I am simply a Catholic husband and father who is trying live his Faith and to do the best he can.
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Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case. It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. But, as a lawyer, it was clear to me that he did not violate the German law because, in the moment he made his statement, his wrong statement, he had no idea that the interview would be broadcasted in Germany.
Krah, you can't think for yourself. Show us these proofs of gas chambers used for gassing Jews and other malcontents to death. In a true court of law, the "proofs" the Establishments uses would be laughed at to scorn. As for having no idea his interview would be broadcast in Germany, +Williamson already suspected so, but he wouldn't back down. He even said for the interviewer not to broadcast this in Germany.
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This is what I say: just calm down and judge by facts. We have to see the facts as they are, and we have to see that there are plenty of people living there. They have police, everything is organized, and they do not harm the Christians there. And there is also a rising group of so-called Hebrew Catholics, who are converted Israeli Citizens. We have none of those in the Islamic countries. I only can warn all those Christians who are so opposite, or hostile against the Israeli State, what would happen if that State would disappear. We would have a lot of problems with our holy places. And what would happen to the Christians in that country if we had a change on the political landscape? And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel. The world is not perfect. It never has been. There are wars always. There is a state of imperfection. And if we see this, if we see the reality, we can say it could be much worse. And this should lead us to a more distinguished position towards the political situation in the Holy Land.
Krah, you're a pro-Zionist traitor!!! There is no other thing to say! What has happened since the state of Israel was established in 1948? War after war after war, with some peace in between to seduce you and others like you who are proud of Israel being the only "democracy" in the Middle East. The reality has been far worse than you picture it! Downplaying Jєωιѕн antagonism toward Christians, you're just the perfect poster-child of the Neo SSPX!
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Krah: It is never a pleasure to be the victim of a stalking campaign. But these attacks on me were used as an indirect attack against the Superior General and other Superiors like Fr. Rostand. In 2010, when the attacks against me began, the stalkers were still too scrupulous to attack Bishop Fellay directly. Since then, they have lost all inhibitions. And the more open they attacked the hierarchy itself, the less they focused on me – which reveals their true intention. When I see all the hate and malice against such a noble and decent prelate as Bishop Fellay, I can hardly think that those attacks against me are very serious. I try not to take myself as being too important, and so I don´t care too much about these attacks. Most people don´t take this nonsense seriously, and once people meet me and hear my side of the story they realize that the rumors are nonsense. This gives me an inner peace. And, not to forget: Faith helps, especially in such situations of unjust attacks. We shall not fear the evil, as we can be sure to win at the end.
"Hate and malice"? What about the hate and malice towards +Williamson? "a noble prelate ... Bishop Fellay"? Really?! Who said a fellow bishop was like uranium? Forcing him to read a book supposedly debunking revisionist claims of no death-dealing gas chambers? Who's afraid of the Jews, as evidenced by all the removal of articles on the Jews, at least on the US SSPX website?
You may claim you're the victim of an unjust attack, but you and the SSPX leadership have attacked a great man who has sounded the alarm against the liberalization of the Archbishop Lefebvre's once great legacy.
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Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic.
Siscoe: Are you a Freemason?
Krah: No I am not a Freemason, and never have been.
Well then there ya have it, all nicely wrapped up by the Remnant. The great and wonderful krah is now cleared of any and all accusations because he says he's not a mason or a jew.
Not wasting anytime are we Menzingen? You didn't even wait for Bishop Williamson to shut the door on his way out before you 1. make it clear you are headed for Rome now that the obstacle like that pesky truthman +Williamson won't be there to stop you, and 2. you just couldn't wait to clear the good name of your bud Krah. Something you couldn't do while Bishop Williamson was still on board.
The enemies of God must be very proud of you.
:facepalm:
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Siscoe: Is there anything else you would like to add before we conclude?
Krah: Yes, I´d like very much to advocate a more optimistic world view. If you read those internet sites that attack me, usually they expect the Armageddon within the next two years, if not sooner. Even if I expected the Armageddon tomorrow, I´d still plant my apple tree today. If we look at how things are happening, we can see that the Conciliar epoch will come to an end. The Conciliarists don’t have young people. Young priests today tend to classical Traditional Catholicism, and those young people who still go to Mass, are usually not the left wingers. It is just a matter of time before the Traditional liturgy and theology will get back its place. And the same for society; of course we have a lot of developments in the wrong direction, but we also have developments in the right direction. We have both at the same time, but 10 years ago, 20 years ago, things were only moving in the wrong direction. We did not have these newly conservative and Traditional movements. Today we have a new fresh conservative spirit and conservative thinking which is growing, which is becoming strong and stronger. And I just recommend to be optimistic, and to look for allies under those newly conservative movements; because together we are strong, and we can stop this left-wing chaos, and against it we might set a positive attitude and a positive development towards a rebirth of Western civilization and Christianity. So stay optimistic! What can happen to a movement that knows the Almighty is on its side? Doesn´t it shows a lack of trust in God to be always that pessimistic and depressed? And don’t believe in such rumors and stalking campaigns. There is no reason for it, and you can be sure that the Society would not trust me if just one of those accusations were even half true. Sure, I sometime err. But I am completely supervised.
Seeing the world with rose-colored glasses, are we, Krah? Combining with the "newly conservative movements," are we now? This fits in with what Fr. Phluger mentioned in his most recent interview. How low has the SSPX fallen.
As for the "Society" not trusting you, you mean only the SSPX leadership (hopefully excluding +de Mallerais), not the lowly SSPX priests who also don't trust the current liberal SG. Not you nor anyone else has contradicted Fr. Chazal's comments about +Fellay changing his former anti-liberal stance.
"New fresh and conservative spirit"? With the world in chaos and the NSSPX almost in Rome's hands? Give me a break! You're only looking for allies already hopelessly compromised by the Revolution.
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Siscoe: There is another picture online as well that has caused some controversy. It shows you attending an IDF military camp recruitment event. Can you explain?
Krah: Yes, it was not a recruitment event. One of my friends got married in the Negev Desert, and he invited friends from all over the world, including my wife and me. He generously arranged a tour, which included both the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem and a visit into a military camp, so we could have a personal impression of what the Israeli army is doing. It was, you could say, a tourist tour, on the way from Jerusalem to the Negev Desert, and included a luncheon. We were able to visit them and talk to them, in order to get a personal impression of the military. And as far as I know, it is widely common for groups that visit the State of Israel to arrange these kinds of tours. I received an e-mail from a member of the city council in Dresden, who told me that he himself had taken part in similar events. So, for me it was an interesting invitation. And as I was a German soldier for one year after High School, I enjoyed the opportunity to see how things are done in the IDF.
Krah, why didn't you mention that your friend Oren Heiman, a Zionist fanatic, is a co-chairman of "Yesh Sikuy", a Zionist organization with the former head of Mossad, Meir Dagan?! You have such high-class connections!
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One more thing, Krah: none of us "detractors" really cares whether you are Jєωιѕн and/or Freemason. What we care about is your rabid pro-Zionist connections, and your rabid endorsement of the State of Israel, and it infecting the SSPX from within, causing the leadership to shudder "for fear of the Jews."
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And I have Jєωιѕн friends, which I appreciate very much. They are wonderful people, and there is absolutely no reason for me to hide them, or to take their friendship into question.
Krah not being a Jew is swell and dandy, but it hardly matters, because his whole interview is full of pro-Jew propoganda. What is with this junk: "Jews are people of Jesus and Mary. Jews are wonderful people. Bishop Williamson was wrong about the h0Ɩ0cαųst".
What a Zionist! He even admits in the interview that he's pro-Israel. No wonder Bishop Fellay believes that "elder brothers in the Faith" garbage Good grief. When you have a Zionist lawyer like Krah representing the SSPX, you know something's horribly wrong.
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It's typical of a bad faith defense. You accuse others of continuing to accuse you of being a Jew. In fact you are consistently pro-Zionist, pro-miniskirt, pro-Madonna, pro-Merkel.
As for "smiling" about talk of persecution, that you claim people have never experienced, then you should stop taking credit for "saving" the SSPX in Germany, acting as though it was going to be run out of Germany, and ask yourself why you were called to be an essentially hostile witness to Bishop Williamson. Why did you pick a member of the green party to be his counsel?
You have the reputation and attitudes of an East German Zionist, not a Catholic.
That Bishop Fellay would choose such a neocon for such an important position is more proof of a total betrayal of the Archbishop.
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He is, I would say, comparable to an East Coast Liberal.
What kind of clown would pick an "East Coast Liberal" to represent Bishop Williamson?
That means he is definitely not a Communist or anything like that. He is just a liberal citizen, interested in the fine arts, and maybe in the fine wine.
Since when is "not being a Communist" and "maybe" liking fine wine bona fides for being a defense lawyer for Bishop Williamson.
This is an absolutely laughable interview.
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The self-declared “truest Catholics” slander, slur, and defame in a way which is intolerable and beyond everything we see even in the secular world.
Oh really? Far beyond the blasphemies of the secular Jews and that wretched woman Madonna that you publicly admire?
You insist on far more respect for Bishop Fellay than you do for Christ.
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The self-declared “truest Catholics” slander, slur, and defame in a way which is intolerable and beyond everything we see even in the secular world.
Oh really? Far beyond the blasphemies of the secular Jews and that wretched woman Madonna that you publicly admire?
You insist on far more respect for Bishop Fellay than you do for Christ.
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The fact that his man is what he is, a pro-Zionist neocon who is obsessed with pandering to the state dedicated to the religion of Christ's crucifiers, has never been the root of the problem.
The problem has always been the perfidy of Bishop Fellay, who calls the Jews "elder brothers." Who has betrayed his fellow bishop.
That has been pointed out since the beginning.
This man is a public figure. No one posting about him and his anti-Christian preferences and views is "stalking" him.
To say something is stalking that is not stalking is to be a liar.
And the SSPX has a lot of lying people on its hands these days. Among its priests and among those attending its chapels.
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It is very odd for a supposedly Traditional Catholic to belong to the party of a woman who threatens the Pope for lifting the excommunications and that supports legal abortion. Very odd indeed.
But it is exceptionally odd for a traditional Catholic to show public admiration for those who have made indecency and blasphemy the work of their life. It is exceptionally odd for a traditional Catholic to strongly support a Zionist, anti-Christian state. And what is completely unacceptable and worthy of a life in prison, is to hire such a person to an important position if you are the nominal leader of Archbishop Lefebvre's society.
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We're dealing with people who are fundamentally not honest. They think that if someone reports on what they publicly post on the internet, that it is "stalking"
That is lying. That is dishonesty. That is how the neo-SSPX operates.
No sincere Catholic would show public admiration for flagrantly immoral films and a performer who has made a career of blasphemy.
(http://speedypic.net/di-7MU5.jpg)
It's important for Catholics to understand what Zionism and Judaism really are.
They are viciously hostile to our religion, and that is why we see subversion in the SSPX:
If Jews want respect they must respect others (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/senior-catholic-cleric-if-jews-want-respect-they-must-respect-others-1.463320?block=true)
“When I came to the country, I was told that I should know that if I walk around with a frock in the city [of Jerusalem], people would spit on me, and I shouldn’t be offended, it’s normal.”
We killed Jesus and we're proud of it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M539PgDjbas)
These people are spitting on us, spitting on our faith.
This interview by the Remnant is a journalistic disgrace.
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Bishop Fellay and this man are not so much Catholic traditionalists as much as they are trying to act like this:
Being the President's shoe polisher is a royal honor. Being the Prince's doorman is a royal privilege.
The goyinm will be fighting over which of them gets the royal honor of serving G-d's children in any capacity.
And the whole entire world will by then acknowledge Klal Yisroel are G-d's children, and everyone will want to help facilitate them serving Hashem in every possible way.
This is why Bishop Fellay calls them "elder brothers" - and this is why Mr. Krah attends fundraisers for universities in Israel, hangs out at Israeli special forces camp, etc.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=21152
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The neo-SSPX of Fellay and Krah is NOT the SSPX of the Archbishop.
. . . .most recently, the Pope has been into the ѕуηαgσgυє of the Jews in Rome. How can the Pope pray with the enemies of Jesus Christ? These Jews know and say and believe that they are the successors of the Jews that killed Jesus Christ, and they continue to fight against Jesus Christ everywhere in the world. At the end of the Pope's visit, the Jews sang a "hymn" that included the line "I believe with all my heart in the coming of the Messiah," meaning they refuse Jesus as the Messiah, and the Pope had given permission for this denial of Christ to be sung in his presence, and he listened, with head bowed!
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"Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet and has great respect for Mary, and this certainly places Islam nearer to our religion than say, for instance, Judaism, which is far more distant from us. Islam was born in the 7th century and it has benefited to some degree from the Christian teachings of those days.
Judaism, on the other hand, is the heir to the system, which crucified our Lord. And the members of this religion, who have not converted to Christ, are those who are radically opposed to our Lord Jesus Christ. For them, there is no question whatever of recognizing our Lord. They are in opposition to the very foundation and existence of the Catholic faith on this subject. However, we cannot both be right. Either Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Lord and Savior or He is not. This is one case where there cannot be the slightest compromise without destroying the very foundation of Catholic faith."
Yes, to the very EXISTENCE of our Faith!
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This quotation is attributed to the Archbishop in Bishop Tissier's biography:
Since Israel refused the true Messiah, it would give itself another messianism that is temporal and earthbound, dominating the world by money, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Revolution, and social democracy.
We must not, however, forget that those Jews who were disciples of the true Messiah founded the true Israel, the spiritual kingdom, which prepares the heavenly kingdom.
The worldwide designs of the Jews are being brought about in our time, but they started with the foundation of Masonry and the Revolution which has decapitated the Church and set up worldwide socialist democracy.
The neo-SSPX has a PRO-ZIONIST lawyer because it is NOT the SSPX of the Archbishop!
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This guy claims to admire St. Robert Bellarmine, but it's Madonna and 9 1/2 weeks that were up on his Facebook likes.
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Hopefully, Ethelred can analyse this curriculum vitae as the man on the ground in due course.
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Hopefully, Ethelred can analyse this curriculum vitae as the man on the ground in due course.
This guy is very "ecuмenical" towards Jews publicly, and has no interest in bringing others to the true Faith, on the contrary, he attempts to lead people to believe it is morally acceptable to admire notorious blasphemers like Madonna and morally iniquitous films, and support a state dedicated to protecting these pathological haters of Christians who literally spit on priests and who believe gentiles will clean their shoes when the Messiah comes. Israel funds the Yeshiva schools.
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This is an absolutely laughable interview.
It's a bit like the 'Against the Rumour' videos Fr Rostand arranged. The staged and carefully scripted interview with Max raises many more questions that need to be put to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen. The interview is pathetic.
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One recent rumor, which seems to be based on a picture that has surfaced, is that Dr. Krah is a Zionist
His own words and actions show he is a Zionist. Bishop Fellay is probably already angry because the interview has backfired. This remnant interview shows they are getting desperate. It's interesting timing given how the "discussions" are ongoing and great unease among faithful about direction of Society.
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His own words and actions show he is a Zionist.
It's a rumor that the man identifies himself with support for Israel?
It is not honest to call that a rumor. That is a fact.
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His own words and actions show he is a Zionist.
It's a rumor that the man identifies himself with support for Israel?
It is not honest to call that a rumor. That is a fact.
Indeed but the "journalist" does admit
Although I did not follow the events of “Krahgate” very closely myself
It's obvious when you read the interview. 'William of Norwich', 'Veritas1961', 'Whiterose Rebel' and others based their question on facts not rumour.
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The timing of this interview is deliberate given the expulsion of the Bishop, who has not abandoned the heritage of Archbishop Lefebvre and the ongoing discussions with Rome, which is causing great concern among priests and faithful.
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I am quoting the SSPX lawyer K from the above interview . This is what that lawyer K is saying:
“We have, currently, more Pilgrimages to the Holy Land than ever in the past. We had more in 2012 than in 2011, and more in 2011 than in 2010, and in 2010 we had more than ever since. That means, the holy places are open; they get protected. They are safe, and there is money invested. And the Catholic Church gets tax benefits by the Israeli government in that country….. And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel.”
However the following article is what is really happening in Palestine (so-called Israel):
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/attacks-on-holy-sites-escalate-in-west-bank-1.1087447
Attacks on holy sites escalate in West Bank
Palestinians criticise Western silence over attacks on Mosques and Churches
By Nasouh Nazzal, Correspondent
Published: 00:00 October 17, 2012
Ramallah: As Jєωιѕн colonists have recently escalated attacks on Christian and Muslim holy sites in the West Bank, Christian leaders have condemned Western silence over these transgressions.
The attacks, which regularly target Palestinian Muslims, seem to have spread to include Christians in the past couple of months with hateful graffiti being sprayed on church walls.
While Arab Christians in the Middle East usually get support and protection from fellow Christians in Western nations, Palestinian Christians say that Western nations are turning a blind eye to Jєωιѕн terrorism.
“Western countries fully support Israel and their colonist projects on Palestinian land,” says Dimitri Diliani, President of the National Christian Coalition in the Holy Land. “These attacks prove Jєωιѕн colonists’ intolerance against anything that is not Jєωιѕн,” he told Gulf News.
Even though Western nations are Christian nations, Diliani says that Palestinian Christians do not see any special bond with them, especially as they ignore serious human rights violations by the Israeli state[/u].
“Christian Palestinians belong to the Arab and Muslim culture and traditions, just as Christianity is integral to the Arab and Muslim culture, history and tradition,” he added. As for the attacks, Diliani says Israel does not discriminate between Christian and Muslim sites. “The non-Jew is “the other” which means all Palestinians,” he said.
Hanna Amira, who heads the Higher Presidential Committee for the Churches’ Affairs, believes that attacks on holy sites are aimed at forcing the Palestinians to abandon their land and move out of it. “The attacks on the holy sites have official and public aims including to place massive pressure on the staff of the churches and to secure the removal of Muslim and Christian Palestinians,” he said. “Israeli colonists want to send a message to the churches in the Holy Land that there will always be provocation and attacks,” he said. “The attitude of the world and the West is extremely suspicious.Western countries should review their policies to take into account the Jєωιѕн attacks against the churches."
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“Israeli colonists want to send a message to the churches in the Holy Land that there will always be provocation and attacks,”
Lawyer K is closely involved in planning the destruction of Catholic Tradition, so of course he approves the policies of the Zionist entity. The Zionist entity whose Christ hating fanatics are desecrating Christian Holy sites and spitting on the priests there. It really shouldn't surprise us, since he has publicly admired blasphemous harlots notorious for their wicked depiction of the "Catholic girl" as a public whore. (Madonna)
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Recently an Irish broadcaster called Israel a "cancer". The TV company have not received complaints.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/i-am-not-antisemitic-claims-vincent-browne-3276074.html
By Michael Brennan Deputy Political Editor
Saturday October 27 2012
TV3 broadcaster Vincent Browne insists he is not anti-Semitic after branding Israel a "cancer" in foreign affairs.
But Israel's deputy ambassador to Ireland said she never believed the day would come when an Irish TV presenter would make "racist, anti-Semitic remarks".
Mr Browne, pictured, had been complaining on his show about the lack of discussion of Israel during the last US presidential debate between Republican nominee Mitt Romney and US President Barack Obama.
"Israel is the cancer in foreign affairs. It polarises the Islamic community of the world against the rest of the world," he said.
"Unless you deal with the problem of Israel and the Palestinians in that part of the world, there's going to be conflict and disharmony. It's a massive injustice -- they stole the land from the Arabs."
Mr Browne admitted that his choice of language could have been better but insisted that the criticism was justified.
"What I resent is the suggestion that because you're critical of Israel, you're automatically anti-Semitic. I don't think that's acceptable," he said.
Mr Browne refused to apologise for his remarks, saying that Israel was founded in 1948 by taking land from the Arabs.
He said it was "blackmail" to try to brand everyone who was critical of Israel as anti-Semitic. "I don't think I differ too much from Irish or European foreign policy," he said.
But his remarks drew a strong reaction from Israel's deputy ambassador to Ireland Nurit Tinari-Modai, who said her grandparents were brutally murdered during the h0Ɩ0cαųst.
"I would have never believed that the day would come when a presenter on an Irish TV station would make racist, anti-Semitic remarks," she said.
She made her comments to the 'Jєωιѕн Chronicle' newspaper, the most widely read Jєωιѕн newspaper in Britain.
A TV3 spokeswoman said she was not aware of any complaints being made about Mr Browne's remarks.
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So far we have considered the contempt for our religion and blasphemies against God that this Zionist entity supports, and its motive for trying to spread judaizing heresy by imposing on Catholic prelates.
Of course, there is much much more to the wickedness of this diabolical anti-Christian state in worldly sphere. From its warmongering, to its spying, to its support for crime, to its terrorism.
As Pope St. Pius V said of the Jews:
The Jєωιѕн people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions."
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St. Thomas Aquinas states that blasphemy is a greater sin than murder.
Here we have as a representative for the SSPX, someone who publicly admires those notorious for blasphemy, (Madonna) who identifies himself as a strong supporter of a state which is known for its special protection to religion that is absolutely inimical to the name of Christ, whose people engage in ceaseless, remorseless blasphemies, who use the mass media to spread these blasphemies, who settle their insane Yeshiva school fanatics in proximity to Christian Holy sites, that they desecrate them, when they aren't spitting on priests.
This man is being raised to a high position, while Archbishop Lefebvre's choice for bishop is expelled for going to give confirmations and publishing the Eleison Comments. This is the most abject perfidy on the part of the Fellay cabal. Abject treachery and perfidy, in favor of the enemies of Christ, whom he has called "elder brothers."
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I am quoting the SSPX lawyer K from the above interview . This is what that lawyer K is saying:
“We have, currently, more Pilgrimages to the Holy Land than ever in the past. We had more in 2012 than in 2011, and more in 2011 than in 2010, and in 2010 we had more than ever since. That means, the holy places are open; they get protected. They are safe, and there is money invested. And the Catholic Church gets tax benefits by the Israeli government in that country….. And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel.”
However the following article is what is really happening in Palestine (so-called Israel):
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/attacks-on-holy-sites-escalate-in-west-bank-1.1087447
Attacks on holy sites escalate in West Bank
Palestinians criticise Western silence over attacks on Mosques and Churches
By Nasouh Nazzal, Correspondent
Published: 00:00 October 17, 2012
Ramallah: As Jєωιѕн colonists have recently escalated attacks on Christian and Muslim holy sites in the West Bank, Christian leaders have condemned Western silence over these transgressions.
The attacks, which regularly target Palestinian Muslims, seem to have spread to include Christians in the past couple of months with hateful graffiti being sprayed on church walls.
While Arab Christians in the Middle East usually get support and protection from fellow Christians in Western nations, Palestinian Christians say that Western nations are turning a blind eye to Jєωιѕн terrorism.
“Western countries fully support Israel and their colonist projects on Palestinian land,” says Dimitri Diliani, President of the National Christian Coalition in the Holy Land. “These attacks prove Jєωιѕн colonists’ intolerance against anything that is not Jєωιѕн,” he told Gulf News.
Even though Western nations are Christian nations, Diliani says that Palestinian Christians do not see any special bond with them, especially as they ignore serious human rights violations by the Israeli state[/u].
“Christian Palestinians belong to the Arab and Muslim culture and traditions, just as Christianity is integral to the Arab and Muslim culture, history and tradition,” he added. As for the attacks, Diliani says Israel does not discriminate between Christian and Muslim sites. “The non-Jew is “the other” which means all Palestinians,” he said.
Hanna Amira, who heads the Higher Presidential Committee for the Churches’ Affairs, believes that attacks on holy sites are aimed at forcing the Palestinians to abandon their land and move out of it. “The attacks on the holy sites have official and public aims including to place massive pressure on the staff of the churches and to secure the removal of Muslim and Christian Palestinians,” he said. “Israeli colonists want to send a message to the churches in the Holy Land that there will always be provocation and attacks,” he said. “The attitude of the world and the West is extremely suspicious.Western countries should review their policies to take into account the Jєωιѕн attacks against the churches."
Desecrated church
Graffiti sprayed on a church in Latrun in September reads “Jesus is a monkey”.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OHMwgSl4YwQ/UHoIh5sgTBI/AAAAAAAAOhE/hhDLBiTtyAo/s1600/Israeli+settlers+increase+their+attacks+on+Palestinian+Christian+sites.jpg)
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One more thing. How is it that twoof the most recent hired on clowns of the world "accidently" met on the elevator? Sounds like MM should be writing fiction.
Oh that's certainly possible.
The Remnant is a neo-trad paper that has gone over to neo-traditionalism, trying to reconcile a Council conceived in modernism with Catholic Tradition, as Father Chazal points out - DICI referenced his writings.
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One more thing. How is it that twoof the most recent hired on clowns of the world "accidently" met on the elevator? Sounds like MM should be writing fiction.
Oh that's certainly possible.
The Remnant is a neo-trad paper that has gone over to neo-traditionalism, trying to reconcile a Council conceived in modernism with Catholic Tradition, as Father Chazal points out - DICI referenced his writings.
Here is a quote about what I was talking about, I thought I heard it from Father Chazal:
"Lookit, Michael Matt:
Michael Matt is an independent observer. Michael Matt read the same
declaration that you promoted and that we read, and Michael Matt interprets
it and has written an article. And Michael Matt says, that, look, they didn't
condemn Vatican II as having errors. And it's very good that they didn't
condemn Vatican II as having errors. Because if they did that, that would
mean that the Holy Ghost wasn't in the Council, and that would be terrible.
