Author Topic: Key sermon (Read 15083 times)

bernadette · « **Reply #45 on:** June 07, 2013, 11:29:04 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: bernadette
Quote from: Columba
Quote from: Fr. Girouard
I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]

“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]

“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”

What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?

I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?

This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.

You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called
his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and
between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would
have had no problem with it. So there.

How could this account not be true? Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?

Are you insinuating against his reputation? How DARE you.

How stupid...no I don't know anything about Fr. Girouard...if I did, I wouldn't need to question now, would I?

Come off it...bub. Look here...you are located in my area and I don't know you from squat...okay? Why don't you reveal your identity and we'll talk face to face one day after mass....because right now as I know it...there isn't one resistance supporter at this chapel to my knowledge...either they're yellow bellied, or they don't exist....

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2013, 11:35:19 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: resistanceman
This is the biggy!

This is the smoking gun. This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.

This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.

Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".

Shame on you SSPX.

Exactly what I was thinking!

This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.

How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?

I appreciate your sense about this, Matthew, and I do so much hope that
your outlook pans out. All I can think of to do is print out Fr. Girouard's
sermon for Corpus Christi, LINKED HERE, and pass it around,
because when someone holds a copy in hand they might actually read it.

And they might not like to see what they read, but after a few days,
maybe the words will start to sink into their mind. Maybe not, but if not,
then there is certainly nothing you or I or anyone could tell them that
would make any difference.

It is now time for +Fellay to gracefully bow out and leave. His time is over.

He has utterly failed to live up to the demands of his office.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #47 on:** June 08, 2013, 12:02:43 AM »

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Fr. Girouard is the sleeping giant. And he has been awakened.

The Resistance has now entered a new category of effectiveness.

Praised be God in His angels and in His saints!

. http://www.sacrificium.org/

COME RIGHT IN!

Dear friend,

Thank you for visiting me today! It is my pleasure to welcome you into my office. Let me tell you a bit about what we have to offer you right now...

Firstly, let’s say that the website home page will contain my editorials, declarations, articles, sermons, and conferences. Indeed, what will make this website different from the others is that you will come to visit and communicate with me, to get some news, and to know my point of view on a variety of topics. This is why, instead of naming this page the “Home Page”, we have decided to give it the title “Father Girouard Speaks”. The Society’s Superiors have done all they could to silence me, well, I am just beginning talking!

................. Alleluia! ................

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #48 on:** June 08, 2013, 12:26:43 PM »

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Yes, this pretty much explains everything.

While I agree with your knee-jerk reaction, for it is the same one
I had had upon reading Fr. Girouard's sermon and hearing him
speak it. -- But then, when I read this post yesterday, I wasn't
so sure about it at first sight.

I didn't really know why. Now, today, I think I have an answer for
that hesitancy. You say, "This pretty much explains everything."

Okay, but we were saying that about GREC when that news erupted,
even though it had been 'hiding in plain sight' for several years
already. And we said that about 'el Krahgate' too. And we likewise
said that about the abominable AFD when it was ultimately leaked.

So this is turning into a refrain. We need a songwriter. :guitar:

THIS PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

It would make a great Irish Folk Song!

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The suspicion that the SSPX was becoming unduly concerned with its public image is corroborated here.

Remember, we were told Bishop Williamson had to go because his presence was damaging the apostolate of the SSPX.

In reality, he was an obstacle to this branding campaign.

What madness.

Absolutely! It is madness, for sure. The folly of man toward his
ultimate and eternal demise in sin has no peer.

The ousting of Bishop Williamson was all about the Menzingen-
denizens and their concern for their public image -- the plan for
which they PAID FOR DEARLY with the widow's mites they had
collected over the years.

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If the SSPX grew, it was precisely because of its willingness to combat the errors of Rome and Vatican II, not because it was silent on the matter.

What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.

Is this not exactly what happened at Vatican II: An attempt to reconcile the Church with the modern world.

Bishop Williamson is again vindicated when he says, The crisis in the SSPX in all respects resembles the crisis in the Church after Vatican II."

Very true. The re-branding campaign utterly ignores what it was
that made the Society great in the first place, and any decent
marketing company would never advise such a thing for their
customer -- that is, unless the thing against which they advise
is due to its conflict with the core principles upon which the
marketing firm itself is squarely founded............. :scratchchin:

Stella · « **Reply #49 on:** June 08, 2013, 04:02:14 PM »

Quote from: Frances

Am I wrong to feel angry at Bp. Fellay and associates? It seems he has "marketed" my soul without my knowledge or consent. What is even worse is that he has marketed the souls of his own priests and a fellow bishop! There is now a large sign over my heart--NOT FOR SALE!

"..there shall be among you lying teachers...And many shall follow their riotousness, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you." II St. Peter 2:1-3.

This was my reaction, as well. This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.

Matto · « **Reply #50 on:** June 08, 2013, 04:04:38 PM »

Quote from: Stella

This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.

Me too. :scared2:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2013, 04:15:52 PM »

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Second edition downloadable .doc file -- I added page numbers
to this, and fixed a few more typos that I missed previously.