And Fr. Coture told me, oh, no, that's an interpretation of another man.
That's not our interpretation.
Do you know what happened?
DICI.org took the English article of Michael Matt, written in an English
article of the Remnant, [I think it was the July 2012 Remnant] translated
it into French, and put it on the website of DICI.org, where it is right now,
the official organ of the SSPX, as a good take on the meaning of the
declaration of July 14th, 2012 -- which gives it the endorsement of the
SSPX as a correct interpretation of the docuмent.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20961
Consider the source of this apologia "interview" with Herr K. The Remnant is on board with neo-traditionalism.
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Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic. That’s it. About these accusations of being Jєωιѕн, I´d like to tell a story about when Charles Chaplin came to Germany in the early 1930’s. A lot of people from Berlin came to see him, and Hitler was jealous. The nαzι newspapers wrote an article criticizing and shaming so many Germans for applauding a Jew. When Chaplin came back to Hollywood, he was asked why he had not declared that he is not Jєωιѕн. His answer was: if I would have denied it officially, I would have felt as if I was agreeing that there was something bad about being Jєωιѕн. Given the mentality of the people at the time, he said it would have only contributed to the work of the nαzι’s, and this is why he didn’t say “I am not Jєωιѕн”. I had a quite similar reaction when I first read these accusations about myself. I sent an email to a US priest of the SSPX and asked him what I should do, and he advised me to keep silent because there is definitely nothing bad about being of the same people as Jesus and Mary. Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. That said, I do not think there is anything bad about people having Jєωιѕн roots. I simply do not have it.
I recall 'Veritas1961' asking Fr Laisney
8. You write:“Mr Krah is not a Jew, though he may have some Jєωιѕн friends, which is not uncommon in the legal world.” What is the basis of your statement that Mr Krah is not a Jew? Mr Krah in a statement posted on December 28 2010, at 02:12 PM on Ignis Ardens made a number of statements, but at no point did he deny that he was a Jew? He only asserted that he was a Catholic. Well, Cardinal Lustiger called himself a Catholic, did he not, but he equally asserted that he was a Jew? Given that this was one of the more astonishing statements made by “William of Norwich” does it not strike you as significant that Mr Krah did not make plain his – according to you – non-Jєωιѕн status? It could hardly be construed as the oversight of a very minor detail can it? Moreover, while you assert that Mr Krah is not a Jew, you give no evidence, circuмstantial or otherwise, to support this assertion. You cannot say that he denied it, because in his one and only public statement he has not done so. Nor can you retort that “William of Norwich” is in the same boat as you: making an assertion without any kind of evidence. “William of Norwich” gave the following link by way of support: Link: American Friends of Tel Aviv University
http://www.aftau.org/site/PageServer?pagen...0_AlumniAuction If you would care to look carefully at all of the photographs available at this link, you will see that every person has been named. I do not believe that one has to be an expert in family names to recognise that they are all Jєωιѕн, at a Jєωιѕн event, in the city with the highest Jєωιѕн population in the world (Israel notwithstanding), and supporting the work of an Israeli university that is dominated by the Israeli security forces which have a long history of anti-Catholic and anti-Christian activity of the most murderous kind. Is it really credible, in the absence of a forthright denial by Mr Krah of being Jєωιѕн, to believe, as you clearly believe, that he was the only NON-JEW present?
Also asked of Fr Laisney was this.The reply from Fr Laisney raised many fresh questions.
10. In your letter you comment: “Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry.” My dear Father Laisney, this one sentence alone leads to several questions and which, at the same time, raises questions about your actual knowledge and intimacy with the whole affair. Let me explain. Mr Krah’s involvement with the CDU was NOT limited to seeking a donation for the convent of St. Marienthal. If you went to the link given by “William of Norwich” concerning Mr Krah and his actual relations with the CDU, you would see that according to the “Journal of the Dresdener Union” (the July/August 2005 number) Mr Krah was elected the Pressesprecher, Press Officer, for Dresden’s CDU governing committee in June 2005 with 81.66% of the branch’s membership. Moreover, the May 2006 number of the same “Journal” reveals that he had by then become a member of the editorial board of the “Journal.” Mr Krah’s involvement with politics does not concern me greatly beyond the fact that the CDU is neither Christian in any sense worthy of the name, nor is it democratic in any profound sense. But it is clearly anti-Catholic when it wishes to be, as the occasion when Angela Merkel publicly rebuked the Pope about the so-called “rehabilitation” of Mgr Williamson demonstrates – a public scandal about which the SSPX has said little or nothing, made all the more worrying given the cant of the CDU about the “benefits” of the separation of Church and State. I would invite you to check these details for yourself, but since “William of Norwich” posted the CDU/Krah link it has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. However, one brave Catholic soul had the foresight to save the two files about the CDU cited, and they will be posted to”The Complete Krahgate File” in the near future so that you and others may see the facts for yourself.
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William of Norwich made it very clear.
“There is no malice meant or intended in this communication. There is quite simply a tremendous fear for the future of the SSPX and its direction.”
Veritas1961 expanded on this point by stating.
Respectful questioning of authority, based upon public docuмentation of unquestionable authenticity and transparency, does not in Catholic moral teaching amount to “calumny.” So: please substantiate by proofs, by examples, not assertions, that these docuмents posted by faithful members of Catholic Tradition contained calumnies.
Veritas1961 concluded
My dear Father Laisney, I suspect that while you may believe what you have written in this letter, you are acting upon the basis of third hand information. If it was designed to bring serenity to Catholic souls it failed completely. The information and related questions outlined in this email prove, I believe, that there is much still to be unmasked in the Krahgate Affair in the quest for the truth, a truth that the praying, obeying and paying faithful have an absolute right to receive.
I reiterate what I said at the outset. There is no intention to accuse you of anything improper or immoral. Indeed your entry into the picture with your letter was a surprise to everybody since you had never been mentioned in connection with Krahgate. What I would exhort you to do is to furnish the faithful with answers to the above queries, and to the best of your knowledge and ability. Failing that, perhaps you could ask the SSPX leadership to answer these and other questions in order to bring a peaceful end to what is, quite frankly, one of the most disturbing episodes in the life of Society in decades.
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"Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. "
Supposing this is true, which I doubt, one has to consider the irony of Benedict XVI sitting passively in front of a Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυє congregation as they sing the hymns of their Christ denying religion.
I´d like to tell a story about when Charles Chaplin came to Germany in the early 1930’s.
Let's make something perfectly clear, there was plenty of reason to suspect Chaplin was Jєωιѕн:
According to the files which were made public recently, the U.S. believed Chaplin may have been a Russian Jew and that his real name was Israel Thornstein.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/02/17/was-charlie-chaplin-Jєωιѕн/
Even the man himself seemed to have wondered about it:
In 1948 the US Navy investigated Chaplin on suspicion of Zionist activity: shipping guns to Palestine, as well as around 36 tanks. But it was the FBI under Hoover that became Chaplin’s greatest political and legal enemy. Chaplin’s FBI file is a comprehensive laboratory for identity construction that began in 1922 and remained open until after his death. The file chronicles Chaplin’s downfall, the suspicion of Communist activities, the Mann Act trial for transporting unmarried women across state lines for deviant purposes, and further rumours and innuendo that led to his expulsion from America in 1952. Chaplin is continually described as ‘of Jєωιѕн extraction,’ given the name of ‘Thonstein’ as an alias (though there is no proof that Chaplin ever used this name himself), and assigned attributes such as ‘Jєωιѕн accent,’ ‘talks with hands,’ and Russian birth.
Crucially, it was not Jєωιѕнness that alarmed Hoover but ambiguity. According to Omer Bartov in his compelling work The Jew in Cinema, Jєωιѕн characters are often portrayed as slippery and protean, possessing an insidious ability to obscure their Jєωιѕнness and blend in. The emancipation of the Jews from the ghettos of Europe at the turn of the last century had left them free to shave and dress in modern clothing, making them impossible to detect. This new found ambiguity of Jєωιѕн identity made them, in many gentile eyes, the most dangerous minority in civilised society. Ambiguity was the dominant paranoia of Cold-War America, which felt itself threatened by the enemy within—the Communists, Jews and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who were so hard to detect. The insistence on Chaplin’s Jєωιѕнness helped reinforce the notion of an ‘authentic American’ by establishing firm conceptual borders through identity construction and categorisation.
Not only did both Jєωιѕн and gentile audiences see him as a Jew, but Chaplin himself very nearly became convinced of his own Jєωιѕнness. While he did not officially doubt his mother’s version of his parentage, in which her legal husband, Charles Chaplin, Sr., a non-Jєωιѕн pop singer, was his biological father, there were times when he clearly wondered if the questions surrounding his lineage were true, and if they were more scandalous than imagined. His step-brother Sydney had a Jєωιѕн father and the world’s insistence on Chaplin’s Jєωιѕн origins prompted him and many others to wonder whether their birth stories had in fact been reversed.
‘All geniuses,’ Chaplin was heard to remark,‘have some Jєωιѕн blood in them.’ Flattered by the widely held misconception about his Jєωιѕн identity, his understanding of Jєωιѕнness was simplistic and stereotypical: Jews were blessed
with superior intellect and financial acuмen than non-Jews. Further, he believed that his physical attributes compounded the myth: he was short with curly black hair, ‘Oriental facial features’, and a prominent nose. In footage taken
of famed British comedian Harry Lauder’s visit to Chaplin Studios, Lauder draws Chaplin on a chalkboard. Chaplin makes great show of stopping him, pantomimes ‘too Jєωιѕн,’ and re-draws the nose. Quite how to interpret this is unclear, but Chaplin either believed himself to be Jєωιѕн or was making fun of those who did. In the absence of confirmed roots, Chaplin may have sought to align himself with a group that, although outsiders in mainstream society, seemed to him possessed of an ancient and mystical national bond. When the great cantor Yossele Rosenblatt visited Chaplin’s studios, Chaplin told him that he owned all of the cantor’s recordings and that ‘Whenever I feel a little blue, I take them out and play them. They do something to me. They unite me, oh so closely, with my Jєωιѕн ancestors.’
http://Jєωιѕнquarterly.org/2010/11/charlie-chaplin-Jєωιѕн-or-goyish/
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Once again Menzingen turns to the indulters to defend it. Something about this is off. This was eerily similar to the DICI propaganda interviews.
Folks, find out who this Siscoe fellow is, and his connection to the SSPX, and the rest will become clear.
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It's funny Siscoe refers to this as a 'rumor'
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-1031-siscoe-krah-interview.htm
Alright, moving on to another rumor, are you connected in any way with the Society’s School St. Theresa
http://www.theresiengymnasium.de/ueber-uns/satzung.html
§ 7
Gründungsvorstände
Die Stifter benennen als Mitglieder des ersten Vorstandes (Gründungsvorstände):
a) P. Peter Lang als Vorsitzender
b) Herr StB Heinrich Riegel
c) Herr RA Maximilian Krah
The question remains of what the man with the interest in Madonna and listed an 'erotic' film on his Facebook is doing involved in this school.
Many faithful have raised concerns. On his Facebook, he did list lingerie and whips on a 'like' page.He listed 'Agent Provocateur' as an interest.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=15187&f=4&min=110&num=10
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"The sexiest website in the world", Vogue.
Company Overview The world famous luxury lingerie brand has stores across the fashion centres of the world, including in London, New York, Vancouver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Paris, Vienna, Berlin and more. The first shop was opened on London's Broadwick Street in the Soho district in 1994.
Mission Agent Provocateur believes that passion and intimacy should be indulged, and that exploring your inner desires and fantasies profoundly enriches your life.
Agent Provocateur lingerie is an opulent range of inspirational creations, designed to intensify life’s pleasures and unlock your innermost desires. Our elegant ranges, designed with both the boardroom and the boudoir in mind, ensure that women can be sexy and professional as the mood takes them.
Products Designer lingerie - Bras - Knickers - Suspender belts - Corsetry - Bodysuits - Nightwear - Hosiery - Garters - Bridal lingerie - Swimwear - Perfume - Beauty products - Massage oil - Pasties - Whips - Gloves -"
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On the first evening of the event, while on my way to cocktail hour, I struck up a conversation with a man in the elevator. We continued our conversation as we made our way to the Pavilion, which was set up on the water behind the hotel, for the Conference attendees. The gentleman and I continued our discussion as we proceeded to the bar for a glass of wine. At some point, we realized that we had not formally introduced ourselves. It was then that I learned the identity of the man I was speaking with, and it was none other than Maximilian Krah himself! As he stated his now famous, or should we say infamous name, one could almost hear the screeching noise from the Psycho shower scene sounding in the background.
I spent the remainder of the evening, and indeed the entire weekend, getting to know Dr. Krah.
What a coincidence, a Remnant reporter, the paper that's newly become the mouthpiece of the Neo-SSPX, "runs" into Max Krah, and gives him an "interview'. Sounds more like an infomercial. Sorry, I don't buy the whole thing. It's a total setup. Transparency? Not!
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It's a total setup.
Of course it is.
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Krah looks effeminate, but, has anyone talked with him? Does he sound effeminate? This Madonna , 9 1/2 weeks, and whips, and such does not sound masculine at all.
"Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck"?
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Also among his interests, he listed "DesignerHeels".Since removed.Disclaimer. Photograph for information purpose only. I'm not suggesting Herr Krah wears designer heels but he did 'like' this Facebook page.
Activities and Interests
Other Columbia University, Thomas de Maizière, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Angela Merkel, London Business School, KDStV Chursachsen, 116. Mittelschule Dresden, Kreuzgymnasium, Columbia University, Columbia Business School Executive MBA Program, LinkedIn, Mittelstandsvereinigung der CDU Dresden, CDU Dresden, Hotel Sacher, Josef Ackermann, Agent Provocateur, Joachim Gauck, Exzellenz für Dresden, Junge Union Dresden, Junge Union Sachsen & Niederschlesien, Lufthansa, Lufthansa Senator Status, The Oratory of S Philip Neri in London (Brompton Oratory), Pushkin Cafe, Russian Ministry for Economic Development, Sankt Petersburg, Moscow, Patrick Schreiber, GUT JAIDHOF, DesignerHeels, vorne-sitzen.de, Ipad 2, Boris Johnson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, EINSTEIN KAFFEE Dresden, Bobby Jindal, Friedrich Merz, Columbia Business School, Russian Standard Deutschland, gerne-katholisch.de, EB&Flow, CDU Dresden - Ortsverband Zschachwitz, CallaJet.de (Privatjet Charter Broker), German Embassy Washington, CDU-Fraktion Sachsen, Bishop Bernard Fellay, Henryk M. Broder, The Economist, Support German Troops, Donald Rumsfeld, Dmitri Shostakovich, Wir wollen Guttenberg zurück, DER SPIEGEL, Nicolas Sarkozy, Royal Opera House, Semperoper, FÜR Stuttgart 21, Benedikt XVI, Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung, SPAM, CDU Hamburg, EMBA Global Asia 2012and 47 more
http://www.facebook.com/designerheels
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It's disgusting they would expel the Bishop and keep in their service this Krah. Siscoe might be slower to dismiss facts as 'rumor' in the future.
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Recall that it was the Remnant that complimented the "Papal Masterstroke" of revising the Mass according to the dictates of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan:
http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2008-a_papal_masterstroke.htm
Siscoe: It is said that you were charged with the responsibility of finding an attorney for Bishop Williamson in his h0Ɩ0cαųst trial, and you chose Matthias Lossmann, a member of the extreme left wing Die Grünen party [Green Party], a radical leftist party that favors everything from abortion to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. Can you comment on this?
Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case. It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. ...
Oh, puh-leez!
The blind like Krah and Bp. Fellay lead us into the novus-SSPX pit of accommodation to "Jєωιѕн fables" (Titus 1:14).
A small representative sample of the evidence against Krah/Fellay Shoah Theology:
(1) One and only one "gas chamber" built by the Soviets AFTER the war with a window in a wooden door and no safe [for the alleged executioners] means to introduce or remove highly toxic cyanide gas and a complete absence of cyandie residue or discoloration in the supposed "gas chambers."
(2) Contemporary International Red Cross records docuмenting at most 300,000 Judaic internees (records that are now under Judaic lock and key).
(3) No "6 million" corpses and no crematoria capacity for "6 million."
(4) Absurd claims of "6 million" Judaic "victims" since the NINETEENTH century.
(5) "Eyewitness" absurdities like "geysers of blood erupting from the ground," different colored crematoria smoke for different nationalities, "it's not true, but in my imagination it was true," "incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true," faked photographs, etc.
Siscoe: There is another picture online as well that has caused some controversy. It shows you attending an IDF military camp recruitment event. Can you explain?
Krah: Yes, it was not a recruitment event. One of my friends got married in the Negev Desert, and he invited friends from all over the world, including my wife and me. He generously arranged a tour, which included both the Via Dolorosa in Jerusalem and a visit into a military camp, so we could have a personal impression of what the Israeli army is doing. It was, you could say, a tourist tour, on the way from Jerusalem to the Negev Desert, and included a luncheon. We were able to visit them and talk to them, in order to get a personal impression of the military. And as far as I know, it is widely common for groups that visit the State of Israel to arrange these kinds of tours. I received an e-mail from a member of the city council in Dresden, who told me that he himself had taken part in similar events. So, for me it was an interesting invitation. And as I was a German soldier for one year after High School, I enjoyed the opportunity to see how things are done in the IDF.
It is not merely "another," but several photographs, the most damning of which shows this supposed Catholic flashing a "V for Victory" to and wearing the beret of the Maglan Special Forces of genocidal "Operation Cast Lead" infamy.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-38AAo_ndoFk/T9kS3S2j6uI/AAAAAAAAAmM/tNBDnk7J4MQ/s1600/Krah_Magalan6.JPG)
Bp. Fellay has been dissembling, passing off the Zionist fundraising and photographic evidence of Zionist support as "wedding party fun."
Israel. Let’s bring it back to history. In the middle ages, Christianity made several Crusades to the Holy Land for one reason: to get the holy places open so we would have access to them for Pilgrimages. We have, currently, more Pilgrimages to the Holy Land than ever in the past. We had more in 2012 than in 2011, and more in 2011 than in 2010, and in 2010 we had more than ever since. That means, the holy places are open; they get protected. They are safe, and there is money invested. And the Catholic Church gets tax benefits by the Israeli government in that country. I don’t know anybody who believes that, if this country was under Islamic rule, we would have nearly as many Pilgrims there, and free access. And even the Pilgrim groups from the SSPX Germany, that go from Jerusalem and Nazareth to Bethlehem, always stay in a hotel on the other side of the wall – the Israeli side. If you just see facts and reality, than we have to say it is hard to attack those authorities that provide open access to those holy places. This is what I say: just calm down and judge by facts. We have to see the facts as they are, and we have to see that there are plenty of people living there. They have police, everything is organized, and they do not harm the Christians there. And there is also a rising group of so-called Hebrew Catholics, who are converted Israeli Citizens. We have none of those in the Islamic countries. I only can warn all those Christians who are so opposite, or hostile against the Israeli State, what would happen if that State would disappear. We would have a lot of problems with our holy places. And what would happen to the Christians in that country if we had a change on the political landscape? And so I have absolutely no problem to say that I have a positive attitude towards the state of Israel. The world is not perfect. It never has been. There are wars always. There is a state of imperfection. And if we see this, if we see the reality, we can say it could be much worse. And this should lead us to a more distinguished position towards the political situation in the Holy Land.
What Zionist rubbish!
It is not only Muslim but CATHOLIC Palestinians, men, women, and children who have been murdered, dispossessed, and tortured by the self-chosen Master Race "friends" that Krah supports. If the "adversaries to all men" are so benign, why did GOD HIMSELF warn us about them and their proselytes nearly 100 times in the Holy Bible?
Note especially how the Blessed Mother and Catholics fare in this small and representative sample of the benignity of Krah's ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian "friends":
July 2, 1946: The Bombing of the King David Hotel masterminded by Menachem Begin, 91 dead
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece
April 9, 1948: Irgun and Stern Gang massacre 260 Arab civilians in Deir Yassin http://www.deiryassin.org
Sept 17, 1948: Yitzhak Shamir's Stern Gang αssαssιnαtҽ Swedish peace mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte
October 14-15, 1953: Ariel Sharon commands attack on Qibya, 42 homes destroyed, 60 civilians killed
Holy Week 1954 Israelis desecrate Christian cemeteries in Haifa
July 14, 1954: Israeli Army intelligence, Modin, firebombs civilian post office in Egypt
1956 terrorist atrocity in Kafr Qasim, 47 cold-blooded murders
1966, village of Sammu attacked, 18 dead, 100 wounded
1967 USS Liberty attacked 34 sailors dead, 170 wounded -- not civilians, but non-participants
June 5, 1967, "In danger of being attacked" Israel launches war, 759 Israelis and 15,000 Arabs dead
1969 Israeli bombing of school Bahdr al Baker, 75 children dead, 100 wounded
March 1, 1970, Israel invades Lebanon, civilian death toll unknown
Sept 8, 1972 Israeli bombing of Syrian and Lebanese civilians, "hundreds dead"
1974: Israeli terrorists attack civilian aircraft; desecrate Christian shrines including Church of the Holy Sepulcher, stealing the diamond crown of the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary
March 31, 1975 Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons by Chris McGreal, The Guardian, 5/24/2010
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
Declassified: Israeli Government Offered to Sell Nuclear Weapons to South Africa
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/05/declassified-israeli-government-offered.html
Zionist nuclear hypocrites are seeking sanctions and war against Iran, a nation that complies with the nuclear regulation
1975-1980: numerous Mossad assassinations of Palestinian scientists, journalists, and others
August 1982: 20,000 civilians dead from Israeli bombing of Beirut on the orders of Ariel Sharon
September 1982 massacres of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, 800 women, children, and elderly killed
October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed houses, cars, and offices of three elected mayors of the West Bank cities, Nablus, Ramallah, and Al Beireh
1984 kidnapping of Palestinians on the high seas off merchant vessels
1986 Palestinian cartoonist, Naj Al Ali, αssαssιnαtҽd
April 1988 Israeli commandos invade the home of Khalil Al Wazir, a Palestinian leader, and shoot him in bed
February-March 1989 Israeli jets bomb Beka Valley, 15 children killed, more adults
April 14, 1989 Israeli police and armed Jєωιѕн settlers attack disarmed Palestinian village, Nahalin, 8 killed, 50 wounded
February 25, 1994 Kach Party terrorist Baruch Goldstein uses assault rifle to murder 39 Palestinians worshipping at Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in Hebron, rabbis praise his actions and then Prime Minister Yitshak Rabin gives permission for a memorial to honor Goldstein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/25/newsid_4167000/4167929.stm
Here's a picture of the shrine to the mass murderer:
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid=%7BC55FC619-14B1-486B-9B52-28E7B6545F0E%7D
February 27, 1994 Israeli Mossad bombs Our Lady of Deliverance Maronite Catholic Church at Jounieh, Lebanon, 11 killed.
1996 Israeli massacre of civilians at Qana, Lebanon
April 14, 2000, homes of civilians bulldozed (actions admitted by Ha'aretz and praised by the canonized "h0Ɩ0cαųst survivor" Elie Wiesel)
Dec. 10, 2001. “Palestinian activist Muhammad Sidir, 24, had his face maimed and burned and his eyes blinded by a U.S. made Israeli helicopter firing missiles in a crowded intersection during an assassination attempt on Sidir. Two Palestinian children died in the attacks and two other children were injured. Israeli helicopter gunships hovered over the carnage for five minutes, preventing immediate medical attention from being administered to the wounded and dying.” http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine7.html
December 17, 2001 Israeli troops murder Palestinian activist Yacoub Aidkadik
January 14, 2002 assassination of Palestinian resistance leader Raed al-Karmi
January 24, 2002 assassination of Elie Hobeika who was preparing to testify at a war crimes trial in Belgium against his former ally Ariel Sharon regarding Sharon’s masterminding of the Sabra and Chatila massacres
March 6-16, 2002. 200 Palestinian civilians slaughtered in Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza ghetto
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine51.html
March 30, 2002, 5 Palestinian bank guards summarily executed in Ramallah
April 8, 2002 et seq., bombardment of the Church of the Nativity, Bethlehem, the only major church in the Holy Land that had survived intact from the early Christian period
April 9, 2002 (ironically on Yom Has Shoa, "h0Ɩ0cαųst Remembrance Day"): Israeli massacre of 52 Palestinian civilians in Jenin
May 20, 2002 Mossad car bombing of Mohammed Jibril, Palestinian leader
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine7.html
March 16, 2003 Rachel Corrie, 23, was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in Rafah, Gaza, as she protested against house demolitions
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/1583823_comment.php
April 11, 2003 Tom Hurndall, 21, from London shot in the head by an Israeli soldier as he tried to help a Palestinian woman and her children. http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article1358.shtml
November 24, 2004 “Captain R” murdered a 13-year old Palestinian girl, Iman Alhamas, by pulverising her little body with some 20 bullets as she lay on the ground. ‘We should kill even three year old children, too, he said to his soldiers.’ A military court actually gave him some $20,000 as an encouragement bonus, and he was promoted to the rank of major. He enjoyed coming back to Gaza, he told Maariv newspaper.
http://www.counterpunch.org/harel11272004.html
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Imam-al-Hamas24nov04.htm
“Two thirds of the 621 children (two thirds under 15 years) killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest—the sniper’s wound. Clearly, soldiers are routinely authorised to shoot to kill children in situations of minimal or no threat…” British Medical Journal, Palestine: the assault on health and other war crimes
Summerfield BMJ.2004; 329: 924
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7471/924?ijkey=c7b88fe81cf2cba4710713e3fed9e54a3c506f68&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha&eaf
March 23, 2005 Israel's Sex Trade Escalating by Kevin Hechtkopf, CBS News, Jerusalem
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/world/main682673.shtml
August 4, 2005 timed precisely to interfere with Gaza withdrawal, an Israeli Army “deserter” (or operative?) and Kach Party member Eden Natan-Zada, using an assault rifle, attacked a bus killing 4, wounding 12 Palestinians http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050804-110426-6510r.htm
July-August 2006 Israelis bomb Lebanon for 33 days, preliminary death toll 1,300; Lebanon’s infrastructure destroyed, termed “bombed into the stone age.” http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1219684.ece
The photographic evidence:
http://portail.islamboutique.fr/forum/forum2.php
November 18, 2006 Swedish human rights worker beaten, 5 Palestinians (including a 3-year-old child) beaten and stoned while the assailants chanted, “We killed Jesus and we’ll kill you too!” http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/11/18/hebron-day-06/
February 6, 2007 Foul mouthed drunken тαℓмυdist harasses Palestinians on their land, “You and your f@#king Jesus can kiss my a$%....We killed Jesus and we’re proud of it...” http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
2005-2007 Israelis kill 1,290, including 222 children in Gaza
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-israelis-brought-gaza-to-brink-of.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJaPZLNLBu8
2007 Amnesty International Report "Increased violence between Israelis and Palestinians resulted in a threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by Israeli forces. The number of Israelis killed by Palestinian armed groups diminished by half. More than 650 Palestinians, including some 120 children, and 27 Israelis were killed. Israeli forces carried out air and artillery bombardments in the Gaza Strip, and Israel continued to expand illegal settlements and to build a 700-km fence/wall on Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories. Military blockades and increased restrictions imposed by Israel on the movement of Palestinians and the confiscation by Israel of Palestinian customs duties caused a significant deterioration in living conditions for Palestinian inhabitants in the Occupied Territories, with poverty, food aid dependency, health problems and unemployment reaching crisis levels. Israeli soldiers and settlers committed serious human rights abuses, including unlawful killings, against Palestinians, mostly with impunity. Thousands of Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces throughout the Occupied Territories on suspicion of security offences and hundreds were held in administrative detention. Israeli conscientious objectors continued to be imprisoned for refusing to serve in the army. In a 34-day war against Hizbullah in Lebanon in July-August, Israeli forces committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes. Israeli bombardments killed nearly 1,200 people, and destroyed or damaged tens of thousands of homes and other civilian infrastructure. Israeli forces also littered south Lebanon with around a million unexploded cluster bombs which continued to kill and maim civilians after the conflict.” http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Middle-East-and-North-Africa/Israel-and-the-Occupied-Territories
May 30, 2007 Former Sephardi Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu announces “absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians.” His son, Chief Rabbi of Safed Schmuel Eliyahu added, "If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," said Shmuel Eliyahu. "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
June 1, 2007 "Israeli troops shot and killed two 13-year-old Palestinians [Ahmed Abu Zbeida and Zaher al-Majdalawi] near the Gaza-Israel border fence Friday, saying they were crawling toward the barrier in a ``suspicious manner.'' The boys had told their families they were going to the beach. (Guardian, June 1, 2007)"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6677257,00.html
July 5, 2007 Slouching Towards a Palestinian h0Ɩ0cαųst by Richard Falk
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13226
November 2007 The International Committee of the Red Cross issues a report on Israel’s inhuman treatment of Palestinians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_12_07palestineicrc.pdf
January 20, 2008 Israelis admit to assassinations
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/946320.html
March 20, 2008 16 year old son of Protestant pastor injured by bomb in a Purim gift basket http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1205420741251&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
May 20, 2008 Orthodox Jєωιѕн youths burn New Testaments http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985362.html
June 5, 2008 (the evening of “h0Ɩ0cαųst Remembrance Day) two teenagers stabbed and beaten by dozens of Israelis. Perpetrators released. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/988477.html
June 6, 2008 Four Israelis beat elderly couple with baseball bats, captured on video.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7451691.stm
August 2008 Israelis train, instigate, and assist Georgia in attacking South Ossetia
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2867.htm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1013100.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=66203§ionid=351020202
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1011867.html
See also: Matthew Raphael Johnson, “Israel, Oil and Death: The War for Ossetia,” Culture Wars, October 2008, 6-11 & 25.
October 2008 Israelis terrorize Palestinian olive harvesters, including beating 65-year-old man.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_securing_the_harvest;_ylt=AgJfZuqLkmPSHM7I23SpY2hvaA8F
December 2008 Israelis use white phosphorus against civilians in Gaza.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5447590.ece
December 31, 2008 – January 4, 2009 Israeli attacks on civilians:
http://portail.islamboutique.fr/gaza2008/
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/12/29/gaza-massacre-slideshow/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAzns3cvf8A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQYIb4wMg4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b8wK-6U6zg&feature=related
Among the dead are civilians gunned down while fleeing their homes under orders from the IDF, and clutching little white flags:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/13/israeli-troops-ordered-to-shoot-rather-than-ask-questions/
December 31, 2008 – January 4, 2009 Physicians for Human Rights reports numerous Israeli attacks on medical personnel:
http://www.phr.org.il/phr/article.asp?articleid=667&catid=55&pcat=-1&lang=ENG
January 5, 2009 Israelis attack a United Nations school, 43 dead. UNRWA chief John Ging emphasized that the school was a purely civilian target: “I can tell you categorically that there was no militant activity in that school at the time of that tragedy … We have established beyond any doubt that the school was not being used by any militants.”
http://maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=34705
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/01/israeli-alibi-for-school-attack-lie-you.html
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7ej-h6_CQJM
January 7, 2009 Israeli “Defense” Force targets ambulances and medical teams.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652515,00.html
January 8, 2009 International Red Cross accused Israel of violating international law after witnessing “shocking” scenes in which aid workers found four children, too weak to stand, lying next to their dead mothers in a house containing at least 12 corpses:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/07/gaza.red.cross/
January 8, 2009 Amnesty International has accused Israel, as well as Hamas, of using civilians as human shields:
http://amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/gaza-civilians-endangered-military-tactics-both-sides-20090108
January 8, 2009 Eyewitnesses report, the Israeli “Defense” Force ordered 100 members of an extended family to gather in a single house, then repeatedly shelled that house, killing 60-70 people, and then prevented ambulances and aid workers from attending to the injured by shooting at them and refusing to coordinate safe passage.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4162193/Gaza-medics-describe-horror-of-strike-which-killed-70.html
April 27, 2009 Jєωιѕн Financial Aggression, Worldwide Economic Nakba
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2009/04/Jєωιѕн-financial-aggression-worldwide.html
http://tinyurl.com/cha6ug
June 11, 2009 The Zionist Gang that Bankrupted General Motors by Christopher Bollyn
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/fester/zionist-gang-bankrupted-general-motors
July 29, 2009 “Far-rightists urge IDF draftees to cover up abuse of Palestinians” by Anshel Pfeffer, Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1103692.html
August 1, 2009 The Culture of Deceit by Edmund Connelly
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-Deceit.html
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Connelly-DeceitII.html
August 19, 2009 “Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for their organs” Morten Berthelsen and Barack Ravid, Haaretz - Israel News
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1108384.html
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/topstories/The-Kosher-Nostra-is-trapped.5493135.jp
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir08282009.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/the-idf-israels-organ-grinder/
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Body_Snatchers.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXl3tSYPhuU&feature=email
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/07/fbi-arrested-rabbi-levy-izhak-rosenbaum-kidney-trafficker-and-major-figure-in-a-global-human-organ-ring/
http://mg.co.za/article/2010-11-12-netcare-coughs-up
http://tinyurl.com/y9lnhy2
http://tinyurl.com/ya5eodu
September 11, 2009 Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv publishes The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews by Roi Sharon
An English translation is here:
http://didiremez.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/
http://tinyurl.com/ykv9a67
September 25, 2009 The Goldstone Report
http://tinyurl.com/ydbgh7k
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
November 2, 2009 Settlements are fertile ground for Jєωιѕн terror by Gideon Levy, Haaretz Correspondent. “…[serial killer Yaakov “Jack” ] Teitel had an organized, all-embracing worldview: Death to Arabs, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, Christians, leftists, and Messianic Jews….”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125294.html
November 24, 2009 Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro publishes book funded by the Israeli government endorsing the killing of children and infants
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126890.html
http://tinyurl.com/ye8bghn
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128767.html
http://tinyurl.com/ybtahd9
December 12, 2009 “Death to Christians”: Hebrew graffiti next to Upper Room in Jerusalem
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17106&size=A
http://tinyurl.com/yjj7stb
December 14, 2009 Russian cathedral in Jerusalem vandalized
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=6737
http://tinyurl.com/yzm4ers
December 16, 2009 More anti-Christian death threats and almost daily urinations at the Cenacle, sacred site of the Last Supper
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17130&size=A
http://tinyurl.com/yh37jq9
December 27, 2009 Before Christmas Israelis steal sacred Mary’s Gate from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
http://palestinecry.blogspot.com/2009/12/special-palestine-cry-blog-articles-why.html
December 30, 2009 Christian convert repeatedly attacked in Jerusalem, police do nothing
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11624325/
December 30, 2009 Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them by Amiram Barkat
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
January 19, 2010 assassination of Palestinian leader, Mahmoud al Mabhouh by 18 member death squad of Israel’s international secret police, the Mossad
Mossad’s Murderous Reach: The Larger Political Issues by Prof. James Petras
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17746
http://tinyurl.com/yark454
February 13, 2010 Under cover of helping Haiti, Caribbean "Elder Brothers in the Faith" Under Investigation for cнιℓd тrαffιcking, Sex Slavery
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/02/caribbean-elder-brothers-under.html
February 22, 2010 At Israel’s Herzliya Conference Jєωιѕн Professor Martin Kramer from Harvard called for "the West" to take measures to curb the births of Palestinians, a proposal that appears to meet the international legal definition of a call for genocide.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11091.shtml
Superfluous young men by Martin Kramer
February 7, 2010
http://www.martinkramer.org/sandbox/2010/02/superfluous-young-men/
March 21, 2010 Report: Current Knesset most racist of all time
by Sharon Roffe-OfirIsrael News
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3865696,00.html
May 23, 2010 Revealed: how Israel offered to sell [apartheid] South Africa nuclear weapons by Chris McGreal, The Guardian, 5/24/2010
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
“Zionist nuclear hypocrites are seeking sanctions and war against Iran, a nation that complies with the nuclear regulations that the Israelis violate.”
Declassified: Israeli Government Offered to Sell Nuclear Weapons to South Africa
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2010/05/declassified-israeli-government-offered.html
May 27, 2010 Israel blocks humanitarian aid
IDF vows to block 'Freedom Flotilla' aid convoy to Gaza by Barak Ravid, Anshel Pfeffer, and Jack Khoury, Haaretz, 5/29/2010
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-vows-to-block-freedom-flotilla-aid-convoy-to-gaza-1.292424
Humanitarian Flotilla vs. Evil Navy by Gilad Atzmon
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15991
May 30, 2010 Israeli commandos murder 16 unarmed peace activists, injure 50 more.
Israeli Butchery at Sea by Gild Atzmon May 31, 2010
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/israeli-butchery-at-sea-by-gilad-atzmon.html
the Israeli spin: Israeli soldiers, armed to the teeth with the latest weaponry, attacked by passengers with "sharp metal objects" and knives:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/7789175/Israeli-troops-attack-ship-carrying-aid-to-Gaza-killing-16.html
Al Jazeera’s video footage before communications were cut and 14 more peace activists were killed:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053133047995359.html
Cynthia McKinney: Israel's Latest Murder of Humanitarian Activists
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/israels-latest-murder-of-humanitarian-activists/
‘Israel is now a Lunatic State’ – Norman Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_CKL5h2_8&feature=player_embedded
The Madness of Arrogance: Israel's Attack on the Gaza Aid Flotilla
by Dr. Alan Sabrosky / May 31st, 2010
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/the-madness-of-arrogance/
Israeli Soldier Shoots American Art Student in Face
Salem-News, May 31, 2010
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may312010/israel-girl-shot.php
Did Israel Deliberately Murder Civilians Aboard Freedom Flotilla?
http://witnessgaza.com/ June 2, 2010
http://palsolidarity.org/2010/06/12665/
From Klinghoffer to the Gaza Flotilla
By Yvonne Ridley
http://www.counterpunch.com/ridley06022010.html
Israeli War Crimes: From the U.S.S. Liberty to the Humanitarian Flotilla by James Petras, June 5, 2010
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/06/israeli-war-crimes-from-the-u-s-liberty-to-the-humanitarian-flotilla/
October 18, 2010 Senior Sephardi Rabbi Ovadia Yosef announces that Gentiles only exist to serve Jews:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel… In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”
“Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews” by Jonah Mandel, Jerusalem Post, 10/18/2010
http://www.jpost.com/JєωιѕнWorld/JєωιѕнNews/Article.aspx?id=191782
Thursday, October 21, 2010 Harvest of excrement: colonists in Occupied Territories pump sewage on to Palestinian farm land
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/10/harvest-of-excrement-colonists-in-occupied-territories-pump-sewage-on-to-palestinian-farm-land.html#comments
Easter 2011 Israeli TV mocks Crucifixion on Easter
http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/04/24/israeli-tv-mocks-christ-crucifixion/
June 5, 2011 Israelis gun down peaceful protestors, 20 killed, including a 12-year old boy, 220 wounded
Israeli forces fire at 'Naksa' protesters
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/06/20116591150521659.html
June 24, 2011 Israeli “Defense” soldiers shoot at Palestinian children flying kites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IzQG9kcQsEs
Christmas 2011 “As long as I hold office, no non-Jєωιѕн symbol will be presented in the city.”
How the mayor (of a Nazareth suburb) stole Christmas
http://972mag.com/how-the-mayor-of-a-nazareth-suburb-stole-christmas-2/6979/
Februrary 2012 “Death to Christians” painted on the walls of the Monastery of the Cross in Jerusalem.
The Vandalized Abbey of Latroun By GIORGIO BERNARDELLI
La Stampa (Italy) • Sept. 5, 2012
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/09/another-israeli-assault-against-name-of.html
March 17, 2012 Consistent with Judaism’s imprecations against Gentiles, Chabad leaves man to die.
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/chabadniks-leave-purim-celebrating.html
April 16, 2012 Israeli Army Colonel beats Danish human rights activist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uL-GmYBNDqY
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/04/israeli-army-colonel-beats-danish-human.html
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lM5Q1zIU2k4/T4yyWbx83qI/AAAAAAAAA-k/s8j1hHJuroQ/s640/Eisner_slugs_Andreas.jpg
July 17, 2012 Israeli Lawmaker Destroys "Abominable" New Testament as "Christians" United for "Israel" Meet in Washington
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/07/israeli-lawmaker-destroys-abominable.html
August 26, 2012 Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual leader of the Israeli political party "Shas," calls again for genocide.
Rav Ovadia Yosef: We Must Pray for the Destruction of Iran By Jacob Edelist, The Jєωιѕн Press, Aug, 26, 2012
http://www.Jєωιѕнpress.com/news/breaking-news/rav-ovadia-yosef-we-must-pray-for-the-destruction-of-iran/2012/08/26/
September 5, 2012 “Jesus is a monkey” spray painted on the Benedictine Abbey of Latroun (between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv).
The Vandalized Abbey of Latroun By GIORGIO BERNARDELLI
La Stampa (Italy) • Sept. 5, 2012
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/09/another-israeli-assault-against-name-of.html
October 2, 2012 "Jesus, son of a bitch, price tag" spray-painted on Catholic monastery in Jerusalem.
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/10/teachings-of-normative-orthodox-judaism.html
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/dailystar/Pictures/2012/10/02/104191_mainimg.jpg
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....Sounds more like an infomercial....
:roll-laugh2:
Priceless!
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I need to comfirm that this is indeed Max Krah's Facebook page.
It's how it used to look. You can be as certain as it is possible to be that it's his.
When his dodgy tastes were pointed it was rapidly changed. Ask people on Ignis, they saw it too. Now his "likes" are hidden.
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I would suppose more people have collected screenshots of his bizarre, public posted preferences (which are a lot more extensive and disturbing than what is shown), which are incompatible with the religion. I've seen them posted here and at ignis, and elsewhere.
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A wordy, Obama-esque softball interview with zero pointed follow-up questions in a clear attempt to apply lipstick on Menzingen.
Why not have this same interviewer have a lengthy softball session with Cardinal Mahony and give him a chance to "explain away" his modernism?
Something like this . . .
Interviewer: "Uh, Your Eminence, rumor has it that you are a modernist. Are you a modernist?"
Cardinal Mahony: "No, of course not. I am a faithful servant of the Good News of the Gospel. I embrace the universal mystery and inclusivity that defines us as the People of God. I'm no modernist! I'm an optimist!"
Interviewer: "Uh, thank you for clarifying that. So, for the record, you're not a modernist." . . . "Well there you have it folks! Cardinal Mahony's not a modernist after all. It was all just a bunch of malicious rumors on the part of bitter extremist right-wing blogger types (who evidently have more journalistic sense and integrity than this amateur)."
--El Zorrillo
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"Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. "
No proof of this. And anyway behold the тαℓмυdic roots of his statement: Jews are over Gentiles, in other words, the "Chosen People". Jews are elite, Gentiles are second-class!
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"Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots. "
No proof of this. And anyway behold the тαℓмυdic roots of his statement: Jews are over Gentiles, in other words, the "Chosen People". Jews are elite, Gentiles are second-class!
That's exactly what their general behavior shows, isn't it?
They continually reveal their real allegiance, and it isn't to Catholicism.
Archbishop Lefebvre's choice of bishop is kicked to the curb to please the ѕуηαgσgυє.
Anyone familiar with this lawyer K's Facebook page and writings can see that he's very enthusiastic on the subjects of Zionism and disgusting Jєωιѕн "cultural" productions and singularly lacking in enthusiasm for Catholicism.
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[quote The Conciliarists don’t have young people. Young priests today tend to classical Traditional Catholicism, and those young people who still go to Mass, are usually not the left wingers. [/quote]
Uumm- World Youth Day :guitar: :dancing-banana: :scratchchin:
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This is the general sentiment being felt throughout the various Districts of the Society.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=25&hl=
Regarding the interview... Nice try, but I'm not buying it, and neither are most other people. We're not stupid. I stand with Bishop Williamson.
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Our good Hollingsworth wrote on IA in the same named thread, on 28 October 2012, 8:14 GMT :
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The following Personal Message (PM) arrived in my Ignis Ardens message cache on Aug. 5, 2011. It was from that nice Catholic boy, Menzingen’s chief attorney. Although it commanded some attention on IA back then, I reprint it here for new members and to remind old ones how these folks operate.
Remember, that nice Catholic boy threatened IA with legal action for using his real name on their discussion forum. He threatened me with a lawsuit, as well. Now, I ask, how could such a nice (international) Catholic boy like this resort to such tactics? (I'm kidding, of course.)
Dear Mr. Moore,
my New York attorney asked me for your detailed postal address, as he needs it for sueing (sic) you for slander and calumny. I only know you are living in Post Falls. May I kindly ask you to send me the correct address? It would save costs, which, at the end, you will have to pay. More, I think it is the much better and honest way to discuss the issues you are talking about from man to man, eye to eye, under the neutral chair of a (sic)jugde.
So, I´m awaiting your answer. I will be in NYC next week - next block week at Columbia Business School - and there going to speak about the case with my American colleague and prepare everything. Your postings here on IA as well as on Cathinfo are enough for a nice claim. My personal favourite is the "rat" which you called me, but it isn´t the most severe.
Sincerely!
Max Krah
BTW, one has to believe that Menzingen knew all about these threatened suits, and did nothing to stop them.
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DR. Krah is now a member of IA and has responded.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=50
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I refer to my earlier agreement of this.
Regarding the interview... Nice try, but I'm not buying it, and neither are most other people. We're not stupid. I stand with Bishop Williamson
I actually didn't want to bring up the old material yesterday but thought it necessary to provide a context for those not aware of 'Krahgate'.
On IA Krah stated.
Now it might be clear that non of the accussations then made is true.
Keeping in mind the questions of William of Norwich who stated
Krah first made his appearance in the international sphere, as far as rank-and-file traditionalists are concerned, in the wake of what has been dubbed by the mainstream media as “the Williamson Affair.” His comments on the bishop were less than flattering, exuded a liberal view of the world, and poured oil on the fire of controversy that raged across the world, and against both the bishop and the SSPX, for months on end. It has been plain for a long time now that the “interview” and the “ensuing controversy” were a set-up, but it was, and still is, a matter of conjecture as to which person(s) and/or agencies engineered the set-up. Perhaps subsequent information in this email will throw more light on this troubling question?
What is beyond conjecture, however, is that Bishop Fellay’s attitude towards Bishop Williamson changed dramatically. Even those who will hear nothing against Bishop Fellay have noticed this change. The change has been public and persistent, and has been both insulting and humiliating for Bishop Williamson. It has also been largely carried out in the mainstream media, and, in Germany, the notoriously anti-Catholic communist magazine, Der Spiegel, has found a favored place, much to the astonishment of traditionalists everywhere. It has been there that we heard the shocking references to Bishop Williamson as “an unexploded hand grenade,” “a dangerous lump of uranium,” etc, as well as the insulting insinuations that he is disturbed or suffering from Parkinson’s Disease. The question, let it be remembered, is not whether one agrees or disagrees with Williamson, whether one likes or dislikes either Bishop Williamson or Bishop Fellay, but whether or not a man has a right to express a personal opinion on a matter of secular history. The ambush of Williamson by the Swedish interviewer, Ali Fegan, said by some Swedes to be a Turkish Jew, left Williamson on the spot: to get up and walk out in silence, thereby providing the media with the hook “that his refusal to speak is proof of his revisionist beliefs” or simply to lie. Williamson made his choice. Whether we agree or not is neither here nor there.
Krah states.
There are people in our ranks who were attrackted not by the faith, but by the unjust situation of being outcast. This is why, in the words of Bishop Fellay, "we are attractive for weirdos, although we don´t want that." Outsiders love to be outcast. For them, the SSPX is not the arch of the faith, but the refugium in which they hope to be protected from real life. They want to be sect instead of church.
William of Norwich asked legitimate questions and did not make any accusations.
10) Can you explain why your public attitude to Williamson has changed, why you have continuously belittled him in public – while he has not responded in kind at any time?
11) What do you intend to do about Mr. Krah given that his position within the Society is one of influence, but who cannot seriously be regarded as someone who has the best interests of Catholic Tradition at heart? Will you move as quickly to resolve this question as you have in respect of Williamson?
There is no malice meant or intended in this communication. There is quite simply a tremendous fear for the future of the SSPX and its direction
2) Who introduced, or recommended, Maximilian Krah in his professional capacity to the Society of Saint Pius X?
3) If you were not aware of Krah’s background and political connections, why was he not carefully investigated before being brought into the inner-circle and inner-workings of SSPX?
However, Krah is at the financial center of the SSPX; he has done no favors to Williamson and his case by his statements and actions; and may be responsible for things yet unknown or unseen.
Since his arrival on the scene, traditionalists have witnessed
1) The abrupt disappearance of important theological articles from District websites regarding Judaism and the pivotal role played by our “elder brothers,” as Bishop Fellay referred to them this year, in Finance, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Communism, none of which could have been construed as “anti-semitic” by the time honored standards of the Catholic Church.
2) Bishop Williamson being continuously and publicly denigrated, humiliated and grossly insulted.
3) The communist journal, Der Spiegel, being favored with arranged interviews and stories to keep the “Williamson Affair” on-the-boil, thereby tending toward the “marginalization” of Williamson.
4) A scandalous and erroneous article being published in The Angelus, in which the faithful were taught that a тαℓмυdic rabbi was a saint, and that the said rabbi was positively instrumental in preparing the Incarnation of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the conversion of St. Paul.
All these facts combined necessarily raise a whole series of questions. These questions can only be answered by those in a position to know all the facts. In this case that person is Bishop Fellay, since he is the Superior General, has unrestricted access to all aspects of the Society’s work, and obviously has taken Mr. Krah into his confidence on both the financial and legal levels.
This writer is making no accusations or insinuations against Bishop Fellay at any level. He is simply requesting that he make public reply to the following questions in order that the doubt and worry, which is widespread among the clergy and faithful since the events of last year, is allayed, and soothed by the balm of Truth.
It can, therefore, come as no surprise that Williamson decided to appeal the Court’s decision, and to engage an independent attorney who would address the actual legal questions of the case. That Bishop Fellay, on the basis of media reports, ordered him publicly to sack this attorney or face expulsion is a great surprise, one might even say a scandal, for such situations require knowledge of all the facts, serious reflection, and sagacity. The Press Communiqué demonstrated none of these requirements, and merely represented one more example of Bishop Fellay’s unexplained public hostility to Mgr. Williamson. It is significant that the DICI statement referred to Williamson’s new attorney as someone who was associated with “neo-nαzιs,” this being a reference to the German National Democrats, an organization that has been in existence for about 50 years and has elected members in some regional German parliaments. If it had been “nαzι” it would have been banned under the German Constitution a long time ago – as many such groups have found out over the years in Germany. Moreover, while DICI chose the term “neo-nαzι,” the British Daily Telegraph chose “far right,” as did those well-known anti-semitic journals, The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz.