This is a great sermon. Fr. Girouard is a tremendous asset to
the Resistance. His gentle and intrepid resolve is most edifying.
We have so much to learn from this giant of a teacher.

Simply a giant. I can't think of a better word.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #52 on:** June 09, 2013, 02:11:26 AM »

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Third edition, same sermon. Less bold font, indent quotes,
more consistent spacing. It's up to 6 pages.

Someone might prefer an abbreviated version that gets
to the point faster, but I'm not sure I want to decide what
to omit, so whoever is up to that task -- go for it!

If you just print the hardest - hitting sentences from this
it would be very powerful, but also easier to criticize based
on subjective judgments. We need to avoid subjectivism.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #53 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:10:21 AM »

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From the Sermon.......

...So here, I don't know... You know, normally, you brand a cow! But he tells me now that the Society has been branded! So I was able to keep walking, I did not drop dead but... And then he told me: “Yes Father, that is true, and I did it!” Oh! You did it. How did you do it? “Well, when I was in Holland, District Superior, I met with somebody, I became friend with the President of a company...” (and then he named me the name of the company, it is a Flemish name which uh... is too strange to remember) but he said: “This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”

So for those of you don't know what branding is, I will explain briefly. Branding is...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/DKmJPnAGUJk[/youtube]

Kevin "Chuck" Connors was a Catholic. He's buried
at San Fernando Mission Cemetery in Mission Hills, CA.
Once or twice a year someone puts a few flowers on
his grave. His headstone has his photo, and the Cubs
and Dodgers and Boston Celtics logos.

May his soul and all the souls of the faithful departed
rest in peace. Amen.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #54 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:16:03 AM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Stella
This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.

Me too. :scared2:

This steeled my resolve not to go, and made my decision a much more comfortable one. The temptations I was getting because I wasn't going were horrible, but now it will be much easier to fight them.

John Grace · « **Reply #55 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:52:37 AM »

What concerns me about SSPX priests and laity is lack of concern over grave and serious matters.Particularly laity with family and children.

What percentage of priests and laity will for example act upon the information in the 'key sermon'?. In my opinion very few will.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #56 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:53:16 AM »

On May 13, 2012 Fr. Wegner gave a sermon at the Church of the Transfiguration in Toronto where he spoke about the company and what an executive of this company said to him. You can listen to the recording at the link below. Start at the 22 minute mark. The recording is poor, so you will need to listen carefully.

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_Fr._Jurgen_Wegner_Sermon_.wav

Also, at around the 29 minute mark, you will hear Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.

John Grace · « **Reply #57 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:01:51 PM »

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Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.

Bishop Fellay has done more than Archbishop Lefebvre. What I mean is Bishop Fellay has done everything to betray the Archbishop.

I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #58 on:** June 10, 2013, 04:40:13 PM »

Quote from: Ecclesia Militans

On May 13, 2012 Fr. Wegner gave a sermon at the Church of the Transfiguration in Toronto where he spoke about the company and what an executive of this company said to him. You can listen to the recording at the link below. Start at the 22 minute mark. The recording is poor, so you will need to listen carefully.

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_Fr._Jurgen_Wegner_Sermon_.wav

Also, at around the 29 minute mark, you will hear Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.

Much better sound:

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_fr._jurgen_wegner_sermon.mp3

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #59 on:** June 10, 2013, 08:07:28 PM »

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Fr. Wegner says that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.

Bishop Fellay has done more than Archbishop Lefebvre. What I mean is Bishop Fellay has done everything to betray the Archbishop.

I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop.

Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Grace. You had me worried there for a
minute! :confused1:

(I was thinking -- yeah, he's done more DAMAGE and stuff like that.)

RE: "I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop."

P.S. Check this out from another thread ...... FYI:

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Quote from: Frances
:surprised: Few understand my humor. I am joking. But do you seriously believe Fr. Rostand will allow mere sheep to record him? Is it a sin to do it anyway? I don't know. If he comes to my area, I intend to find an urgent reason to go to Mass elsewhere, maybe London! I've come to the place where I have enough evidence that the SSPX is done for. No need of beating a dead horse.

Frances,

I should have given more background to my post.

About 14 months ago, a Frenchman friend of mine met Fr. Rostand who was visiting at the Carson City chapel. In the coffee room, after Mass, he just told Father he had read the 219 unexpurgated sermons of +ABL (three volumes) in his original French.

His point was to suggest that if the SSPX just followed +ABL's tough advise, concerning newChurch, they would have fewer problems.

Father Rostand took offense to the comments and pulled out his tape recorder during this conversation. He he told my friend, his reading of the sermons was "illegal". Illegal, because Bp. Fellay claimed copyrights to the SSPX sermons and had their publication banned in the French courts.

So, that's the basis for poor joke about "dueling tape recorders" in the coffee room. It also explains why I like to make fun of him and his foreign, absurd attitudes.

I have a hard time imagining reading 3 volumes in French.

HAHAHAHAHA