Did Krah have an input into this communiqué? We cannot know for sure, but we do know something about Krah that is not common knowledge. Maximilian Krah is Jєωιѕн. He presents himself as some sort of ‘Christian’ in the link provided above, yet we find a more revealing picture of Maximilian Krah, at this link below, in attendance at a fundraising event in New York during September 2010.
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William of Norwich
ENTER KRAH
Krah is instructed to find an attorney to defend Williamson. He opts for Matthias Lossmann as defense attorney, a strange choice. It is strange, because Lossmann is a member of the extremist Die Grünen party (The Greens), an organization that is well-known in Germany as a water melon: green on the outside, red on the inside. A party that is pro-feminist, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, pro-abortion and harbors Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a member of the European Parliament in its ranks. Besides his frontline involvement in the 1968 Red turbulence in the universities in France, he is a known advocate of pedophilia, as his autobiography demonstrates. What was Krah thinking of, then, in choosing such an attorney to represent a Catholic bishop? Was Lossmann really the only attorney in Germany prepared to take this case?
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Also WON states
Remember, too, that after the first Der Spiegel hatchet job on Williamson, Krah turned up at the British HQ of the SSPX in London at short notice and sought to get Williamson to do a second interview with the disreputable magazine. Williamson refused to do so, in spite of the fact that Krah had come with these journalists with the express sanction of Bishop Fellay! How in God’s name could Mgr. Fellay have thought that a second bite at the apple by Der Spiegel journalists would help the cause of Williamson or the SSPX? Go figure.
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But to return to the interview my question is similar to this.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=100
Why then, is it expedient to allow them to be explained in public media at this time
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DR. Krah is now a member of IA and has responded.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=50
As my interview has caused some discussions on IA (as well as on Cathinfo), please allow me to give a short review:
1) In 2010, the stalking campaign against me began. Now it might be clear that non of the accussations then made is true. Until now I didn�t receive any apology by one of the involved persons.
2) Instead, those who drove the campaign do continue to stalk, slur and slander. Example: On Cathinfo, my stalking community now try to use my Facebook "Likes" against me. Imagine, someone has plenty of books, a huge library, including classical literature, philosphy etc. Now you may find within this collection of books one or two that might be questionable. Some time later, even these few books are replaced. Nontheless, you start a campaign gainst the booklover, stating that these one or two books show his true nature, blending out all the other books, the big picture. Exactly this takes place now. Oh, what wackos!
3) More, Mr. "Hollingsworth" from Post Falls helds the opinion, that he has the right to defame with impunity. I don�t agree with him. That�s why I wrote him. And that�s why I consulted a lawyer-friend in NYC, who at the end of the day told me about the costs of a defamation file against the Mister from Idaho (whose address I know) and asked me, whether I really want to invest this amount. I didn�t want, because of the simple fact that a successful file against one of my stalkers would not stop the others.
4) I am once again impressed by the amount of "iudaeophobia" - thanks to Mr. McFarland for this great term - among my stalkers. Mr. McFarland is fully right, when stating:
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If I were a little old Jєωιѕн lady, it wouldn't take much of this stuff to get me to send off a big fat check to the ADL.
Look, organizations like the ADL have a certain purpose: attacking antisemite behaviour. I can hardly criticize them for doing their job. People like my stalkers are doing the job of those who want to blame the SSPX. They give a bad example.
Pope Pius XI. stated very clearly: "The Church has no share in anti-semitism." Neither has the SSPX, nor I. The German bourgeoisie�s gravest failure in history was to be bystanders when the nαzιs discriminated and later massmurdered their Jєωιѕн neighbors, colleagues, and friends. You won�t find any German of class who is standing aside when again losers try to compensate their inferiority complexes on cost of other people.
5) This leads to my final point, and another lawyer, Mr. Wansbutler.
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This interview confirms, crystal clearly, that Max "He who shall remain nameless" represents the "moderate" "respectable" new face of the S.S.P.X
What, Mr. Wansbutler, is so bad with being "moderate" and "respectable"? Look, the SSPX (and the whole Traditional Catholic movement) were badly treated after Vatican 2. Respect was refused, which was a grave unjust. Now, by solid work, by staying devote and pious, by charity, by the moderate and prudent leadership of the Superiors and by the example all those many faithful give, by their clean life, their work, their positive attitude - We are good people! - we reach the point in which society can�t resist the respect any longer. We see the fruits of staying loyal to faith and tradition, what includes prudence and moderation. And now you are coming and criticizing it?
There are people in our ranks who were attrackted not by the faith, but by the unjust situation of being outcast. This is why, in the words of Bishop Fellay, "we are attractive for weirdos, although we don�t want that." Outsiders love to be outcast. For them, the SSPX is not the arch of the faith, but the refugium in which they hope to be protected from real life. They want to be sect instead of church. They don�t see the unjust stage of being outcasted by the Vatican 2-authorities as a burden, but as a chance. They don�t want to overcome the crisis, as the crisis is somehow comfortable to them. That, Mr. Wansbutler, is why you and your fellows are so against being "respected"; isn�t it? And that�s the very reason for the current campaign against the SSPX, represented by its superiors, of which the campaign against me was a side tone.
That said, I hope the differences are clear. I am just a Catholic family father. I live my life, I take care on my family, I serve my country, fullfill the laws, pay taxes, and I don�t think that being respected and successful is somehow mad. I know most of us do it the same way. And thus I am quite relaxed about this campaign. Everyone knows what kind of people are behind it - the ones we don�t need, but who need our charity.
My favorite rebuttal so far is from Maurice Pinay:
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Then came the Pharisees and Doctors of the law ...
Oh, my.
It occurs to me that if the SSPX had initially been proposed as a society for counterfeit Israel supporters who believe 'Jews' deserve the front row; who not only throw open their windows to the world but admit a striving for worldly respect, its founders would have been viewed with far more suspicion than the revolutionaries of Vatican II.
Also, I'm no Doctor of the law but it seems to me that searching out the identity and home address of an individual more closely conforms to "stalking" than the recognition of a public individual's already publicly available information and behavior.
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The friend of Zionism again:
Dear Mr. Wansbutler,
first of all, it is remarkable, that non of the attacks which are striked out in this current discussion has something to do with the original accusations, made in 2010.
Now I get attacked for somhow being "not Catholic enough", what in a very fundamental way thrives the question what being Catholic means. The Church answers it quite clear: You have to hold the faith, attending to the sacraments. Being Catholic is not about history, politics, not about style and fashion. It is about religion, about fundamental beliefs on God and our relation to Him. In the same way as it is wrong to exclude some dogmas from the integral faith - the haeresy - it is sinful and a thread against the faith to add something to the faith. I hope we agree on this.
Now, on all those stalking threads in the net I haven�t found yet just one accusation concerning one single dogma I would deny. Noone accuses me for not receiving the sacraments. But all those "truest Catholics" are absolutely sure that I am something like the devil himself. Isn�t that crazy? Obviously, they judge on completely different measures as the Church does.
But let us go into detail:
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I would go down to Kansas City and confront him man-to-man about it. That seems to be the Catholic gentlemanly way to go about it.
- what a good advise! Unfortunately, hard to realize against a stalking community that prefers to stay anonymous, right?
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whereas to say, along with the pre-Vatican II magisterium that "[a] dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees" is considered a "fanatic". Perhaps more seriously, your praise for feminism, which is considered normal today, and one such as I who, along with the pre-Vatican II Church believes a wife's place is in the home raising childen, is a "misogynist". Just a couple of examples,
a) First impression: All your "examples" are connected with women. Are you married?
b) Second: "Pre-Vatican II-magisterium" does not tell anything about fashion. Once again, you add to the faith what not belong to. The Concile of Trent did even refuse the right of the Church to set rules on eating - that�s a dogma, and it is the "nearest" dogma concerning such "fashion rules". All we have about fashion are conclusions out of the dogma, which are always dependend to the time, the place, and the people which are affected. This in no ways is an absolution of some objectionable trends in fashion. It is just a call to take things as they are and not declaring secondary issues to be questions of faith.
3) What finally leads to the fundamental aspect:
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The modern world is so thoroughly bad, and has totally rejected Christ, that I think the be "respectable" today is all to often a bad thing. Today, evil is good and good is evil.
And here, my friend, we have the source of your critical position towards me, and we have - please take it into consideration and not just blame me for this objection - a clear haeresy from your side. You fully misunderstand one of the major dogmas of the Church, once again formulated by the Concile of Trent: on the original sin.
The Church teaches - infallible - that the human nature is good. But by the original sin it got wounded. This dogma was necessary, since Luther taught exactly what you state: That the original sin has fully destroyed all the good in the human nature. The discussion went on the use of pre-Christian art and philosophy in the Renaissance era. The Church was big in Renaissance, and it caused some moral troubles. Luther blamed the whole anchient (pre-Christian as well as not-yet-Christian) tradition for being - in your words - "thoroughly bad." He did it by overstating the effect of the original sin, for Luther it was a complete destruction of the good in the human nature, for the Church it is "just" a wound. What a difference! What great dogma! One of my favourite philosophers, Carl Schmitt, praises the Church for this dogma in his text "Roman Catholicism and political form". I�m with him. This dogma shows the brillance of our faith. Schmitt describes the Church as a "complexio oppositorum", what is worth to think about. And this is the key to understand and hence to reject such simplistic views as shown by you.
And now apply this dogma to our times. Yes, our era has lost grace. But this brings us back on the stage of nature. Nature is inherently good, but wounded by the original sin - dogma! That means, our era is not "thoroughly bad", but it is "good, but wounded" - quite similar as, for instance, the Roman Empire, which was by far more hostile against Christianity as our times are. And we have - very carefully - to distinguish. We have to check. There is no simplistic solution a la "everything is bad" - not even during the worst epoches of persecution the Church taught such nonsense concerning the Roman Empire. And by what measures we have to distinguish? By the dogma!
None so blind as those who will not see. Are we supposed to be bamboozled by the straw man diversions? by the impeccable Catholic who stalks his critics?
[size=8]Zionism is against the Faith.
Usury is against the Faith.
Pornography is against the Faith.
Blasphemy is against the Faith.[/size]
The Court Zionist needs to be reminded of the nine ways to be an accomplice in sin.
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Look, organizations like the ADL have a certain purpose: attacking antisemite behaviour. I can hardly criticize them for doing their job.
Did he say this with a straight face?
Once again, a simple search about the ADL/JDL (for fun, throw in 'freemason') is quite telling. If I knew nothing about Mr. Krah before this statement, I sure do now.
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Look, organizations like the ADL have a certain purpose: attacking antisemite behaviour. I can hardly criticize them for doing their job.
Did he say this with a straight face?
Once again, a simple search about the ADL/JDL (for fun, throw in 'freemason') is quite telling. If I knew nothing about Mr. Krah before this statement, I sure do now.
Yes, to attack Catholic Tradition, which they consider antisemitic.
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The World Jews have made it clear Bishop Fellay has to accept Vatican II.
And from Bishop Fellay's own hemming and hawing it seems apparent he's about to go along with it.
So much for Archbishop Lefebvre's I Accuse the Council.
So much for Catholic Tradition in the SSPX!
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How fitting that Krah used Judaica Ardens for his forum.
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Krah said: Pre-Vatican II-magisterium" does not tell anything about fashion. Once again, you add to the faith what not belong to. ....All we have about fashion are conclusions out of the dogma, which are always dependend to the time, the place, and the people which are affected. This in no ways is an absolution of some objectionable trends in fashion.
Comment from Bowler, a father of more children than Mr. Krah, a man that could be Mr' Krah's father, and a man who had all the toys to get all the models that he wanted, when he was of the world (nothing to be proud of today).
Dear Mr. Krah,
Your comment above indicates to me glaringly, that you do not know the faith. On every USA SSPX Chapel is posted a dress code, and it forbids mini-skirts and form fit tight fit revealing clothing. The reason for that is that men like me, real men, are tempted to sin by these fashions. It's very simple really, and should not require explanation to a man. High heels, mini-skirts, exposed belly, tight stretch tops, all of those fashions, send more people to hell than any other sins.
Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
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Salvation is no piece of cake. Here is a printout I received at a retreat in Ridgefield, Connecticut in 1998 or so:
THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF T CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.
1) Notwithstanding assurances that God did not create any man for Hell, and that He wishes all men to be saved, it remains equally true that few will be saved; that only few will go to Heaven; and that the greater part of mankind will be lost for ever. (St. John Neuman)
2) It is certain that few are saved. (St. Augustine)
3) The majority of men shall not see God. (St. Julian the Martyr)
4) Those who are saved are in the minority. ( St. Thomas Aquinas)
5) The greater part of men choose to be damned rather than to love almighty God. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
6) So vast a number of miserable souls perish, and so comparatively few are saved. (St. Philip Neri)
7) Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
8) Death bed conversions/repentance-there are hardly any:
Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely ONE will be saved. (St. Jerome)
9) The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:
a) The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few - not as many as ten - went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)
b) There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
c) The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual.
( Pope St. Gregory the Great)
d) Shall we all be saved? Shall we go to heaven? Alas, my children we do not know at all! But I tremble when I see so many souls lost these days. See, they fall into Hell as leaves fall from the trees at the approach of winter. (St. John Vianney)
10) MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:
St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that- many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.
Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)[/quote]
a) I do not speak rashly, but how I feel and think. I do not think that many priests are saved, but that those who perish are more numerous. ( St. John Chrysostom)
b) Most priest are lost and few bishops are saved, not because of what they do, so much as what they fail to do. (St. John Chrysotom)
c) Many religious go to Hell because they do not keep their vows. (St. Vincent Ferrer)
CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:
a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
14) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it's thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of things life.)
15) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.
16) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
17) Yes indeed, many will be damned; few will be saved. (St. Benedict Joseph Labro)
18) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)
19) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
20) THOSE WHO HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE FAITH CAN ALSO GO TO HELL:
a) When such unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without the faith, but not because of their sin of unbelief. (St. Thomas Aquinas)
b) Everyone that is of truth hears my voice. (St. John 18:37)
c) It may be true that there are, in the remotest parts of the world, some people who have not yet seen the light of the Savior. Certainly, God's manifold and ineffable goodness has always provided, and still provides, for all mankind in such a way that not one of the reprobates can find an excuse as though he had been refused the light of truth. ( St. Prosper of Aquitaine)
d) No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)
21) OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THERE IS NO SALVATION:
a) No matter how praiseworthy his actions might seem, he who is separated from the Catholic Church will never enjoy eternal life (Pope Gregory XVI)
b) O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jews who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
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Mr. Krah said: Pre-Vatican II-magisterium" does not tell anything about fashion. Once again, you add to the faith what not belong to. ....All we have about fashion are conclusions out of the dogma, which are always dependend to the time, the place, and the people which are affected. This in no ways is an absolution of some objectionable trends in fashion
Bowler is: a father of more children than Mr. Krah, a man old enough to be Mr. Krah's father, and a man who when he was younger, and he was in the world, was in a profession and had all the toys to get all the models that he wanted (nothing to be proud of today). I hope that answers Mr. Krah's questioning whether someone was married, as if it was a qualification for talking about womens fashions.
Dear Mr. Krah,
Your comment above indicates to me glaringly, that you do not know the faith. On every USA SSPX Chapel is posted a dress code, and it forbids mini-skirts and form fit tight fit revealing clothing. The reason for that is that men like me, real men, are tempted to sin by these fashions. It's very simple really, and should not require explanation to a man. High heels, mini-skirts, exposed belly, tight stretch tops, all of those fashions, send more people to hell than any other sins.
"Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned". (St. Remigius of Rheims)
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QUOTE (Dr. Maximilian Kr..ah @ Oct 29 2012, 05:05 PM)
Now I get attacked for somhow being "not Catholic enough", what in a very fundamental way thrives the question what being Catholic means. The Church answers it quite clear: You have to hold the faith, attending to the sacraments. Being Catholic is not about history, politics, not about style and fashion. It is about religion, about fundamental beliefs on God and our relation to Him.
The Catholic worldview is definitive on "history, politics, [..] style and fashion." You reject the worldview for which Bp. Williamson is arguably the world's chief defender at this time. It is no wonder you were chosen to orchestrate the media campaign against him. You even insultingly insinuated that Bp. Williamson was disturbed or suffering from Parkinson�s Disease. Only within your minimalist conception of Catholicism can such behavior pass muster.
Kudos to Columba for that incisive assessment.
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Mr. Krah said: Pre-Vatican II-magisterium" does not tell anything about fashion. Once again, you add to the faith what not belong to. ....All we have about fashion are conclusions out of the dogma, which are always dependend to the time, the place, and the people which are affected. This in no ways is an absolution of some objectionable trends in fashion
Bowler is: a father of more children than Mr. Krah, a man old enough to be Mr. Krah's father, and a man who when he was younger, and he was in the world, was in a profession and had all the toys to get all the models that he wanted (nothing to be proud of today). I hope that answers Mr. Krah's questioning whether someone was married, as if it was a qualification for talking about womens fashions.
Dear Mr. Krah,
Your comment above indicates to me glaringly, that you do not know the faith. On every USA SSPX Chapel is posted a dress code, and it forbids mini-skirts and form fit tight fit revealing clothing. The reason for that is that men like me, real men, are tempted to sin by these fashions. It's very simple really, and should not require explanation to a man. High heels, mini-skirts, exposed belly, tight stretch tops, all of those fashions, send more people to hell than any other sins.
"Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned". (St. Remigius of Rheims)
I am not surprised by Mr. Krah's lack of knowledge about such basic teaching of the Church, I have noticed this among the SSPX newcomers for like 10 years now, the SSPX is no longer teaching the faith, they are just down to the Novus Ordo style bare minimum, provide a Sunday mass (reverent). PERIOD, end of job.
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Pertinent details here.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=100
In the Remnant interview, although German SSPX lawyer K briefly touches on the +Wiliamson case, and expands in great details quite unimportant matters, he is totally silent on his role of “helping” Bishop Williamson. I will mention just two events here:
1—12-13 January 2010
The first event is his attempt to force Bishop Williamson to give an interview to the German leftist magazine, Der Spiegel, by forcing their way inside St Georges House on the 12 and 13 January 2010.
The Bishop had already refused to receive the SSPX lawyer K and the two Spiegel journalists even before arriving in London – in other words, they were aware while still in Germany that Bishop Williamson had no intention of giving them an interview:
This is confirmed in the article written by Stephen Heiner who had visited the Bishop straight after:
“K insists on coming for the pre-interview “coaching session.” The Bishop expresses the discomfort he has with K’s proposal and expresses the desire to change the interview format to the same as last time: written questions. Such a situation would make any London visit of K and the journalists unnecessary. The Bishop says to K, “Do NOT come, because I will not speak”.”
See the whole story in the article from the True Restoration Press:
http://truerestoration.blogspot.co.uk/2010...real-story.html
Tuesday, February 2, 2010
Der Spiegel: The Real Story
A totally distorted and anti-clerical article appears in the Spiegel shorly after the event.
2 – 4 July 2011
The second event is the strange behaviour displayed by the German SSPX lawyer K during the trial of Bishop Williamson in Regensburg (4 July 2011), where he was supposed to be a witness for the defence on 4 July 2011. He acted more like the prosecutor rather than a witness for the defence.
The lawyer ridiculed the Bishop in describing him as “colourful bird”, who has “no significant position of leadership”, an “eccentric”, “one who had a persistent problem with recognition of reality" and "monotonous regularity every two years, believes in the apocalypse."
See the German sources:
http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/ex-bis...id4839263.html) :Dapd report.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/prozess-...mmern-1.1116124
these articles are mentioned on 2 English speaking forums:
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2011...williamson.html
also:
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/i...?showtopic=7525
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The World Jews have made it clear Bishop Fellay has to accept Vatican II.
And from Bishop Fellay's own hemming and hawing it seems apparent he's about to go along with it.
So much for Archbishop Lefebvre's I Accuse the Council.
So much for Catholic Tradition in the SSPX!
Phenomenal posts rebutting the nameless one over on Ignis Tele.
Hats off too you
:applause:
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This was said by Columba "Menzingen's continuing association with its shamelessly kosher-trad spokesman clearly proves it has joined the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr".
That never occurred to me in all this. Is this why Fellay is going forward, throwing out his own brother and crushing anyone who stands in his way, come hell or high water, in his quest for Rome?
It made me stop and think.
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"That never occurred to me in all this?"
Really?
What do you think the "elder brothers" remark by +Fellay was about?
It was a sign of submission.
There are only two sides really. You're either with the powers and the principalities of this world of darkness or you're with Our Lord.
We know which side the conciliarists, cdu people, the israelis, are with.
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New York, NY, September 16, 2011 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) urges the Vatican to ensure that a breakaway Catholic sect which teaches anti-Judaism will be required to accept the church's official positive teachings about Jews and Judaism before they are fully accepted back into the Roman Catholic Church.
The Vatican announced earlier this week that in order for The Society of St. Pius X to gain full reconciliation with the church, SSPX must accept some core church teachings, but they have not been made public.
It was unclear from news reports and Vatican statements whether the landmark reforms of the Second Vatican Council and subsequent Vatican teachings - which reversed nearly 2,000 years of church-based anti-Semitism, repudiated the deicide charge against Jews, and called for positive and respectful interfaith relations - were included among these latest requirements.
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a h0Ɩ0cαųst survivor, issued the following statement:
"We are confident that Pope Benedict XVI will continue to require the Society of St. Pius X, which espouses anti-Semitic and anti-Jєωιѕн beliefs, to publicly accept the church's positive teachings about Jews and Judaism since the 1965 Second Vatican Council, before fully accepting them back into the Roman Catholic Church.
It would be unthinkable to allow a Catholic breakaway sect that includes a h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying bishop, Richard Williamson, to be reintegrated into the church while still being allowed to promote anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism - which they have been doing for years in their teachings and on their Web site.
We trust Pope Benedict's promise that he made to us during our meeting in 2007 that he would stand with us against all forms of anti-Semitism."
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3444065.0
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"That never occurred to me in all this?"
Really?
What do you think the "elder brothers" remark by +Fellay was about?
It was a sign of submission.
There are only two sides really. You're either with the powers and the principalities of this world of darkness or you're with Our Lord.
We know which side the conciliarists, cdu people, the israelis, are with.
Submission yes, it was a sure sign of submission. What I'm asking without asking is, is this what Fellay was always about, or is this new found love for modernism and the enemies of Christ just that, new found.
Its one thing for a man to become corrupted over time, it's quite another to enter into an organization already corrupt.
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Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic.
Siscoe: Are you a Freemason?
Krah: No I am not a Freemason, and never have been.
Well then there ya have it, all nicely wrapped up by the Remnant. The great and wonderful krah is now cleared of any and all accusations because he says he's not a mason or a jew.
Not wasting anytime are we Menzingen? You didn't even wait for Bishop Williamson to shut the door on his way out before you 1. make it clear you are headed for Rome now that the obstacle like that pesky truthman +Williamson won't be there to stop you, and 2. you just couldn't wait to clear the good name of your bud Krah. Something you couldn't do while Bishop Williamson was still on board.
The enemies of God must be very proud of you.
:facepalm:
I wonder if Max has an East German baptismal certificate ? :scratchchin:
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Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic.
Probably others have noted the incomplete answer to the question posed. But let's note it again. Krah did not say he was notJєωιѕн. He did notsay he had no Jєωιѕн background. I think a complete answer to the question would have been:
"No, I am not Jєωιѕн, and I have no Jєωιѕн background. I was baptized a Catholic."
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Also WON states
Remember, too, that after the first Der Spiegel hatchet job on Williamson, Krah turned up at the British HQ of the SSPX in London at short notice and sought to get Williamson to do a second interview with the disreputable magazine. Williamson refused to do so, in spite of the fact that Krah had come with these journalists with the express sanction of Bishop Fellay! How in God’s name could Mgr. Fellay have thought that a second bite at the apple by Der Spiegel journalists would help the cause of Williamson or the SSPX? Go figure.
Meaning of course... Bp. Fellay was in on the +Williamson ambush.
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Siscoe: So you’re not Jєωιѕн? No Jєωιѕн background? You were baptized a Catholic as a child?
Krah: Of course, I am a Catholic.
Probably others have noted the incomplete answer to the question posed. But let's note it again. Krah did not say he was notJєωιѕн. He did notsay he had no Jєωιѕн background. I think a complete answer to the question would have been:
"No, I am not Jєωιѕн, and I have no Jєωιѕн background. I was baptized a Catholic."
Yes, he has never denied being Jєωιѕн. According to Max, a Society priest "advised me to keep silent". Why the need to ask a priest?
'Veritas1961' cited the example of Cardinal Lustiger in his/her questions to Fr Laisney.
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One reason to keep silent is to cause people to repeat the accusation, because it discredits them.
I'd feel more sympathetic if such a person really was some sort of converso, rather than a trad-philosemite nutcase or cynic.
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I still agree with the point made earlier.
Regarding the interview... Nice try, but I'm not buying it, and neither are most other people. We're not stupid. I stand with Bishop Williamson.
Given the expulsion of an obstacle to a deal and discussions ongoing, this interview was carefully planned but has been a PR blunder for Bishop Fellay.
A bulk of priests and laity, who are not "wackos" and who are attending Society chapels much longer than Krah are deeply angry about the expulsion and what Bishop Fellay is doing.
There are people in our ranks who were attrackted not by the faith, but by the unjust situation of being outcast. This is why, in the words of Bishop Fellay, "we are attractive for weirdos, although we don´t want that." Outsiders love to be outcast. For them, the SSPX is not the arch of the faith, but the refugium in which they hope to be protected from real life. They want to be sect instead of church
"our ranks".
Unless third order, Maximilian Krah is not a member of the SSPX and quite rash judgement and calumny to suggest people, who attend Society chapels are not attracted because of their faith. Catholics avail of valid sacraments from their chapels.
As for his attacks on the Bishop, the Bishop has been in the Society for 36 years and chosen by God and Archbishop Lefebvre to be a Bishop.
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http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454539.0.html
This article and interview appears on The Remnant's website. It was an interesting read, though I found the interview less than convincing in terms of dispelling the accusations against him. I should add that I am not a regular SSPX Chapel-goer and thus do not really have a horse in this race so to speak. Here was a comment I posted on another blog which linked to the same article:
"As what I would assume to be a rather impartial observer (I am not a regular SSPX attendee, etc.), I must admit that I did not find the interview with Mr. Krah all that convincing.
He seems to obfuscate the real question about the State of Israel by refusing to address the theoretical question and instead stating that the practical situation is not so bad so we ought not to worry. That does little to dispel accusations, be they factual or not, of him being a Zionist.
Furthermore, his last point about how he would attend another Friends of Tel Aviv event, comes across as immature and confrontational. He ought not to be supporting such a group, and even if going to a reception is not supporting them per se, plenty of folks quite understandably interpret it as such, so why the insipid and childish "I will do what I want" trope?
Also, if Mr. Krah has no share in internal affairs of the SSPX as he states, and those things are solely within the purview of the SSPX authorities, then why does he feel the need to insert his editorial comment about +Williamson having "openly underminded authority and hierarchy?"
He basically seems to think that Catholics=Republicans, and that Jews now are the same sort of Jews as Our Lord, Our Lady, and St. Joseph. As I said, unconvincing."
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http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454539.0.html
I'm not a professional interviewer, but it does strike me as "puff piece."
The questions are weighted and biased, (Bishop Williamson is evil, Bishop Fellay is perfect as is Israel and those that don't agree are haters or just don't understand) there is no follow up on the answers, too much focus on whether or not he's ethnically Jєωιѕн (which has an implicit indication that the people questioning his Catholic loyalties in contrast with possible tribal loyalties put all of their concern on that possible element.) ' it reads as "Your accusers are a bunch of αnтι-ѕємιтєs, let's let the world see how anti-semitic they are. "
And there is the little bit of insurance at the end. "The internet stalkers will take everything and twist it." Cardinal Newman called it "poisoning the well" Any criticism is to be blamed on Krah's English as a second language (so it can't be trusted and is open to revision by him) or it's just internet stalkers.
This part struck me as particularly funny:
"Krah: First, regarding the Williamson case. It is obvious to me that the statement he made concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst is historically wrong, and he is not open to arguments of historical facts. But, as a lawyer, it was clear to me that he did not violate the German law because, in the moment he made his statement, his wrong statement, he had no idea that the interview would be broadcasted in Germany."
Notice the dogmatism in the answer? Accusing Williamson of being dogmatic when he wasn't. And the extra emphasis on the follow up "his wrong statement." It has an almost parenthetical quality of putting it in there in order to protect himself from the German gov't.
My follow up question would be: "You say Bishop Williamson is not open to arguments of historical facts, despite his statement to the contrary in the now infamous video. Are you open to arguments of historical facts? You come from a nation that is not open to publicly questioning historical facts on this matter, but are you personally open minded enough to publicly entertain the possibility of being wrong and Bishop Williamson being right? If you answer "yes" then you are in danger of losing your freedom because of your governments laws. If you say, "No" then you are no different from your own accusation against the bishop. And also if you say, "no" how would we know if you are simply saying that in order to protect yourself from persecution or that it was a genuine "no."
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http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3454539.0.html
It is disconcerting that the current lawyer representing the SSPX who also has access to its finances adhere to Neo- conservative Zionist principles. .
Seriously? The State of Israel is a country which has for its official religion one born of denying the Messias and based upon a blasphemous book. It is a religion regularly condemned by Church Fathers and Pontiffs. It is an insidious and terrorist State which seeks to co-opt the U.S. and Europe into doing its own public relations and international dirty work, and happily takes many foreign funds from these countries. It is a country which has no legal right to exist because it occupies stolen land.
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[16] But he said to him: A certain man made a great supper, and invited many. [17] And he sent his servant at the hour of supper to say to them that were invited, that they should come, for now all things are ready. [18] And they began all at once to make excuse. The first said to him: I have bought a farm, and I must needs go out and see it: I pray thee, hold me excused. [19] And another said: I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to try them: I pray thee, hold me excused. [20] And another said: I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
[21] And the servant returning, told these things to his lord. Then the master of the house, being angry, said to his servant: Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the feeble, and the blind, and the lame. [22] And the servant said: Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. [23] And the Lord said to the servant: Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. [24] But I say unto you, that none of those men that were invited, shall taste of my supper.
By this man we are to understand Christ Jesus, the great mediator between God and man. He sent his servants, at supper-time, to say to them that were invited, that they should come; i.e. he sent his apostles to call the people of Israel, who had been invited to his supper on almost innumerable occasions: but they not only refused the invitation, but also murdered the Lord who had invited them.
Which group is more pleasing to the neo-SSPX?
They are not smearing and denigrating the people too concerned with affairs of the world to care about the integrity of the Faith - no - it's the people who are outside whom they despise.
And who do they want to associate with? With people who constantly insult the name of Christ.
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And the rest laid hands on his servants, and having treated them contumeliously, put them to death. [7] But when the king had heard of it, he was angry, and sending his armies, he destroyed those murderers, and burnt their city.
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Besides confirming what we all suspected, the "Krah interview has demonstrated beyond a doubt that Bp. Fellay's neoSSPX is judaized.
Since +Bp. Williamosn's expulsion, we've also confirmed that the Remnant and CFN are shills for the tribe.
Max is zionist and most likely Jєωιѕн.
Ethnicity could be confirmed with a DNA test, but it doesn't matter.
Like Bp. Fellay's CNS interview, Max just hung himself.
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Expectedly Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє cannot bear the existence of even the tiniest remnant of Catholicism, so predictably the SSPX and other practicing Catholic groups have been and will continue to be targeted—at least until their abject and groveling submission is complete. Unable to tolerate Catholic or even historical truth, Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє seek to spread "Jєωιѕн fables" (Titus 1:14).
Who doubted that? Of course Bp. Williamson would be targeted for preaching "out of season" (2 Timothy 4:2) about the central "Jєωιѕн fable" that today's Pharisees—"friends" and "Elder Brothers"—have used in their attempt to replace Calvary with the h0Ɩ0h0αx as the pivot point of all history. It is no longer deemed "prudent" to teach Catholic and historical truth. Websites must be sanitized of such inconvenient truths, right?
The more that the inner circle open their mouths, the more their priorities and loyalties become clear.
In a milieu of obvious mental reservations, important omissions, and substantive misdirections, I highly recommend Michael Hoffman' article Proto-Rabbinic Tactics of Deceit and their Adoption by Churchmen during the Renaissance (http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2010/03/hoffmans-revisionist-store-newsletters_31.html).
Just as many "Catholics," including prelates, seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of usury, many "Catholics" seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of lying or how one may be an accomplice to grave sins. Where is the love of truth among self-professed Catholics? Is there love of truth in the SSPX? Or has the SSPX been sent the operation of error to believe lies (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=10#x) as 2 Thessalonians 2:10 promises to those who do not love the truth?
We are obligated to consider these questions when the collection plate passes before us lest we become accomplices in the grave sins of others.
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Just as many "Catholics," including prelates, seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of usury, many "Catholics" seem no longer to have a clear understanding of the sin of lying or how one may be an accomplice to grave sins.
Yes, the priests counsel lying.
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In the interview Max Krah said
"There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And in every foundation you need some trustees. It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was chosen by the family who established the foundation, firstly because I am a Traditional Catholic attorney with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional record."
I understand what a trust is and what a trustee is. Is there a lawyer out there who can tell me what "It's a kind of trust" is?
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In the interview Max Krah said
"There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And in every foundation you need some trustees. It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was chosen by the family who established the foundation, firstly because I am a Traditional Catholic attorney with links to the SSPX, and secondly because of my professional record."
I understand what a trust is and what a trustee is. Is there a lawyer out there who can tell me what "It's a kind of trust" is?
Hmm... the Krah puzzler
Do you suppose he really meant, It's a kind of a Fagin's treasure ?
(http://grouptravelorganiser.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/062-GTO-224-3.jpg)
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This isn't Angelqueen.
Gutman, aka, The FAT MAN - seeker of THE BLACK BIRD
(http://www.gonemovies.com/www/WanadooFilms/Misdaad/MalteseGutman.jpg)
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The name Mischa Morgenbesser was mentioned in the 'Krahgate' file.Reading the snippet below reminded me of something. Is it true that Morgenbesser is married to a Rothschild woman or is it an "internet rumour"?
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=200
This final piece of evidence which explains the SSPX Jaidhof corporation is here:
http://www.jaidhof.at/index.php?channel=113&content=1513
The Jaidhof property is ill gotten gains of the Rothschild-Gutmann empire.
Check please.
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The name Mischa Morgenbesser was mentioned in the 'Krahgate' file.Reading the snippet below reminded me of something. Is it true that Morgenbesser is married to a Rothschild woman or is it an "internet rumour"?
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=200
This final piece of evidence which explains the SSPX Jaidhof corporation is here:
http://www.jaidhof.at/index.php?channel=113&content=1513
The Jaidhof property is ill gotten gains of the Rothschild-Gutmann empire.
Check please.
Yes, the woman who donated as heritage the Jaidhof castle and a ton of money to the SSPX, was Jєωιѕн.
I just didn't know she was from the Rothschild clan! But that's an interesting info, John. So maybe Krah and his Jєωιѕн backers thought: "It's 'ours' anyway, so let's get it back..." ?
But also the name "Morgenbesser" sounds Jєωιѕн. It's usually two different German words put together to a strange sounding name.
- In English Morgenbesser would be: Morning-Better
- Or Spielberg would be: Play-Mountain
- Or Einstein would be: One-Stone
- Or Maxkrah would be: Maxi-Crow
Oh, the last one was a joke, isn't it? No I think Krah is a rather Jєωιѕн name, too.
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I am sure that it is lost on nobody that Krah has answered no charges here on CathInfo. No scripted softball interview here. No tolerance here of mental reservations, misdirections, straw man arguments, Judaism/Zionism, pornography, blasphemy, or accomplices in sin.
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To provide the context, here is the piece where Veritas1961 asks Fr Laisney SSPX the following.
http://krahgatefile.blogspot.ie/2011/01/krahgate-reply-to-fr-laisney.html
9. A small but related question: You said that “ he MAY have some Jєωιѕн friends.” “William of Norwich” showed beyond any doubt that he DOES through the link just cited. One question, since I assume that you must know Mr Krah to make these statements, is this: would he happen to be a friend of Mischa Morgenbesser, a lawyer with BADERTSCHER Rechtsanwälte AG (Zurich), who is the sole Hebrew speaker with the firm, the firm that advises the SSPX in relation to Dello Sarto? Do you know if this firm was suggested by Mr Krah to the leadership of the SSPX?
A Mischa Morgenbesser in Zurich is married to a Rotschild. Is this the same Mischa Morgenbesser mentioned in the question to Fr Laisney?. Also a surname is given of Morgenbesser-Rotschild.Are they the same family?
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http://www.onlysimchas.com/v4/index.cfm/fuseaction:simcha.view/simchaid:30156
Birth of
BOY TO MISCHA AND TIKVA MORGENBESSER-ROTHSCHILD
( zürich , Switzerland )
Tuesday, November, 23, 2004
Is this the same Mischa Morgenbesser mentioned in the question posed to Fr Laisney SSPX, who stated Krah sole involvement in the CDU was a donation to (Kloster St Marienthal). Nobody has mentioned this convent until Fr Laisney SSPX did.
10. In your letter you comment: “Note that Mr. Krah's involvement with the CDU consisted in a donation to a convent (Kloster St Marienthal): if that is the only thing you found against him, that is not much to worry.” My dear Father Laisney, this one sentence alone leads to several questions and which, at the same time, raises questions about your actual knowledge and intimacy with the whole affair. Let me explain. Mr Krah’s involvement with the CDU was NOT limited to seeking a donation for the convent of St. Marienthal. If you went to the link given by “William of Norwich” concerning Mr Krah and his actual relations with the CDU, you would see that according to the “Journal of the Dresdener Union” (the July/August 2005 number) Mr Krah was elected the Pressesprecher, Press Officer, for Dresden’s CDU governing committee in June 2005 with 81.66% of the branch’s membership. Moreover, the May 2006 number of the same “Journal” reveals that he had by then become a member of the editorial board of the “Journal.” Mr Krah’s involvement with politics does not concern me greatly beyond the fact that the CDU is neither Christian in any sense worthy of the name, nor is it democratic in any profound sense. But it is clearly anti-Catholic when it wishes to be, as the occasion when Angela Merkel publicly rebuked the Pope about the so-called “rehabilitation” of Mgr Williamson demonstrates – a public scandal about which the SSPX has said little or nothing, made all the more worrying given the cant of the CDU about the “benefits” of the separation of Church and State. I would invite you to check these details for yourself, but since “William of Norwich” posted the CDU/Krah link it has mysteriously disappeared from the internet. However, one brave Catholic soul had the foresight to save the two files about the CDU cited, and they will be posted to”The Complete Krahgate File” in the near future so that you and others may see the facts for yourself.
11. There is, however, one surprising thing in your sentence. You make reference to the Kloster St. Marienthal and say that Krah’s only involvement in the CDU was to seek donations for it. Let us leave aside the fact that the St. Marienthal Convent, the oldest women’s Cistercian monastery in Germany, is a conciliar structure and seems to be more a place for hosting conferences on “Justice, Peace, Ecology” and the rest of the conciliar agenda, than a place full of nuns working out their salvation in prayer and sacrifice; let us leave aside also the fact that one wonders why a person who claims to be a traditional Catholic would seek to raise money for a conciliar structure when undoubtedly there are better claims to be made for SSPX structures in Germany; let us leave aside as well that the Convent in question is less than a hour’s drive from Krah’s home, is incredibly beautiful, a glory to the faith, clearly worth a financial fortune if put on the market, and is run by a “Board of Trustees,” the composition of which I have not been able to identify as yet, and come to one crucial question. At NO POINT in “The Complete Krahgate File” or anywhere else on Ignis Ardens was ANY REFERENCE MADE TO THIS CONVENT AND KRAH MAKING AN APPEAL FOR FUNDS FOR IT! The convent is not mentioned in either of the two CDU files that were available online until they disappeared. So your statement is a piece of information that none of us were aware of, and we would invite you to let us know how you came across this information? It may be of little importance, but given that Mr Krah appears to have many fingers in many pies, one can never be sure that that is so.
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The plot thickens. Questions surrounding the involvement of the Rothschild family in the affairs of the Society are being aired on Ignis Ardens. And as usual a number of people are appearing including Krah fending off accusations of such participation. One wonders what in say ten years the Society will turn into.
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Another Krah bombshell explodes!
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g17489.jpg)
This story is incredible.
Instead of the term "neoSSPX"... SSPXJ (for judaized) may be more appropriate.
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The plot thickens. Questions surrounding the involvement of the Rothschild family in the affairs of the Society are being aired on Ignis Ardens. And as usual a number of people are appearing including Krah fending off accusations of such participation. One wonders what in say ten years the Society will turn into.
I almost forget Wessex, the English Pointer hound.
(http://www.molosserdogs.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10185/english3.jpg)
One of the stealthiest noses still alive on Ignis Ardens.
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I think we are well past the point of moral certitude of the Judaic infiltration.
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The plot thickens. Questions surrounding the involvement of the Rothschild family in the affairs of the Society are being aired on Ignis Ardens. And as usual a number of people are appearing including Krah fending off accusations of such participation. One wonders what in say ten years the Society will turn into.
I almost forget Wessex, the English Pointer hound.
(http://www.molosserdogs.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10185/english3.jpg)
One of the stealthiest noses still alive on Ignis Ardens.
Wow, Incredulous, I almost acquired a Pointer some years ago but opted for a more domesticated Dalmatian instead as I was not into hunting back then. I have a feeling IA may call a halt on more Krah revelations and do another purge. But over 9000 hits on the subject so far is giving the site some publicity .... if it wants it!!!
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I have a feeling IA may call a halt on more Krah revelations and do another purge. But over 9000 hits on the subject so far is giving the site some publicity .... if it wants it!!!
They have just removed the thread.
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I have a feeling IA may call a halt on more Krah revelations and do another purge. But over 9000 hits on the subject so far is giving the site some publicity .... if it wants it!!!
They have just removed the thread.
Apparently this was just a temporary measure and the thread will soon be restored.
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Has the following been posted here? Will the priests of the 'pious union' still attempt to deny the sacraments whilst the Jєωιѕн hand is at work within the SSPX?
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=225
Here is Max Krah with his client, the Rothschild-Gutmann heir, DeBeers relative and SSPX benefactor, Guntard Gutman.
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I stopped giving money to the SSPX after the posting of 'William of Norwich'. There is alot of people now saying, why were we not vocal regarding Bishop Fellay sooner.
At a time like this, I certainly commend 'William of Norwich'.He/she is certainly vindicated
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Freshwater has posted the following.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=250
Just bringing this back to the "interview":
I am of the opinion that the “interview” came at a very curious time. I am of the opinion that this “interview” had to have the approval of Menzingen. I am also of the opinion that Mr. Siscoe asked some very poorly researched questions. I think that his homework was lacking.
For example, he asked Dr. Kr ah :
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Siscoe: There is another company that is mentioned as well, Laetitia AG. Can you tell us about…”.
Anyone who has done their homework, would know it was a lame question.
A far better question has been asked before, regarding the company that is nominated as Auditor for Dello Sarto AG, and that company is Fidartis Revisions AG.
The background of the auditors for Dello Sarto AG:
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Company Auditors:
19-1-09 to 8-6-10 Grant Thornton auditing AG
8-6-10 till present: Fidartis Revisions AG
Interesting facts about Fidartis Revisions AG:
One of the company’s signature authority is a Mr. Peter Josef Müller
Some interesting facts regarding Mr. Peter Josef Müller :-
Director of Company: Laetitia AG since 29-5-09
Administration board signatory of Laetitia AG: Maximilian Kr ah (individual signatory)
Peter Josef Müller replaced Peter Hochstrasser on the Board of Fidartis Revisions AG on the 9-7-10 with him having Joint Signatory Authority. Furthermore, Dello Sarto AG appointed Fidartis Revisions AG as auditors the month previous.
I think that a far better question has been asked previously:
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Can anyone see a potential issue here? There is an obvious red flag when an auditor has a close business relationship with a person who has a single signatory authority within the company that has appointed those auditors. Not suggesting anything inappropriate has occurred, except for the fact that this needs to be noted for any potential conflict of interests.
Dr. Kr ah – are these potential “conflict-of-interest” issues, or are these “close-hand” relationship commonplace AND ethical? Was “Grant Thornton” auditors sacked for a reason, or was it better for the SSPX to have auditors that had closer business ties?
Moving on to the question of Dello Sarto AG.
Here is the question posed:
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Siscoe: Let’s discuss some of the internet rumors. Can you tell us about the company, Dello Sarto AG? What was your affiliation with that company, and the status of that company today?
Kr ah: Yes, the first thing to realize is that a corporation prevents liability. This is something that is widely known and is a common practice for the SSPX, especially in the US. Dello Sarto was established to receive a large inheritance, which was expected to come but never did. So now we have a completely empty corporation that we will shut down. The rumors were complete nonsense…..
Wow – I imagine that this has been a very expensive exercise, that is, setting up an “AG” company along with all its government requirements, having it audited for the past few years, and then shelving it. All for nothing! Incredible!
As an aside, here are the potential companies that can be formed in Switzerland:
See:
http://www.healyconsultants.com/company-in...-formation.html
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Switzerland is one of the most politically and economically stable countries in the world. Switzerland is divided into 23 Cantons, each with its own tax system. There are two types of Swiss companies best suited to foreign investors: the AG (corporation or joint stock company) and a GmbH (limited liability company). The following information will help you determine whether company formation in Switzerland is the optimum corporate structure to fulfill your international objectives.
A Swiss GmbH requires a minimum of two shareholders, while an AG requires three. The minimum capital requirement for a GmbH is CHF20,000 Swiss francs (approximately US$21,000) and CHF100,000 (approximately US$105,000) for an AG company. One director must be resident in Switzerland.
Dr. Kr ah – was it based on your advice that Dello Sarto was established as an “AG” company rather than the lesser “GmbH” type company?
You stated that its purpose was to receive a “large inheritance”. Could you please explain to us ignoramuses of the reasoning behind the establishment of the “AG” style company, and not another “Trust” or “GmbH” type company? Can you please explain the "lack of liability" in the Trust or "GmbH" structures, that justified an "AG" corporation?
Since Dello Sarto AG is a public company, can you tell us who the shareholders/shareholding of the company are (which is not secret, but us plebs need to pay to find out)?
Another question asked by Mr. Siscoe about your MBA programme was poorly researched:
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Siscoe: Another rumor is that the Society paid for your MBA program. Is there any truth to that?
Kr ah: Absolutely not! I paid on my own.
Maybe it was a very carefully worded question, because if Mr. Siscoe had done his homework he would have found that you listed your “Sponsor or employer” for the EMBA-Global programme as Jaidhofer Foundation.
As trustee for the Jaidhofer Foundation, I think that it is fair and reasonable that trustees get paid for the work that they do for the Trust.
So the correct question that Mr. Siscoe should have asked is “Dr. Kr ah, Another rumor is that the Jaidhofer Foundation paid for all or part your MBA program. Is there any truth to that?”
Dr. Kr ah – you call people who love and are concerned about the state of Society of St. Pius X (particularly since 2008/2009 - that must have been a very busy year for you!) “stalkers”. Well, welcome to politics. You wanted to be a politician, but most politicians accept that they are under public scrutiny and have a duty to be open to that scrutiny. You hold a lot of influence with regards to SSPX “management”, and potentially in regards to its direction – in let’s say – its “secular” interests.
Dr. Kr ah – I am of no significance within the SSPX, you are. I can remain anonymous, and it matters none because I have only ever asked about the SSPX business structures – based on published FACTS, which anyone can obtain. I have never questioned your beliefs, values, or associations, outside those SSPX related business structures. You are [now] well known within the Society. The Society has changed, whether we like that or not. That fact is undeniable. It is curious that many major changes happened in 2008/2009 and many of these things were done in secret (well – from the laity and many of the Priests at least). When there is a change in course, a logical thinker has to ask the question: “What’s happened, what’s different?”
Do you say that we shouldn’t be concerned about a perceived abnormality in the situation, or something that is perceived to be suspicious? Or should we just sit back and watch the world go by? Note: I am not blaming you, you have been given directions. In reality, it’s the “management” that should be answering the questions. But since you have been given the liberty (by management) to speak on these matters, I hope that you, out of charity, can answer the above “correct” questions so that concerns can be alleviated.
If these particular questions are ignored, then concerns will remain. And we don't want that do we?
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As the details are dragged into the light of day, it becomes more and more clear that the change agents have relied on those "proto-rabbinic tactics of deceit": mental reservation, misdirection, half-truths, substantive omissions.
"Wedding party fun" used to conceal the Zionism is my favorite.
"Prudence" used to conceal abject submission to the ѕуηαgσgυє's commands is a runner-up.
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"Prudence" used to conceal abject submission to the ѕуηαgσgυє's commands is a runner-up.
It seems "prudent" not to offend the new overlords until one realizes that traditional Catholicism cannot exist in under these particular overlords. Catholics supporting families may not be able to speak out publicly, but they can teach their children the truth.
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based on published FACTS, which anyone can obtain.
A key point concerning 'Krahgate'. I certainly would not have contacted some SSPX priests if I believed the information to be "internet rumour".
The question remains will Krah, a public figure of influence in the Society answer the questions that Freshwater posted on IA.
Can we alleviate the concerns once and for all?The poorly researched Siscoe article that many believe Menzingen approved of raised many further concerns.
These points by Freshwater is very good.
Dr. Kr ah – you call people who love and are concerned about the state of Society of St. Pius X (particularly since 2008/2009 - that must have been a very busy year for you!) “stalkers”. Well, welcome to politics. You wanted to be a politician, but most politicians accept that they are under public scrutiny and have a duty to be open to that scrutiny. You hold a lot of influence with regards to SSPX “management”, and potentially in regards to its direction – in let’s say – its “secular” interests.
The Society has changed, whether we like that or not. That fact is undeniable. It is curious that many major changes happened in 2008/2009 and many of these things were done in secret (well – from the laity and many of the Priests at least). When there is a change in course, a logical thinker has to ask the question: “What’s happened, what’s different?”
Do you say that we shouldn’t be concerned about a perceived abnormality in the situation, or something that is perceived to be suspicious? Or should we just sit back and watch the world go by? Note: I am not blaming you, you have been given directions. In reality, it’s the “management” that should be answering the questions. But since you have been given the liberty (by management) to speak on these matters, I hope that you, out of charity, can answer the above “correct” questions so that concerns can be alleviated.
If these particular questions are ignored, then concerns will remain. And we don't want that do we?
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The word is spreading.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11268
Have you all read the latest Remnant Newspaper article on the interview with "He who shall remain nameless"?
Indeed we have,Dolorosa.
There is broad agreement with this analysis from Freshwater
I am of the opinion that the “interview” came at a very curious time. I am of the opinion that this “interview” had to have the approval of Menzingen. I am also of the opinion that Mr. Siscoe asked some very poorly researched questions. I think that his homework was lacking.
The interview raised many new questions and the concerns have not been alleviated.
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Of course William of Norwich first posted to Angel Queen forum in November 2010. To expand upon the point made by Freshwater the facts are published.
Every type of smear was thrown at the Krah team. Some priests dismissed facts as "internet rumour". I believe, they dismissed facts more out of worry and to save face though now William of Norwich is certainly vindicated.
With Bishop Williamson expelled and the discussions ongoing, the critics of the Krah team are very silent.
When the cleric tried to treat me like a child as if I had just believed an 'internet rumour', I pointed out that point a can be proven as can point b. I did dislike being treated in this manner by a Society priest when I was expressing my concern for their future.
I am consoled though that he is one of the better Society priests. This stands to him.
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Michael Hoffman weighs on the interview [link: http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/interview-with-zionist-agent-maximilian.html]
Thursday, November 01, 2012
Interview with Zionist agent Maximilian Krah
(Krah is the attorney for the Society of Saint Pius X as administered by Bishop Bernard Fellay)
Editor's Note: Bishop Fellay is the prelate who expelled Bishop Richard Williamson from the SSPX. Maximilian Krah is the attorney who was assigned by Fellay to "defend" Bishop Williamson against prosecution in Germany for blaspheming the sacred relics of the religion of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity, which is illegal in the German state. In the course of "defending" Williamson Krah actually attacked and insulted him in front of the German court.
Krah is an associate of the murderous Israeli army and has attended an Israeli army training event as a "tourist" as well as a fund-raiser for Tel Aviv University. He assures the interviewer that this all very innocent on his part.
Krah claims that Williamson was given Pressac's report on the alleged homicidal gas chambers to study "for a year" but he "failed" to do so. What actually transpired was that Bishop Williamson made contact with a revisionist researcher after a worldwide explosion of media venom was directed at him after he granted, on German soil, an interview with a Swedish television station. In the course of the interview he did not "deny the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst." He questioned the existence of homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz-Birkenau.
As the media lynch mob grew in intensity, Bishop Williamson wanted to have access to the latest revisionist research on the subject of the gas chambers. The revisionist researcher he contacted in turn organized an international team of researchers and historians, led by an American editor (who I do not have permission to name), other youtheful revisionist historians, as well as the eminent Dr. Arthur Butz and Dr. Robert Faurisson.
Bishop Williamson carefully studied the docuмents and texts these scholars kindly made available to him. These included large portions of the Pressac material, because Pressac, toward the end of his life, threw up his hands in frustration and disgust over trying to scientifically prove the existence of homicidal gas chambers. Yet Mr. Krah is either too ignorant or too duplicitous to acknowledge Pressac's failure and instead invokes Pressac as a means of discrediting Williamson's skepticism toward the gas chamber dogma.
Why didn't Krah and Fellay study the books of Faurisson, Butz, Samuel Crowell, Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf and Fred Leuchter? Why was the burden of reading and study on Williamson alone? Why does the Catholic Church sanctify and unquestioningly uphold secular consensus history that has no bearing on the Faith of Jesus Christ? Indeed, some would say that Auschwitz has replaced Calvary as the central ontological event of western history. In Europe there are no laws against blaspheming Jesus Christ or denying His resurrection. Only the relics of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity are protected from scrutiny in Europe by the threat of criminal prosecution. h0Ɩ0cαųstianity is the de facto civil religion of Europe; the last truly believed religion in that otherwise largely agnostic continent.
In the interview Krah claims that the Israeli Zionists are the defenders of Christian shrines in the Holy Land. Krah makes no mention of the Israeli attacks on the Church of the Nativity during the Israeli h0Ɩ0cαųst in Jenin, during which the Church of the Nativity was shot up by Israeli soldiers and others churches bombed. He makes no mention of the large number of Palestinian Christians who have been driven out of Palestine or murdered by the Israelis. He makes no mention of the constant vandalism and assaults on Christian Churches by тαℓмυdic terrorists. He makes no mention of the fact that Christian misionary activity is banned in the Israeli state. Spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the land of Christ is forbidden by the Israelis, but Krah praises them. He writes, "And there is also a rising group of so-called Hebrew Catholics, who are converted Israeli Citizens."
Really, Mr. Krah? Who converted them and where were they converted? Where do they reside in the Israeli state and where is there home church in the Israeli state?
Has Mr. Krah bothered to ask native Palestinian Christians who they would rather be ruled by -- fellow Palestinians or Israelis? The Palestinians have no voice in Krah's obsequiously Zionist narrative.
In Maximillian Krah we have a very serious and committed Zionist agent operating inside the highest levels of the SSPX, by Bishop Fellay's mandate.
The following interview with Mr. Krah was published in The Remnant newspaper. The Remnant's senior adviser is Mr. Christopher Ferrara who has excoriated Bishop Williamson. It seems that Mr. Ferrara knows for a fact that large numbers of people were gassed to death in Auschwitz. He also knows for a fact that it was Arab terrorists from the caves of Afghanistan who brought down the World Trade Center, and Building Seven of the WTC. Using the publishing facilities of the Remnant, Mr. Ferrara has heaped abuse and contempt on Bishop Williamson for doubting execution gas chambers and believing that 9/11 was an inside job.
The Church of Jesus Christ is called to be counter-cultural; a pilgrim church in the midst of worldly people and their lies and hoaxes. Yet we observe in both the Vatican and the SSPX an imprimatur extended to establishment propaganda which is made holy and incuмbent upon Catholics to believe, on pain of expulsion. This is truly a perversion of everything for which Jesus Christ stood. The fact that Bishop Bernard Fellay has Zionist agent Krah installed in the inner circle of the SSPX tells us all we need to know about Fellay and the current direction of his "traditional Catholic" SSPX. --Michael Hoffman www.revisionisthistory.org
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http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-rothschild-gutmann-money-behind.html
The Rothschild-Gutmann Money Behind the SSPX Kosher Imperative
(All images below may be enlarged by clicking on them)
'The Remnant' has published an 'interview' with SSPX lawyer and asset manager Maximillian Krah in which he makes a statement regarding his involvement with a Jaidhofer Foundation:
Siscoe: Another company name that is mentioned is Jaidhofer Foundation. Can you discuss this company?
Krah: Yes, this is linked with the SSPX ... There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX. And in every foundation you need some trustees. It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees. I was chosen by the family who established the foundation ... This foundation is supporting the SSPX and using the money which was donated by this family. As an example, it is supporting the new Seminary project in Virginia ...
Below is a picture of Maximillian Krah at Jaidhof with members of the Austrian Gutmann family he describes above as benefactors of the SSPX:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-30JPUudOOWI/UJLvVODtkgI/AAAAAAAAA30/hiModH0mtUk/s400/Jaidhof%2BChapel%2BKrah%2BGutmann)
http://www.meinbezirk.at/krems-an-der-donau/chronik/jaidhof-hat-neue-park-kapelle-d182795.html
From the Rothschild family archive we find some background on the Gutmann family and how its wealth was amassed:
The steel heart of Czechoslovakia, as Frankova names it, was once owned by the Austrian Rothschilds, in partnership with the Gutmann brothers [Wilhelm and David] ... It is Salomon von Rothschild who, in 1844, bought the iron works, and founded the United Coal Mines of Vítkovice and Austro-Hungarian Blast Furnace Company ... Salomon’s English cousins helped fund the creation of De Beers in 1887.
http://www.rothschildarchive.org/ib/?doc=/ib/articles/vitkovice
The Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia gives us the proper name of the Gutmanns who partnered with Salomon Rothschild:
GUTMANN, WILHELM, RITTER VON: ...In 1853 he and his brother David established the firm which, during the war of 1859-60, despite the difficulties then surrounding business ventures, supplied coal for all the railroads, for all the great factories throughout the empire, and for the cities of Vienna, Budapest, and Brünn. Gutmann Bros. leased some coal-mines from the Rothschilds in 1865, and purchased outright other valuable carboniferous properties in Silesia, Galicia, and Hungary. The close connection between coal and the production of iron easily led the Gutmanns to combine their interests with the Witkowitz iron-works, which they afterward owned conjointly with the Rothschilds and the counts Larisch and Andrassy. With Kuffner they built (1871) the first sugar-factory in Austria ...
http://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/articles/6962-gutmann-wilhelm-ritter-von
From the Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia we find that Wilhelm von Gutmann partnered with the Rothschilds in financing a rabbinical seminary in Vienna:
ISRAELITISCH-THEOLOGISCHE LEHRANSTALT: Rabbinical and teachers' seminary in Vienna, founded 1893 at the suggestion of Wilhelm and David von Guttmann and with the assistance of Albert von Rothschild and Freiherr von Königswarter, and opened Oct. 15 of that year. It is subventioned by the Austrian government, by the "Cultusgemeinden" of Vienna, Prague, and Lemberg, and by the "Landesjudenschaft" of Bohemia, and is governed by fifteen curators. The first president was Baron von Königswarter, who, at his death, was succeeded by Moritz Karpeles; the latter was followed by Moritz Edler von Kuffner.
http://www.Jєωιѕнencyclopedia.com/articles/8305-israelitisch-theologische-lehranstalt
From an obituary for one of Wilhelm von Gutmann's sons, Moritz, we find that he was a relative of the Rothschilds of Vienna:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WHYq81RKaa0/UJLU3LkwNII/AAAAAAAAA2c/-iWfK9_ShY8/s400/Baron%2BMortiz%2BVon%2BGuttman%252C%2BVienna%2BJew%252C%2BCoal%2BKing%252C%2BDies_1351799956608)
http://archive.jta.org/article/1934/07/15/2816446/baron-mortiz-von-guttman-vienna-jew-coal-king-dies
Below is a historical overview of the Gutmann family and its ownership of the Jaidhof property, which the Austrian branch of the SSPX is based from, beginning with the Rothschild partner Wilhelm Ritter von Gutmann bringing us to the present heir Guntard Gutmann who is pictured above with Maximillian Krah at an SSPX chapel on the Jaidhof grounds:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q6hLu4XQVzY/UJLOT-cHFsI/AAAAAAAAA1E/-ewDk3sJsvA/s400/Jaidhof%2Bfamily%2Bhistory%2B)
http://www.altes-eishaus.at/familie%20gutmann.htm
Below is a brief history of the Jaidhof property and its ownership including how the Jaidhof castle was given to the SSPX by the Gutmann family:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EpSSy2StYkQ/UJLRCtpo1pI/AAAAAAAAA1w/WGqQjIHXCOc/s400/SSPX%2BGutmann%2BJaidhof%2Bcastle.png)
http://www.jaidhof.at/index.php?channel=113&content=1513
Below is a webpage from a "Europa Institute" which Guntard Gutmann seems to serve as an advisor on matters including think tanks and economics. He's credited as working for many years as an international banker. This Europa Institute seems to be associated with the Acton Institute which serves to acclimate Catholics to predatory economics and 'neo-con' politics. It's figurehead, Fr. Sirico officiated at the first ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 'marriage' in the U.S:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ffqoMqCdmbc/UJLgAqKQYlI/AAAAAAAAA3I/FBjgw6A1wJY/s400/Gutmann%2BEuropa%2BActon)
http://www.europainstitut.at/mitarbeiter/mitarbeiter_detail.php?ID=31
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(http://media05.regionaut.meinbezirk.at/2012/05/18/1301938_web.jpg?1337340581)
This is the exact photo where Ignis Ardens moderator, "Clare" claimed that Max, "... obviously wasn't Jєωιѕн".
Perhaps the thinking was: Stage a Priest and a statue of St. Joseph in the middle of a PR image, and the goy will fall for it everytime.
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What the inner circle is passing off as "wedding party fun":
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hCVHMDNhMr8/T9kS2F7tetI/AAAAAAAAAl0/LG69E_FjmnA/s1600/Krah_Magalan3.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-grJJhTnUfuI/T9kS2QdhTtI/AAAAAAAAAl8/1mJovf9K7C4/s1600/Krah_Magalan4.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-38AAo_ndoFk/T9kS3S2j6uI/AAAAAAAAAmM/tNBDnk7J4MQ/s1600/Krah_Magalan6.JPG)
Catholics have long flashed the "V for Victory" sign and worn Maglan Special Forces berets at weddings to honor murderers who violate Catholic holy places and who indiscriminately rain white phosphorous on women and children, right?
Well, at least since "Elder Brother" Shoah Theology reigns supreme at the SSPX anyway.
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24 pages trying to prove Max Krah is Jєωιѕн???? :facepalm:
We're hopeless.
The Neo-Caths will march on and toss us aside like yesterday's news while we kill each other over trivia.
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24 pages trying to prove Max Krah is Jєωιѕн???? :facepalm:
We're hopeless.
The Neo-Caths will march on and toss us aside like yesterday's news while we kill each other over trivia.
Not an intelligent post at all Stevus.
Very stupid, and frankly, intellectually dishonest.
If you're not willing to oppose the successors to the Pharisees and their power in this world, you cannot be a Christian.
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http://www.haaretz.com/Jєωιѕн-world/2.209/west-bank-rabbi-jews-can-kill-gentiles-who-threaten-israel-1.4496
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
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Catholic Tradition cannot survive unless it is willing to confront the evil of this pro-child murder cult (pro-abortion, pro-full term abortion) and its subversive activities.
I will put an extra effort into exposing the satanic evil of this group of whom Pope St. Pius V said:
"Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease."
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(http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834522bcd69e201156f395f6c970b-300wi)
"One Shot - Two Kills" [2]: It's Not Just A Slogan On A T-Shirt"
Palestinian mothers in labor and/or their newborn babies, who died at Israeli checkpoints while denied passage to Palestinian hospitals:
8 Sept 2001 – The baby of Amneh Abdel-Karim Safadi (aged 19), who died when the mother was stopped for five hours at the Huwwara checkpoint, en route to Alitihad hospital in Nablus.
24 Sept 2001 - Omaya Hmad allahOmrran (25) suffered a hemorrhage and died on the way to hospital in Nablus. Her journey of 20km took five hours because of delays at Israeli checkpoints.
19 Oct 2001 - Rihab Noufal (30) was refused permission to pass through Al-Khader checkpoint to reach hospital in Bethlehem, even though she was in labor. Mother and baby died at checkpoint.
22 Oct 2001 - Rawida Naji El-Rashid and her husband, Nasser, had been trying to conceive for five and a half years, when Rawida became pregnant following a course of fertility treatment. In her seventh month of pregnancy, she went into labor, after which she and Nasser tried to reach the hospital. At first they tried to drive via the Wallajeh army checkpoint, at 9:30 am in a private car. For 10 minutes her husband, Nasser, tried to convince the soldiers to his wife was in labor. They laughed at him and forbade him passage. The couple returned home and changed the car and again 20 minutes of argument were to no avail. They decided to bypass the checkpoint through dirt tracks. The journey took an hour and a half: on the way Rawida gave birth to a premature baby, who weighed 1416 grams - a weight which has good chances for survival, given good care. But the baby arrived at the hospital too late, in severe condition, with low body temperature. The doctor’s attempts to save it were futile, and it died an hour after admission.
9 Dec 2001 - The baby of Ne'meh Yousef Saleh. Ne’meh was pregnant with twins, but suffered a hemorrhage and needed to be transferred to hospital in Nablus. The ambulance dispatched for her from Nablus Hospital was held at an IDF checkpoint for more than three hours, resulting in the death of one of the twins.
25 Dec 2001 – The baby of Kheyreia Ibrahem. The mother was in labor but she was prevented from crossing the checkpoints to reach hospital. The baby died after being delivered instead at a local private clinic, which lacked facilities for premature care.
26 Feb 2002 – The baby of Samar Taufiq Hamdon (31) died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint while trying to reach hospital.
2 Mar 2002 - The baby of In'am Yousif Abdel Ghani Salah (26) died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint while trying to reach hospital.
9 Mar 2002 - Rana Adel Abdel Rahim Hamad (17) died when delayed at an IDF checkpoint while trying to reach hospital. Baby also died.
2 Apr 2002 – The baby of Halima Mohammed Hussien al-'Atrash (40) died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint while trying to reach hospital.
28 Apr 2002 – The baby of Wijdan Elias al-Qadi (37) died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint while trying to reach hospital.
25 May 2002 – The baby of Faida Najajrah died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint near al-Khader, while trying to reach hospital.
31 July 2002 – Lila Hussam Bihary (18) died in labor at Qalqilya checkpoint, after being refused permission to pass.
29 Aug 2002 – The baby of Itidal Yasser Abu Aram died when the mother was delayed at an IDF checkpoint.
25 May 2002 – Aadleh Abdeljabar Saify delivered her baby at a checkpoint in Nablus, because the soldiers manning the checkpoint refused to allow her ambulance to pass. Baby died.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2009/03/one-shot-two
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ADL Disappointed With Supreme Court Ruling On Partial Birth Abortion Act
New York, NY, April 19, 2007 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) issued the following statement expressing its disappointment at the Supreme Court's ruling upholding the federal Partial Birth Abortion Act:
We are deeply troubled by the ramifications of the Supreme Court's ruling on abortion. By upholding, for the first time, an abortion statute which contains no exception for the health of the woman, the Supreme Court has undermined a woman's right to choose and to act in accordance with her conscience and the dictates of her faith.
We continue to believe that Americans should have the freedom to make difficult decisions of conscience and health without government interference.
ADL joined an amicus brief in the case . . .
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5024_32.htm
(http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/rollovers/animationpbaa.gif)
The ADL doesn't exist to "attack antisemitism" - but rather to defend CHILD MURDER as a PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.
IN THE SAME WAY IT EXISTS TO SUBVERT CATHOLIC TRADITION.
"We are confident that Pope Benedict XVI will continue to require the Society of St. Pius X, which espouses anti-Semitic and anti-Jєωιѕн beliefs, to publicly accept the [conciliar - tele]church's positive teachings about Jews and Judaism since the 1965 Second Vatican Council, before fully accepting them back into the Roman Catholic Church."
-ABE FOXMAN
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The Philistines have sent their "big boy" out to threaten those exposing the pernicious influence of pro-Zionism on Catholic Tradition.
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I could hardly care whether Krah was Jєωιѕн or not. What's most important is his disturbing connections and his rabid Zionism.
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I could hardly care whether Krah was Jєωιѕн or not. What's most important is his disturbing connections and his rabid Zionism.
It should be pointed out, no one would care at all about this personality if it were not for the high profile position of this person, particularly in the case of Bishop Williamson, which is world news.
Bishop Williamson said this:
As for my changing lawyers four times, the Society's Superior General originally entrusted my defence to the Society's lawyer, Maximilian Krah, who chose to engage Matthias Lossmann, a member of the, alas, anti-Catholic Green Party. He was conscientious but perhaps not too enthusiastic about the case. Through friends, I discovered a lawyer enthusiastic and highly successful in defending such delicate cases, Wolfram Nahrath, but Lossmann was unwilling to work with him. Seeking only the best legal counsel available to me in my quandary, I switched from Lossmann to Nahrath.
World Jєωιѕн organizations, world leaders like Merkel, etc, have used menacing language towards the Pope and demanded the punishment of Bishop Williamson. This person defends the ADL as an organization devoted to "attacking antisemitic behavior" and shows public support for Merkel, as well as being in her political party. He is known to have pro-Zionist sympathies, as has been indicated in his blog where he praised miniskirts as though they were part of some sort of "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" value system. Not to mention he has attended fundraisers for Tel Aviv University and has spent some time at an Israeli military camp. Perhaps those people gave him some fitness tips.
I don't harbor any malice towards this personality. I don't care about him personally. What I care about is the involvement in Catholic traditionalism, particularly with regard to Bishop Williamson's legal representation. Bishop Williamson, given a lawyer from a leftist party - by a man with Zionist sympathies, and threatened in the world press with expulsion from the SSPX if he did not fire the lawyer (Nahrath) he hired to replace the choice this Society lawyer made for him. Public admiration of performers notorious for propagating impurity and blasephemy in the media seems to me totally incompatible with an "unimpeachable" Catholic identity. That being said, it wouldn't matter at all if it weren't for the high profile role in the "defense" of Bishop Williamson and in the SSPX generally.
I hold Bishop Fellay responsible for this situation, which I consider to be a grievous act of treachery against his brother bishop, against Archbishop Lefebvre, and against Catholic Tradition.
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The revelations about connection to Rothschild money make it impossible to take seriously any claim that +Fellay's actions are merely a matter of misjudgment.
How can anyone read the evidence other than he is a sleeper agent/change agent?
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Not an intelligent post at all Stevus.
Very stupid, and frankly, intellectually dishonest.
Well stated, telephorus. Have the recent pertinent questions of Freshwater been answered? Stevus has certainly missed the point in this important thread.
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Not an intelligent post at all Stevus.
Very stupid, and frankly, intellectually dishonest.
Well stated, telephorus. Have the recent pertinent questions of Freshwater been answered? Stevus has certainly missed the point in this important thread.
Stevus has always been afraid of the issue of the Jєωιѕн hostility to Our Lord.
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Columba has posted this on IA.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278
This topic is a includes contents from posts on the Kr_ah Remnant interview thread. Additionally, forum member Freshwater finds financial inconsistencies disclosed by Kr_ah here, not included in this topic.
Dr. Kr_ah,
In the Remnant interview, you stated that you were chosen by the Jaidhofer Foundation donor family to serve as trustee of their SSPX-supporting non-profit foundation. This family was subsequently identified in the related thread as the von Gutmanns of Austria. Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz has stated that you were involved with an 80 million Euro inheritance recieved in Austria from Baroness von Gutmann.
Unfortunately, the von Gutmanns are (perhaps inadvertently) now mixed up in a war against SSPX hardliners by the leadership over whether to proceed toward a deal with Rome at this time. If the von Gutmanns did not intend to become involved, then you Dr. Kr_ah are responsible. Since the family appointed you as trustee of their foundation, you represent them and should have shielded them from potential blow-back of this struggle by limiting your involvement or at least keeping it secret.
Questions asked by SSPX followers include:
Is the Jaidhofer Foundation family that of the deceased Baroness Rosa von Gutmann as described in this translation from the July, 2012 edition of "Region Kampseen" ? (courtesy of MauricePinay)
Were you or your fellow trustee Dr. Nicholas Ankershofen professionally involved with the SSPX prior to the von Gutmann designation.
Do you and Dr. Ankershofen have discretion over disbursement of funds to the SSPX?
Do Dr. Ankershofen or the von Gutmanns share your Zionist beliefs and were these beliefs a factor in your selection as trustee?
Do the von Gutmann heirs retain ultimate control over the Jaidhofer Foundation?
Have you or the von Gutmanns influenced the SSPX to distance itself from +Williamson or pursue regularization?
Do the von Gutmanns approve of your ongoing public attacks against Bishop Williamson?
If you were not employed by the SSPX prior to your trusteeship, then the von Gutmanns are unfortunately responsible for elevating to SSPX "management" the orchestrator of the Menzingen media attack against Bishop Williamson. If you do have discretion over disbursements to Menzingen, then your vigorous public support for Zionism puts the motivations for the heated denunciations of +Williamson into question. If the von Gutmanns did not ask you, as their designated trustee, to stop publicly attacking Bishop Williamson, then they share some responsibility for these attacks.
It is too bad the von Gutmanns did not restrain you earlier. Perhaps they never expected their association with you to become widely known. If the von Gutmanns do not now dissociate themselves from the anti-Williamson campaign, they become notoriously connected because of your central role in it. If the von Gutmanns are involved and they retain control of the Jaidhofer Foundation, they would be like a dog wagging the Menzingen tail with 80 million Euros worth of clout. +Fellay could not proceed along his path of radical change while at the same time keeping the money without von Gutmann acquiescence, at the very least.
You have have recently posted on this forum and stated that you regularly monitor postings by traditionalists concerning your activities. Fr. Rostand has recently stated that he and other SSPX officials also regularly monitor the trad forums. One can reasonably expect that you will learn of the circuмstantial evidence presented on this forum linking the von Gutmanns with the anti-Williamson campaign. You have the means to relay said evidence to the family. If there is no clarification forthcoming regarding these apparent linkages exposed by the occasion of your interview, the evidence is further validated. Silence in this case would equal consent or no contest. Traditionalists who interpret the recent changes in the Society as an attack against the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre would thereby have justification to suspect the von Gutmanns as one of the primary instigators.
There is a war against Bishop Williamson and the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, but it is necessary to avoid harming noncombatants according to the rules of Just War theory. If anyone finds the circuмstantial linkages between the von Gutmanns and the anti-Williamson campaign to be wrong (detraction or calumny) or exaggerated, please make known you concerns.
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Fantastic and well stated, MP.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278
QUOTE (HMiS @ Nov 2 2012, 12:10 PM)
Come on, guys. Stop this. It's becoming ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is defenders of usurers attempting to usurp the moral high ground which they're as undeserving of as the Rothschild-Gutmann empire is of its usurious wealth.
That's why Guntard Gutmann would be associated with the Acton Institute, to make predatory economics appear virtuous and lightsome in the eyes of Christians. Our culture is rotten with this satanic libertarian conjunction of opposites philosophy of greed-virtue.
The perennial teaching of the Church is that usurers and heirs of usurers who do not return their ill-gotten wealth are not in communion with the Church. They're not absolved of their sins and they don't receive a Christian burial.
That's traditional Catholicism, and not the Borgia/court 'Jew' variety that so many seem to yearn for.
It's rudimentary that understanding of corrupt prelates and politicians comes by following the money, and that we have done. Our understanding of the SSPX's tune has been improved immeasurably by knowing who pays them to play. Our detractors would have us remain ignorant of this primary matter.
And anyhow, Kr$h alleged that everything related to the Jaidhof Foundation was completely transparent, so there's no basis for all this wailing.
It's far from becoming ridiculous, this information is no "internet rumour", it has nothing got to do with 'sedevacantism".
Will Society priests continue to take the moral high ground whilst the concerns have not been alleviated?
This grave matter will not be dismissed as "internet rumour", "conspiracy theory" This information is published facts
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Great reply to Patricius here from Nemmersdorf
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11270&st=50
QUOTE (PATRICIUS @ Nov 2 2012, 12:13 PM)
No Seraphim, just grow a pair. It wasn't unreasonable of me to expect you to reveal yourself once I had done as you asked. And since you refused, I only proved to you how easy it was for anyone to get someone's real identity if they wanted.
I think the resistance is gutless,nutless and spineless. None of you have the balls to declare this war upon Menzingen in your own names. Why, because you're scared you might be booted from an SSPX chapel? Why attend an SSPX chapel?
Excuse me Mr Patricius, several people have written letters, articles and they have signed them: To give only a few examples: Michael Hoffmann who has written two articles, Father Nitoglia, Father Meramo, Jérôme Bourbon who wrote at least two articles in defence of Bishop Williamson in his known French monarchist magazine, Rivarol, and all the people who wrote to Bishop Fellay and district superiors in their own names...telling them how shameful it was to expulse a Bishop consecrated by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, whose only "fault" was to stand for the Truth and to oppose a deal with conciliar Rome.
It is normal and accepted that in a forum the identity of members is not disclosed; there are other ways to protest with our real name!
The resistance are far from being 'gutless,nutless and spineless'. Several hundred in Britain alone sent a letter to Bishop Fellay opposing the agreement.District Superiors and many priests have written.Yes, hundreds have expressed outrage over the expulsion of Bishop Williamson.
Patricius is very much mistaken if he believes the resistance to be 'gutless,nutless and spineless'.
The resistance continues and comments like this from Patricius will drive it upwards and onwards.
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Great reply to Patricius here from Nemmersdorf
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11270&st=50
QUOTE (PATRICIUS @ Nov 2 2012, 12:13 PM)
No Seraphim, just grow a pair. It wasn't unreasonable of me to expect you to reveal yourself once I had done as you asked. And since you refused, I only proved to you how easy it was for anyone to get someone's real identity if they wanted.
I think the resistance is gutless,nutless and spineless. None of you have the balls to declare this war upon Menzingen in your own names. Why, because you're scared you might be booted from an SSPX chapel? Why attend an SSPX chapel?
Excuse me Mr Patricius, several people have written letters, articles and they have signed them: To give only a few examples: Michael Hoffmann who has written two articles, Father Nitoglia, Father Meramo, Jérôme Bourbon who wrote at least two articles in defence of Bishop Williamson in his known French monarchist magazine, Rivarol, and all the people who wrote to Bishop Fellay and district superiors in their own names...telling them how shameful it was to expulse a Bishop consecrated by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, whose only "fault" was to stand for the Truth and to oppose a deal with conciliar Rome.
It is normal and accepted that in a forum the identity of members is not disclosed; there are other ways to protest with our real name!
The resistance are far from being 'gutless,nutless and spineless'. Several hundred in Britain alone sent a letter to Bishop Fellay opposing the agreement.District Superiors and many priests have written.Yes, hundreds have expressed outrage over the expulsion of Bishop Williamson.
Patricius is very much mistaken if he believes the resistance to be 'gutless,nutless and spineless'.
The resistance continues and comments like this from Patricius will drive it upwards and onwards.
It looks like a game of tag Patrick and Mizz Romano are playing. Her responses to Seraphim have an aroma of arrogance. I question her true motives in wanting people to use their real names as her arguments are so moronic they are painful to read.
Come to think of it she never used her real name until she chose to leave the Society for good and was certain she had the Sacraments coming to her from elsewhere.
Hypocrisy or just a coincidence?
Hard to follow the advice of one who wants others to reveal their true identities but who themselves having done so had nothing to lose when they finally decided to reveal theirs.
:confused1:
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The French speaking world continues to discuss "L’affaire Krah : les dessous de l’affaire Williamson"
02/11/2012
http://www.les-intransigeants.com/2012/11/laffaire-krah-les-dessous-de-laffaire-williamson/
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Columba has posted this on IA.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278
This topic is a includes contents from posts on the Kr_ah Remnant interview thread. Additionally, forum member Freshwater finds financial inconsistencies disclosed by Kr_ah here, not included in this topic.
Dr. Kr_ah,
In the Remnant interview, you stated ...that you were chosen by the Jaidhofer Foundation donor family to serve as trustee of their SSPX-supporting non-profit foundation. This family was subsequently identified in the related thread as the von Gutmanns of Austria. Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz has stated that you were involved with an 80 million Euro inheritance recieved in Austria from Baroness von Gutmann....
Wow! Excellent material. I was wondering how they were going to come up with the $60 million to build the Virginia seminary. Now it is clear.
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quo vadis:
I could hardly care whether Krah was Jєωιѕн or not. What's most important is his disturbing connections and his rabid Zionism.
I disagree. I think his ethnic lineage is very important. He may have been born Catholic, and baptized Catholic as he affirms. But, then again, he may be a lying jew. Jews are liars. I think it is very important to know what his roots are. Sorry, but for you to say that you care less, I think, is disingenuous.
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My point is that regardless of being Jew or not, any person who is a rabid Zionist controlling SSPX finance who is hobnobbing with Jєωιѕн personages (Gentile or not) is the worry. The race doesn't really matter. I'd say the same of any non-Jew who is also a rabid Zionist and/or тαℓмυdist (Reuchlin being one example).
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The French speaking world continues to discuss "L’affaire Krah : les dessous de l’affaire Williamson"
02/11/2012
http://www.les-intransigeants.com/2012/11/laffaire-krah-les-dessous-de-laffaire-williamson/
And also Michael Hoffmann
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.in/2012/11/interview-with-zionist-agent-maximilian.html
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QUOTE (HMiS @ Nov 2 2012, 01:21 PM)
The von Gutmann family has nothing to answer for, with all due respect. Merely because of ancestry?
Columba.
This is ridiculous and verges on calumny. None of my questions contain reference, implied or otherwise, to Jєωιѕн ancestry.
Thanks again to Columba for posing the pertinent questions.
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James
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278&st=0
Are you PoG/DO/WoN etc. or may be there is an Irish connection in Derek Holland/John Grace.
Whilst I have the highest regard for Derek Holland, I am not Derek Holland. James is making a false claim here. I would appreciate if 'James' did apologise to Derek Holland. I would be much obliged if this could be corrected on Ignis Ardens.
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Has James any comment on this?
This topic is a includes contents from posts on the Kr_ah Remnant interview thread. Additionally, forum member Freshwater finds financial inconsistencies disclosed by Kr_ah here, not included in this topic.
Dr. Kr_ah,
In the Remnant interview, you stated that you were chosen by the Jaidhofer Foundation donor family to serve as trustee of their SSPX-supporting non-profit foundation. This family was subsequently identified in the related thread as the von Gutmanns of Austria. Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz has stated that you were involved with an 80 million Euro inheritance recieved in Austria from Baroness von Gutmann.
Unfortunately, the von Gutmanns are (perhaps inadvertently) now mixed up in a war against SSPX hardliners by the leadership over whether to proceed toward a deal with Rome at this time. If the von Gutmanns did not intend to become involved, then you Dr. Kr_ah are responsible. Since the family appointed you as trustee of their foundation, you represent them and should have shielded them from potential blow-back of this struggle by limiting your involvement or at least keeping it secret.
Questions asked by SSPX followers include:
Is the Jaidhofer Foundation family that of the deceased Baroness Rosa von Gutmann as described in this translation from the July, 2012 edition of "Region Kampseen" ? (courtesy of MauricePinay)
Were you or your fellow trustee Dr. Nicholas Ankershofen professionally involved with the SSPX prior to the von Gutmann designation.
Do you and Dr. Ankershofen have discretion over disbursement of funds to the SSPX?
Do Dr. Ankershofen or the von Gutmanns share your Zionist beliefs and were these beliefs a factor in your selection as trustee?
Do the von Gutmann heirs retain ultimate control over the Jaidhofer Foundation?
Have you or the von Gutmanns influenced the SSPX to distance itself from +Williamson or pursue regularization?
Do the von Gutmanns approve of your ongoing public attacks against Bishop Williamson?
If you were not employed by the SSPX prior to your trusteeship, then the von Gutmanns are unfortunately responsible for elevating to SSPX "management" the orchestrator of the Menzingen media attack against Bishop Williamson. If you do have discretion over disbursements to Menzingen, then your vigorous public support for Zionism puts the motivations for the heated denunciations of +Williamson into question. If the von Gutmanns did not ask you, as their designated trustee, to stop publicly attacking Bishop Williamson, then they share some responsibility for these attacks.
It is too bad the von Gutmanns did not restrain you earlier. Perhaps they never expected their association with you to become widely known. If the von Gutmanns do not now dissociate themselves from the anti-Williamson campaign, they become notoriously connected because of your central role in it. If the von Gutmanns are involved and they retain control of the Jaidhofer Foundation, they would be like a dog wagging the Menzingen tail with 80 million Euros worth of clout. +Fellay could not proceed along his path of radical change while at the same time keeping the money without von Gutmann acquiescence, at the very least.
You have have recently posted on this forum and stated that you regularly monitor postings by traditionalists concerning your activities. Fr. Rostand has recently stated that he and other SSPX officials also regularly monitor the trad forums. One can reasonably expect that you will learn of the circuмstantial evidence presented on this forum linking the von Gutmanns with the anti-Williamson campaign. You have the means to relay said evidence to the family. If there is no clarification forthcoming regarding these apparent linkages exposed by the occasion of your interview, the evidence is further validated. Silence in this case would equal consent or no contest. Traditionalists who interpret the recent changes in the Society as an attack against the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre would thereby have justification to suspect the von Gutmanns as one of the primary instigators.
There is a war against Bishop Williamson and the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, but it is necessary to avoid harming noncombatants according to the rules of Just War theory. If anyone finds the circuмstantial linkages between the von Gutmanns and the anti-Williamson campaign to be wrong (detraction or calumny) or exaggerated, please make known you concerns.
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As far as I'm aware the Krah file is posts by 'William of Norwich', Veritas1961, Freshwater, WhiteRose rebel.
The rest asked questions based on published facts which can be proven about a man in the Society leadership and in the public domain.
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The French speaking world continues to discuss "L’affaire Krah : les dessous de l’affaire Williamson"
02/11/2012
http://www.les-intransigeants.com/2012/11/laffaire-krah-les-dessous-de-laffaire-williamson/
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Freshwater made the point and I agree. It is Dr Krah who has significance in the SSPX not those who asked questions. Questions were asked based on published facts. This should not be forgotten. Dr Krah has been given the authority to speak on behalf of the management. 'Freshwater' summaries it very well below. People want to alleviate the concerns.
Dr. Kr ah – I am of no significance within the SSPX, you are. I can remain anonymous, and it matters none because I have only ever asked about the SSPX business structures – based on published FACTS, which anyone can obtain. I have never questioned your beliefs, values, or associations, outside those SSPX related business structures. You are [now] well known within the Society. The Society has changed, whether we like that or not. That fact is undeniable. It is curious that many major changes happened in 2008/2009 and many of these things were done in secret (well – from the laity and many of the Priests at least). When there is a change in course, a logical thinker has to ask the question: “What’s happened, what’s different?”
Do you say that we shouldn’t be concerned about a perceived abnormality in the situation, or something that is perceived to be suspicious? Or should we just sit back and watch the world go by? Note: I am not blaming you, you have been given directions. In reality, it’s the “management” that should be answering the questions. But since you have been given the liberty (by management) to speak on these matters, I hope that you, out of charity, can answer the above “correct” questions so that concerns can be alleviated.
If these particular questions are ignored, then concerns will remain. And we don't want that do we?
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quo vadis: I could hardly care whether Krah was Jєωιѕн or not. What's most important is his disturbing connections and his rabid Zionism.
I disagree. I think his ethnic lineage is very important. He may have been born Catholic, and baptized Catholic as he affirms. But, then again, he may be a lying jew. Jews are liars. I think it is very important to know what his roots are. Sorry, but for you to say that you care less, I think, is disingenuous.
Krah is NOT Jєωιѕн. You may want him to be a Jew but that will not make him into one. We need good, solid, sensible, holy, Traditional Catholic resistance to Menzingen. Not resistance that paints inself into a paranoid corner.
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quo vadis: I could hardly care whether Krah was Jєωιѕн or not. What's most important is his disturbing connections and his rabid Zionism.
I disagree. I think his ethnic lineage is very important. He may have been born Catholic, and baptized Catholic as he affirms. But, then again, he may be a lying jew. Jews are liars. I think it is very important to know what his roots are. Sorry, but for you to say that you care less, I think, is disingenuous.
Krah is NOT Jєωιѕн. You may want him to be a Jew but that will not make him into one. We need good, solid, sensible, holy, Traditional Catholic resistance to Menzingen. Not resistance that paints inself into a paranoid corner.
Have you ruled it out of been a tactic of the resistance? The wacko resistance, who in reality are not wackos.
Many who adhere to the Indult/Summorum Pontificuм regard 'Williamsonites' as the 'lunatic fringe' anyways.
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It's important to remain calm.
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QUOTE (HMiS @ Nov 2 2012, 01:21 PM)
The von Gutmann family has nothing to answer for, with all due respect. Merely because of ancestry?
Columba.
This is ridiculous and verges on calumny. None of my questions contain reference, implied or otherwise, to Jєωιѕн ancestry.
Thanks again to Columba for posing the pertinent questions.
Thank YOU. One can only be inspired by the response of online trads to the present crisis. Those behind Vatican II B are experiencing difficulties not encountered by their predecessors at Vatican II A. Loyal Catholics today have a more efficient means of communication with which to resist.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.
I'm starting to feel sorry for old Maxie too.
Poor guy...
(http://strongdogz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Redbone-Coonhound.jpg)
He's been "treed".
(http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new/ehow/images/a06/2a/vn/train-bluetick-coonhound-800x800.jpg)
Technical note: Red-bone Coonhounds hunt racoon, bear and cougar.
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It seems to me that it's all a matter of interpretation.
Take the case of "transparency."
... As an example, it is supporting the new Seminary project in Virginia. It has nothing to do with individual donations people give to the SSPX. Everything we do is completely transparent. We are supervised both by the General House of the SSPX, and by the Austrian tax authority, because we are philanthropic, and that means we are tax free...
Reading this, one might wonder exactly to what Krah refers when he says this
word, "transparent."
Further, John Grace provides a telling clue:
On his Facebook, he did list lingerie and whips on a 'like' page. He listed 'Agent Provocateur' as an interest...
Products:
Designer lingerie - Bras - Knickers - Suspender belts - Corsetry - Bodysuits - Nightwear - Hosiery - Garters - Bridal lingerie - Swimwear - Perfume - Beauty products - Massage oil - Pasties - Whips - Gloves...
That's obviously an incomplete list, though, because everyone knows that
Agent Provocateur would be missing out on a most lucrative segment of the
market if they did not also sell Acrylic Transparent Body Wear. :wink:
Regarding the Red-bone Coonhounds -- if they're anything like cats, after their
first coon hunt, they would no longer be a 'puppy.' Because the most kitten-like
cat, after his first complete mouse-chase, is no longer a kitten. As for what this
has to do with transparent clothing, it seems to be very remotely connected.
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Great comment from Freshwater.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278&st=25
**** WARNING **** Shill alert.
James, you have no credibility whatsoever! Thanks for the compliments, but I do not even come close to the high intellect of those other people you mentioned. Nice try, but you have shown your true colors.
I imagined that a shill would be on the attack. You tell me what it is about my previous post that is vitriolic? In fact it was researched. The questions that Mr. Siscoe asked of Dr. Kr ah were misleading. Is it any wonder that I now have a suspicion that this was by design?
Confession of an ex-"Shill", Dirty tactics on internet forums
I had posted this on the General Discussion section in response to an obvious "Shill" there.
Probably the best place for the description is here. Understanding their "Modus operandi" will give you an understanding of what you are up against:
I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet.
I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.
My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me). She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.
The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.” I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.
The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.
We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.” Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”
“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.
“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.
The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.
My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes αnтι-ѕємιтєs and nαzιs? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”
She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings. If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sɛҳuąƖ innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”
The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.
The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.” Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”
At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.
The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”
The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).
I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.
After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.
A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.
This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.
Yours,
ExShill
April 2012
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"...I hold Bishop Fellay responsible for this situation, which I consider to be a grievous act of treachery against his brother bishop, against Archbishop Lefebvre, and against Catholic Tradition. "
That is the whole crux of the question, isn't it! Bishop Fellay is the only one responsible for everything bad that has been happening to the Society, Mgr Williamson, and Krahgate, and for the divisions now destroying the SSPX founded by Mgr Lefebvre. Of course, those Superiors supporting Bishop Fellay, not just for the non-doctrinal agreement he is seeking, but all the rest as well. They are, in fact, accessories after the facts!
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It must be remembered many SSPX laity in Ireland supported Declan Ganley and Libertas. In 2009, Libertas aligned itself with the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.This was during the campaign against Lisbon Treaty. Ganley is still on the go and very much an "Ireland is a very good place to do business type" and believes we can simply reform the EU instead of leaving the EU and being anti EU.
As demonstrated it would be naive to believe that all SSPX folk are solid on the Jews and now the Jєωιѕн hand has deep control over the "pious union" that many still support financially. It really is quite remarkable.
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5711841&ct=7062479
Wiesenthal Centre Welcomes Libertas "Committment to Fight Racism and Antisemitism Within the European Parliament and Other European Institutions
Paris , 3 June
Libertas founder, Declan Ganley, responded within 24 hours to the Wiesenthal Centre's expression of concern at the pan-European party's reported links with racist candidates in the lead up to this week's European Parliament elections.
Ganley assured the Centre's Director for International Relations, Dr. Shimon Samuels, that Libertas was dedicated "to rooting out such groups, parties and individuals wherever they manifest themselves."
The Centre will identify to Libertas bigots who achieve election to the new Parliament.
Libertas is expected to fulfill its pledge to the Wiesenthal Centre to disassociate itself from such elements and to take measures to contain extremist groups and parties across the European Union.
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I do have to wonder sometimes, these people who show pro-Jєωιѕн sympathies and show such contempt for Bishop Williamson, why do they think Archbishop Lefebvre chose Bishop Williamson? Do they really think Bishop Williamson has substantially changed his positions? Do they think Archbishop Lefebvre, who was sued by LICRA (an ADL "Jєωιѕн watchdog" type organization) didn't know the beliefs of the man he was picking?
This isn't to say Bishop Williamson is beyond criticism or that Archbishop Lefebvre would have agreed with everything Bishop Williamson has said.
However, there was undoubtedly substantial agreement.
Yet it seems to me the neo-SSPXers don't care or have disagreements with him.
I was surprised by the way Colleen Hammond, in a radio show (when an announced agreement seemed imminent), seemed to spoke of in an apologetic tone about what the Archbishop had done, as though she were trying to find excuses for his decision to consecrate. As though "we shouldn't judge" him. I found it remarkable. Is this the new thinking among SSPX attending laity?
Are they really no longer proud to be the followers of teachings of the Archbishop, but more interested in being "in communion" with Benedict XVI?
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I am, of course, a strong supporter of Bp. Williamson against the change agents, so let's keep our eyes on the ball. What is really going on is Satan and his ѕуηαgσgυє's war against God and His People, the New Israel, today's only Chosen People.
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I really think those organs, journalists, lawyers and public laymen that once spoke out in support of the old SSPX have changed their positions in line with the new SSPX and its desire to regularise. This leaves the rest claiming some solidarity with the position of Bp. Williamson. The same process has happened internally with its bishops, priests and laity. What people used to say in the past, they are not saying now. The duplicity of mankind; even ABL is being reinterpreted!
We have to accept that so much of tradition including the Society is falling into line with the status quo in the world. And that is a system where people are given at the most some limited choice but all of it is under the watchful eye of the real power in the world that hides behind highly centralised institutions and corporations. If one understands this grim reality, the prospect of, say, seeing a modern vanity seminary receiving funding from the Rothschild family does not seem such a shock. Expect to see more integration and accommodations.
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i can remember a time, when the sspx spoke out for the sspx.... :sad:
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Great comment from Freshwater.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11278&st=25
**** WARNING **** Shill alert.
James, you have no credibility whatsoever! Thanks for the compliments, but I do not even come close to the high intellect of those other people you mentioned. Nice try, but you have shown your true colors.
I imagined that a shill would be on the attack. You tell me what it is about my previous post that is vitriolic? In fact it was researched. The questions that Mr. Siscoe asked of Dr. Kr ah were misleading. Is it any wonder that I now have a suspicion that this was by design?
Confession of an ex-"Shill", Dirty tactics on internet forums
I had posted this on the General Discussion section in response to an obvious "Shill" there.
Probably the best place for the description is here. Understanding their "Modus operandi" will give you an understanding of what you are up against:
I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet.
I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.
My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me). She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.
The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.” I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.
The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.
We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.” Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy in Ghostbusters said.
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”
“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.
“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.
The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.
My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes αnтι-ѕємιтєs and nαzιs? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”
She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings. If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sɛҳuąƖ innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”
The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.
The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.” Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”
At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.
The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”
The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).
I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.
After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.
A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.
This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.
Yours,
ExShill
April 2012
Flat out fascinating John.
The paid Israeli shill.
This article just described Ashmolean on Ignis Ardens, a.k.a Blaise Compton.
Mother Frump's little darling, that she tried so hard to protect.
Let us be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.
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How amusing that Krah apparently thought his softball Remnant interview and cameo appearance on Judaica Ardens would be sufficient to narcotize the laity.
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This is the biggest SSPX story this year.
The 80million Euro, ʝʊdɛօ-jaidoff fund explains Msgr. Fellay's non-Catholic, weird behavior.
I consider last week's Krah revelation and understanding of the SSPX infiltration to be gift from the Blessed Mother.
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Moreover, in the early times of Christianity, the front rows in churches were reserved to the Christians with Jєωιѕн roots.
I'm quite sure that St. Paul had no problem with that. :rolleyes: He was just bluffing in the book of Galatians.
This sounds like to typical historical positivism and archeologism that one hears from the neo-modernists. Just because something may have been a common practice or view for some short time in the past, does not give it automatic Catholicity.
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Maybe someone can explain to me, in all seriousness and in a short precise way why Maximilian Krah matters? I'm just not seeing it. Thanks.
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Maybe someone can explain to me, in all seriousness and in a short precise way why Maximilian Krah matters? I'm just not seeing it. Thanks.
Do you think Bishop Williamson having his counsel chosen from an anti-Catholic party by someone with Zionist sympathies doesn't matter? Then being publicly threatened with expulsion when he tries to pick his own lawyer?
Do you think false ecuмenism matters?
Do you think the demands of the ADL matter?
"The re-admittance to full communion of a bishop who appears to publicly reject key teachings of the Second Vatican Council could provide succor to those whose views threaten the Jєωιѕн people and the Church's desire to improve and deepen its relationship with us to benefit all mankind," wrote Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director.
In other words, to "publicly reject key teachings of the Second Vatican Council"
(the false ecuмenism) "could provide succor to those whose views threaten the Jєωιѕн people"
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Maybe someone can explain to me, in all seriousness and in a short precise way why Maximilian Krah matters? I'm just not seeing it. Thanks.
You don't see how a Zionist lawyer controlling SSPX finances could do trouble, like he did to +Williamson back in 2009-2010 or like he did in the Remnant interview, lying about +Williamson concerning the h0Ɩ0cαųst?! Then I don't know what to tell you, except you seem to think religion and politics are not related. They are distinct, as +Williamson states, but they're not strictly separated from each other.
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Maybe someone can explain to me, in all seriousness and in a short precise way why Maximilian Krah matters? I'm just not seeing it. Thanks.
Do you think Bishop Williamson having his counsel chosen from an anti-Catholic party by someone with Zionist sympathies doesn't matter? Then being publicly threatened with expulsion when he tries to pick his own lawyer?
Do you think false ecuмenism matters?
Do you think the demands of the ADL matter?
"The re-admittance to full communion of a bishop who appears to publicly reject key teachings of the Second Vatican Council could provide succor to those whose views threaten the Jєωιѕн people and the Church's desire to improve and deepen its relationship with us to benefit all mankind," wrote Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director.
In other words, to "publicly reject key teachings of the Second Vatican Council"
(the false ecuмenism) "could provide succor to those whose views threaten the Jєωιѕн people"
"views which threaten the Jєωιѕн people" -read- views that threaten the Jєωιѕн agenda
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What he's saying is that holding the integral Catholic Faith, rejecting the false ecuмenism of Vatican II is to be hostile to Judaism.
There is no question these people are totally opposed to the very existence of Catholic Tradition.
Judaism, on the other hand, is the heir to the system, which crucified our Lord. And the members of this religion, who have not converted to Christ, are those who are radically opposed to our Lord Jesus Christ. For them, there is no question whatever of recognizing our Lord.
They are in opposition to the very foundation and existence of the Catholic faith on this subject.
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What he's saying is that holding the integral Catholic Faith, rejecting the false ecuмenism of Vatican II is to be hostile to Judaism.
When did Krah ever say this? I don't know the guy from Adam, but what Catholic dogma states that we must not believe in the existence of an Israeli political state? What does Catholicism have to do with that issue one way or the other? Who cares?
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Maybe someone can explain to me, in all seriousness and in a short precise way why Maximilian Krah matters? I'm just not seeing it. Thanks.
Stevusmagnus,
Thank you for the question.
Max Krah matters because he showed up on Menzingen's doorstep with
US$100 million ʝʊdɛօ-inheritance donation.
And then walla!... he suddenly gains a dominant postion within the Society.
Max is a secular nobody, with zionist markings, that's what raised red flags with the SSPX faithful in the beginning.
Msgr. Fellay knew this and did his best to keep Max under wraps.
After Max arrives, the SSPX changes:
1. Bp. Williamson is "set-up" and run into a German kangaroo court.
2. Bp. Fellay speaks against his fratre in the secular press.
3. Bp Fellay escalates his theatrical doctrinal talks and implements his crackdown.
Max Krah matters, because whether we want to believe it or not, he is effectively runnning the SSPX.
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What he's saying is that holding the integral Catholic Faith, rejecting the false ecuмenism of Vatican II is to be hostile to Judaism.
When did Krah ever say this? I don't know the guy from Adam, but what Catholic dogma states that we must not believe in the existence of an Israeli political state? What does Catholicism have to do with that issue one way or the other? Who cares?
I'm not talking about him in that post, I'm talking about Abe Foxman. The ADL has been defended by certain quarters over at Ignis.
I don't think you read the posts Stevus. I think I detect your lawyer's disingenuousness.
As for support for Zionism, that has everything to do with the Catholic Faith.
Zionism is totally opposed to the Social Reign of Christ the King.
You can't see a problem with a state settling Jєωιѕн fanatics who spit on priests and deface the Holy sites in Jerusalem?
You can't see the problem with a nuclear armed state which premises its nationality on the rejection of Christianity (those born religious Jews who convert do not have the right to return there), and uses its international political clout to manipulate the US foreign policy into unjust wars?
Apparently you just don't "get it" what the problem with false ecuмenism is.
Just as you don't understand the problem with Assisi, since you criticized the Archbishop's words about it.
And you defended what Benedict XVI said about condoms, as though it was somehow excusable.
It really is execrable conduct on your part.
Why don't you read about what the Popes though on the issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Pius_XII
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The Jews returning to the Holy Land, while rejecting Christ, and attempting to establish their own temporal earthbound messianism has nothing to do with the Catholic Faith, according to Stevus.
That is insanity!
It is every bit like the modernist insanity of those whom the Archbishop questioned:
Et je dirai : – Que pensez-vous des anathèmes du Concile de Trente ? Que pensez-vous des anathèmes de l’Encyclique “Autorem Fidei” sur le Concile de Pistoie ? Que pensez-vous du “Syllabus” ? Que pensez-vous de l’Encyclique “Immortale Dei” du Pape Léon XIII ? Que pensez-vous de la “lettre sur le Sillon” par le Pape Saint Pie X ? de l’Encyclique “Quas Primas” du Pape Pie XI, du “Mortalium Animos” justement du Pape Pie XI contre l’œcuмénisme, contre ce faux œcuмénisme ? et ainsi de suite… Pensez-vous tout cela ? Qu’ils me répondent ! Qu’ils me répondent s’ils sont toujours d’accord avec tous ces docuмents des papes, avec tous ces docuмents officiels qui définissent notre foi. Ce ne sont pas des docuмents quelconques, ce ne sont pas des allocutions ou des conversations privées des papes, ce sont des docuмents officiels qui engagent l’autorité du pape. Alors ?…
[size]Je pense que l’on peut, que l’on doit même croire que l’Église est occupée. Elle est occupée par cette Contre-Église.[/size] Par cette Contre-Église que nous connaissons bien et que les papes connaissent parfaitement et que les papes ont condamnée tout au long des siècles. Depuis maintenant bientôt quatre siècles, l’Église ne cesse de condamner cette Contre-Église qui est née avec le protestantisme surtout, qui s’est développée avec le protestantisme, et qui est à l’origine de toutes les erreurs modernes qui a détruit toute la philosophie et qui nous a entraînés dans toutes ces erreurs que nous connaissons et que les papes ont condamnées : libéralisme, socialisme, communisme, modernisme, sillonisme et que sais-je ? Et nous en mourons. Les papes ont tout fait pour condamner cela. Et voilà que maintenant ceux qui sont sur les sièges de ceux qui ont condamné ces choses-là sont maintenant d’accord pratiquement avec ce libéralisme et avec cet œcuмénisme. Alors nous ne pouvons pas accepter cela.
The false ecuмenism towards Jews that is implicit in support for Zionism is absolutely opposed to our Faith.
When one considers the truly despicable "interreligious dialogue" and the outrageous remarks of Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II on the Jews, then one has to consider the judaizing tendency as perhaps the most pernicious falsehood propagated by the conciliar Church.
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We should not forget that Martin Luther's primary fault was that he gave more
deference toward Jєωιѕн teachings than he did the Catholic Church's teachings.
He rejected 7 books of the Old Testament on the grounds that the тαℓмυd and
the Jews who use it originally rejected those same 7 books. He even adopted
their arrangement of verses in books like Psalms, which ends up making chapter
and verse numbers nonsense, e.g., his Psalm 23 is the CC Ps. 22, etc.
The purpose of rejecting those books was they contain teachings that he
wanted to abandon, but so did the Zionist Jews, the followers of the тαℓмυd:
they include the spiritual efficacy of works, the existence of Purgatory, the
value and importance of prayers for the holy souls in Purgatory (very appropriate
right now because it's still the first week of November, when you can get
special graces/indulgences for visiting a cemetery and praying for the dead),
the efficacy of the sacraments, the nature of sanctifying grace, the power of
the priesthood, etc. These are all things that Jews deride.
Just as Luther's heresy was founded on accommodating the errors of the Jews,
so too false ecuмenism is fundamentally an adaption with the errors of the
Jews because it also adopts the errors of the Protestants that are founded on
the same errors of the Jews. And these errors are fundamentally the errors of
Russia that Our Lady of Fatima warns us about, in the prophetic message of
Fatima.
The false ecuмenism towards Jews that is implicit in support for Zionism is absolutely opposed to our Faith.
When one considers the truly despicable "interreligious dialogue" and the outrageous remarks of Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II on the Jews, then one has to consider the judaizing tendency as perhaps the most pernicious falsehood propagated by the conciliar Church.
It's actually as if we've got a soft version of Martin Luther, on the Chair of Peter.
The Rhine flows into the Tiber.
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Who here believes that Krah has not inserted a poison pill/doomsday machine/deadman's switch into the structure of the SSPX?
I predict that even if Fellay, his inner circle, and his Zionist handler are expelled, we will be left with the abomination of desolation.
Axiom: What Satan's tribe cannot control they are psychopathically compelled to destroy.
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For someone like Krah, the Society is a mere stepping-stone to greater things. Wheither currying favour with his political hero, Angela Merkel, or the mainstream church or the financial giants in the world, he will show that he was able to bend old remaining conservative forces to his will and make them adjust their political and religious thinking. We are now living in an age of church technocrats and fixers where lawyers are more powerful than prelates.
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What he's saying is that holding the integral Catholic Faith, rejecting the false ecuмenism of Vatican II is to be hostile to Judaism.
When did Krah ever say this? I don't know the guy from Adam, but what Catholic dogma states that we must not believe in the existence of an Israeli political state? What does Catholicism have to do with that issue one way or the other? Who cares?
Krah exempted the anti-Christian ADL from criticism, falsely equating its definition of antisemitism with the term as used by Pope Pius XI.
If I were a little old Jєωιѕн lady, it wouldn't take much of this stuff to get me to send off a big fat check to the ADL.
Look, organizations like the ADL have a certain purpose: attacking antisemite behaviour. I can hardly criticize them for doing their job. People like my stalkers are doing the job of those who want to blame the SSPX. They give a bad example.
Pope Pius XI. stated very clearly: "The Church has no share in anti-semitism." Neither has the SSPX, nor I. The German bourgeoisie´s gravest failure in history was to be bystanders when the nαzιs discriminated and later massmurdered their Jєωιѕн neighbors, colleagues, and friends. You won´t find any German of class who is standing aside when again losers try to compensate their inferiority complexes on cost of other people.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&view=findpost&p=22037858
This Summer Krah advocated miniskirts on a blog post supporting Zionism:
We stand for the right of women to seek unveiled to the public, just as we defend the right of self determination of the Israelis. There can also be no middle ground. Islamism wants a world without music, no miniskirt, without wine and without Israel.
http://maximiliankrah.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/krass-der-grass
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For someone like Krah, the Society is a mere stepping-stone to greater things. Wheither currying favour with his political hero, Angela Merkel, or the mainstream church or the financial giants in the world, he will show that he was able to bend old remaining conservative forces to his will and make them adjust their political and religious thinking. We are now living in an age of church technocrats and fixers where lawyers are more powerful than prelates.
Krah was handpicked by the Rothschilds-related von Gutmann banking family for his top-level position within the SSPX. If he is faithful to the wishes of those who appointed him, there are bound to be further opportunities.
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Dumb Ox posted the following on IA.
Email:
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11320
From the recent Remnant interview of "He who shall remain nameless", SSPX chief lawyer.
“We then communicated that the Superior General has given Bishop Williamson one year to study the facts and ordered him to read a book on the issue, written by Jean-Claude Pressac, who himself had doubts about the existence of gas chambers in Auschwitz and later changed his mind after he started to look into the facts.”
I can confidently say that neither "He who shall remain nameless" nor Society Superior-General, Bishop Bernard Fellay, has actually read Pressac’s chief work, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, published in 1989 and therein is a tale with much to tell about the current status of the SSPX. I make this assertion because I have actually worked my way through Technique and Operation’s 564 ponderous and wordy pages, took copious notes and in so doing discovered what Pressac was attempting to do, something far different from "He who shall remain nameless"’s interpretation. "He who shall remain nameless"’s misinterpretation of Pressac’s work, duly probed, helps us to understand what has been happening to the Society.
The Remnant self-portrait furnished by "He who shall remain nameless" is quite revealing. His economic and social mobility has been meteoric. "He who shall remain nameless" has come a long way from his birth (1977) into what was then East Germany, an Iron Curtain country still in the grip of Soviet scarcity economics. The newly united Germany of 1990 certainly granted his parents as well as himself advantages through improved conditions. "He who shall remain nameless", however, should receive direct credit for earning both a doctorate of law and an M.B.A. and should be honored for his marriage and his four children.
"He who shall remain nameless"’s politics are also revealing. A Christian Democrat, he identifies his politics as that of “right wing Democrats and the moderate Republicans.” Indeed the label Mitt Romney-Republican would best appear to characterize "He who shall remain nameless"’s politics, especially as the Romney wing of Republican politics shares with "He who shall remain nameless" a total – and unembarrassed – support of Israel. A number of Romney Republicans I know are sincere novus-ordo Catholics who strongly support modern Israel. They simply do not see a tension between the two allegiances. "He who shall remain nameless" is a German variation of the same type.
For people who are successful and hold advanced university degrees, the certainty of the “h0Ɩ0cαųst” is a no-brainer. They absorb this powerful contemporary dogma with the educational air they first breathe, from kindergarten through graduate school, in a dogmatic thought control which is both systematic and relentless. My local paper, The Washington Post, regularly promotes such indoctrination – from a recent review of a new play that dramatizes WW II Polish Catholics incinerating imprisoned Jews to constant, regular, predictable articles about “h0Ɩ0cαųst” survivors to reviews of slanted historical studies such as Daniel Goldhagen’s Hitler’s Willing Executioners. There is no other perspective. "He who shall remain nameless" is the product of similar shaping, the details only different; he is that much more intellectually imprisoned because of his advanced education and global contacts. He cannot imagine he could be deceived on a subject such as the Auschwitz gas chambers. All the prominent people he knows think alike.
Given this world view, "He who shall remain nameless" must have been – and probably still is – utterly befuddled by Bishop Williamson’s “h0Ɩ0cαųst-denial” in the notorious five-minutes snippet from what was to be a ninety-minute interview. "He who shall remain nameless" of necessity must view the Bishop as an eccentric and believe the Society did well to distance itself from these views. "He who shall remain nameless" during The Remnant interview is unapologetic about having employed Der Spiegel journalist Peter Wensierski to accomplish that objective. Wensierski is “really independent, which also means he is equally distant…to everybody.” It would never occur to "He who shall remain nameless" that a liberal university-educated journalist could not possibly be “independent” on the subject of the Auschwitz gas chambers. To the indoctrinated modern mind, Auschwitz’s gas chambers are “factual” the way a simple arithmetic sum is.
In bringing into play the work of Jean-Claude Pressac, however, "He who shall remain nameless" unwittingly reveals a serious flaw in the basis for the Auschwitz dogma. Neither "He who shall remain nameless" nor Bishop Fellay could have read Pressac’s book in part because they are very busy men, too busy to examine closely Pressac’s 564 pages of badly-organized and deliberately confusing arguments. "He who shall remain nameless" claims – and Bishop Fellay seems to agree – that Pressac had “changed his mind once he started to look into the facts.” Whoever briefed the two men gave them erroneous information.
First, a little background information on Jean-Claude Pressac. Born in 1944, he began his working career as a pharmacist. The general question of the “h0Ɩ0cαųst” along with its specific application to the Auschwitz gas chambers came later as an avocation. "He who shall remain nameless" is correct in his assertion that Pressac doubted the gas chambers before seeming to shift to the other side. Pressac’s underlying motive for this seeming shift is of course known only to God. The reality, however, is that increased research funding and opened archives readily accompanied his change-of-view. The Klarsfeld Foundation became a principal Pressac supporter and was especially interested that he refute Fred Leuchter’s 1988 study – The Leuchter Report, a report which used laboratory data based on samples from Auschwitz’s alleged gas chambers to discredit the idea of their existence. Pressac’s 1989 book sought to discredit Leuchter and definitively prove the existence of the gas chambers.
With such a commission in hand, Pressac surprises the serious reader by his casual use of data and the historical concessions he is willing to make. Early in his scientific magnum opus, Pressac begins by copying Leuchter’s data, nakedly asserting that Leuchter’s study actually proves Auschwitz had gas chambers. Pressac, further, claims to possess 39 additional “trace proofs” but the total used in his study does not even equal 39, a sloppy use of evidence that would fail a high school sophomore’s chemistry report.
Pressac also undercuts the very thesis he was expected to support. Pressac, for instance, concedes that the Auschwitz gas chamber routinely shown to tourists had been “reconstructed” by the Soviets to [/i]“assist”[/i] historical memory before concluding it is not possible “to formally establish proof of homicidal gassing in its morgue…”
To his credit, Pressac locates and publishes many new docuмents and photos. However, the persevering reader begins to see, step by step, the difference between assertions Pressac is willing to docuмent to prove versus others he implicitly asks the reader to take on faith. Here are two examples that suffice to establish the contrast between Pressac’s visible and invisible proof. The Topf Company manufactured the five Auschwitz-Birkenau crematoria. Kurt Prufer, its principal sales representative, makes many appearances in Technique and Operations. Pressac furnishes considerable docuмentation of Prufer’s work for Topf at Auschwitz. We read memoranda of Prufer’s visits to Auschwitz authorities; we see a number of his typed requests to be reimbursed for his invention of a more efficient crematorium; we read a September, 1943, notice that Prufer proceed promptly to Auschwitz because a Topf crematorium has broken down (which happened frequently). What the reader does not see is any docuмented proof of Prufer’s shift from a salesman and administrator of crematoria to a supplier and custodian of lethal gas chambers. The latter assertion needs to be taken on faith.
One sees the same gap between docuмented claims and undocuмented assertions in the material Pressac supplies about Topf’s many sub-contractors. Because Topf specialized in the building of crematoria, they often subcontracted – to Huta, to construct the building “shell” of the combined morgue-crematorium; to Vedag, to furnish the damp-flooring; to Robert Kochler, to assemble the crematorium chimney. Here docuмentation exists in profusion, from Vedag’s complaints about Auschwitz’s winters limiting their floor warranty to Kochler’s claim that Prufer’s company, not his own, was responsible for a cracked chimney (a compromise between the two was eventually reached; that, too, is docuмented). On the other hand, crucial docuмentation about poison-gas expertise – which Topf did not have – is never supplied. Pressac claims that the Auschwitz buildings which (he agrees) began as morgue-crematoria were later converted into lethal gas chambers. Where is the docuмentary proof in the form of diagrams, building materials and the instructional personnel necessary to accomplish such a momentous change? Pressac provides none. The reader is meant to take such claims on faith.
The gap between Pressac’s thesis and actual supporting evidence grows steadily into a chasm long before the work comes to a close. The Ariadne’s thread out of this endless labyrinth is furnished by Germar Rudolf. A German Ph.D. student in chemistry during the later 1980s, Rudolf, looking for an interesting topic to examine, decided to investigate the truth of Fred Leuchter’s Auschwitz study. That was a dangerous thing to do in the Germany of that time and still is today because there are laws on the books, with jail sentences attached, for engaging in “h0Ɩ0cαųst-denial”. Rudolf plunged ahead anyway and published research supporting Leuchter’s thesis. Results included endless legal costs, a broken marriage and, in 2007, a two-year jail sentence. In 1993, at the beginning of his legal difficulties, Rudolf received a phone call from Jean-Claude Pressac. Pressac, the man who supposedly published the decisive refutation of all Auschwitz gas chamber denials, cautioned Rudolf against Rudolf’s openly and directly challenging the gas chamber dogma; instead, Pressac counseled, Rudolf needed to “attack it piecemeal, one aspect at a time.”
This statement shows what Pressac was attempting and why there exists a huge gap between what he claimed to be doing and what he actually did. Convinced he could not defeat the widespread belief in the non-existent gas chambers via a direct and open assault, Pressac opted for a subtler approach. He believed that to do as Leuchter had done and Rudolf was doing would permanently condemn one to outsider status, where one could accomplish nothing. Pressac in effect attempted to become an insider, where he could patiently and slowly wean the Klarsfeld Foundation and the educated world from their belief, however sincere, in Auschwitz’s non-existent gas chambers.
Pressac was too subtle by half. Whatever one can say about the Klarsfeld Foundation, its directors are not dumb. They realized what Pressac was doing; his research money began to dry up; his invitations to “h0Ɩ0cαųst” conferences steadily diminished. In 1995, Pressac, no longer able to work from the inside, stated openly in an interview with Valerie Igounet: “The expression ‘genocide’ is no longer appropriate. Every epochal change leads to a new evaluation of rigid canons of memory which we have heretofore been taught to regard as eternal.” In 2003, Jean-Claude Pressac died in relative obscurity.
Ironically, in 2009, Bishop Bernard Fellay “orders” Bishop Richard Williamson to read Pressac to learn the truth about Auschwitz. In 2012, Dr. "He who shall remain nameless" stated that Jean-Claude Pressac had “look(ed) into the facts.”
Equivocation on behalf of truth is doomed to fail.
I will allow readers to determine what the above chronicle suggests about Bishop Fellay’s openness to an agreement with modernist Rome so the Society can effect change from the inside.
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Kudos to "Dumb Ox"!
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This whole thing just makes me sick. :barf:
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Soon, from high intellect land, there will come a response to the Krah interview explaining in the most intellectual terms the rebuttal to the interview.
It is General McClellan drilling his troops.
From the net:
"...George Brinton McClellan (December 3, 1826 – October 29, 1885) was a major general during the American cινιℓ ωαr and the Democratic Party candidate for President in 1864. He organized the famous Army of the Potomac and served briefly (November 1861 to March 1862) as the general-in-chief of the Union Army. Early in the war, McClellan played an important role in raising a well-trained and organized army for the Union. Although McClellan was meticulous in his planning and preparations, these characteristics may have hampered his ability to challenge aggressive opponents in a fast-moving battlefield environment. He chronically overestimated the strength of enemy units and was reluctant to apply principles of mass, frequently leaving large portions of his army unengaged at decisive points...."
WAR ON!
That means fight.
The time for pussy-footing by a warm fire is over.
The Krah interview is Freemasonic rubbish designed to delay and distract.
Pray the Pope Leo XII Saint Michael prayer for the Holy Priests and Nuns.
Send financial support and do penance for them.
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Soon, from high intellect land, there will come a response to the Krah interview explaining in the most intellectual terms the rebuttal to the interview.
It is General McClellan drilling his troops.
From the net:
"...George Brinton McClellan (December 3, 1826 – October 29, 1885) was a major general during the American cινιℓ ωαr and the Democratic Party candidate for President in 1864. He organized the famous Army of the Potomac and served briefly (November 1861 to March 1862) as the general-in-chief of the Union Army. Early in the war, McClellan played an important role in raising a well-trained and organized army for the Union. Although McClellan was meticulous in his planning and preparations, these characteristics may have hampered his ability to challenge aggressive opponents in a fast-moving battlefield environment. He chronically overestimated the strength of enemy units and was reluctant to apply principles of mass, frequently leaving large portions of his army unengaged at decisive points...."
WAR ON!
That means fight.
The time for pussy-footing by a warm fire is over.
The Krah interview is Freemasonic rubbish designed to delay and distract.
Pray the Pope Leo XII Saint Michael prayer for the Holy Priests and Nuns.
Send financial support and do penance for them.
Your enthusiasm is laudable but you seem to have a one-sided viewpoint on generalship.
The decision to rush in or delay is always entirely dependent on circuмstances. The North could afford to "apply principles of mass" because had an unlimited supply of Irish cannon fodder coming over to escape the potato famine. McClellan's replacement General Grant won battles by throwing wave after wave of his soldiers at lines of Southern sharp-shooters until their bullets ran out. The North could afford to rush in and waiting would have only allowed the South to gather strength.
On the other hand, delay was a perfectly legitimate tactic for the South. While the North was reluctant to invade, the South had no reason to disturb them.
What tactic do the current circuмstances indicate for General +Williamson? +Fellay is apparently under irresistible pressure from the Rothschild-von Gutmann "family" to make a sellout deal with newRome. However, +Fellay has led most of his followers to believe that will not happen. If the "family" is impatient and heedless as it appears to be, +Fellay will be forced to make a deal very soon and thereby alienate many of his followers.
If this happens, many such previously uninformed followers would realize that +Williamson had been correct all along and would come join him. If +Williamson acts too aggressive too soon, he would be the one to first alienate SSPX followers. Menzingen propaganda organs would then kick up a media storm and, in the confusion, +Fellay could make his move with newRome and by the time the dust settled the SSPX surrender would be a fait accompli.
If +Williamson in the wings is such a menacing presence for +Fellay that the consummation of the sellout is delayed indefinitely, that is another kind of victory for +Williamson. However, +Fellay's controllers do not look like they are willing to wait. Menzingen has not yet responded to the Vatican's latest offer but will need to do so eventually. Let us see what results from that response and not draw anyone's attention away from it. Meanwhile, I agree that we should send money to help build the infrastructure for the battles that will come.
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La question juive, l'affaire Fellay, et son sioniste!
Die jüdische Frage, die Fellay Angelegenheit, und seine zionistischen!
¡La cuestión judía, el asunto Fellay, y su sionista!
The Jєωιѕн Question, the Fellay Affair, and his Zionist!
La questione ebraica, la vicenda Fellay, e il suo sionista!
השאלה היהודיה, פרשת Fellay, והציוני שלו
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I see 'Freshwater' has bumped the thread on IA.
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=300
Bump!
Dear Dr. Max, Mr Siscoe, Menzingen,
No followup "Interview", no further clarifications? The now common trait that most politicians use - obfuscation, avoiding questions, and liberal use of political "spin", seems to have a much wider infection rate.
Why are these questions based on factual data being ignored?
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Bravo :applause: to 'Dumb Ox' and 'John Grace' for providing us with such an interesting summary about Pressac. This really should be read by all those supporting the SP and his followers.
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Bravo :applause: to 'Dumb Ox' and 'John Grace' for providing us with such an interesting summary about Pressac. This really should be read by all those supporting the SP and his followers.
Drat! :kick-can: I meant the SG, not SP (don't know where that came from...) just shows how one should read one's contribution carefully before hitting the 'send' button!