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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: BrJoseph on June 06, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
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This is a key sermon. Please read it and the 'Last Word" column in the January 2012 Angelus.
http://www.sacrificium.org/multimedia/video/solemnity-feast-corpus-christi-2-june-2013
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Why is it a key sermon?
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Read it and you will see.
Father Girouard comments on the new Opus Dei orientation of the SSPX.
See The Last Word column in the January 2012 issue of the Angelus for confirmation.
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Wow...the "holy cow" of the SSPX.
Here is the Transcription of Fr. Patrick Girouard Sermon:
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In the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
I will be brief in this sermon because I have to read that statement again, and you already had it before mass, but what I want to say today is that, obviously, this is my first mass since I came back from exile, and I would like to say a little bit to correct a little bit things that had been said about me when I was away by Father Wegner and the other priests. They said that basically I had not talked with Father Wegner before to preach my sermons, and so forth and so on. So this is not correct, this is not a true statement. In fact I have talked with him many times...
Like in July last year, on a phone call of 80 minutes, and I mentioned all the problems in the Society; and in October, when he came to visit in Langley, we had a two hour conversation, and I told him of these problems in the Society; and then, in November, I sent him two emails with a very important question about Bishop Fellay, and I am still waiting for the answer to the second email. So if I would wait for the answers all the time, I would probably reach the age of retirement before I get the answers! And, therefore, I decided to preach. The other reason also is because the reason why someone asks a question is because he has a question to ask. If you know already the answer, it is no use to ask the question, unless you are a teacher! So I don't have any questions to ask him anymore.
I saw the docuмents that came out from Bishop Fellay, especially his Declaration of April the 15th 2012 that he brought to Cardinal Levada, as the basics for an agreement with Rome. And when you read that, you realize the Society is in deep trouble! Because in that Declaration, in that draft for an agreement with Rome, Bishop Fellay accepts the New Code of Canon Law. He also says that the new mass has been legitimately promulgated. He also says that he recognizes the Magisterium of the Church of today and that he is ready to sign the 1989 Profession of Faith of Cardinal Ratzinger. Which Profession of Faith, as I have explained to you before in one of my sermons, is very bad, especially the third , which basically means that the priests who will take this oath of fidelity, the one drafted in 1989, will accept to submit to the modern Magisterium, that is to say to the modern teachings of the Pope.
Anyway... So I have preached against this Preamble, and I have preached, as I said, in my announcements on March 10th, about the Preamble, and about the letter from the 37 priests, and also the fact that the Carmelites in Germany have decided to leave the Society because of the same reasons; and also I have talked about the expulsion from the Monastery of Silver City of Father Raphael. So I thought that the faithful needed to know. But the reaction was to transfer me to St. Césaire, with the specific order that I should be silent. I should not communicate these things to the faithful. I should not criticize the Superiors. I should not show nor express any distrust for them or their actions. So it was kind of a pact that was asked of me: We will take care of your material needs, you will have a house and beautiful chapel in St. Césaire and in exchange for this security you will remain silent; so I refused. I cannot remain silent.
It would be a sin for me to remain silent, so therefore I refused and went into exile, as you know, and came back a couple of weeks ago because you have had a series of meetings, once a week, and you studied these docuмents; and you studied some articles that I wrote from afar for you, and you studied some copies of the magazine The Recusant, and so forth and so on. And you have had the same reaction any good and normal Catholic would have in front of those docuмents: You have understood that you, that we, have been misled for the past couple of years; that the Society has done a 180 degrees; and this is why you have decided to start your own chapel. Because you knew you could trust me to preach you the truth, because I have to suffer, and I have to make sacrifices to do it now. And we have organized and have now founded, this is our first mass, St. Joseph Defender of the Church Chapel.
And one of the things I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. You would think that maybe it's just that we forget, the Society is... it has forgotten its role of explaining the truth and battling against error. Maybe it's just a coincidence; just because your priest at that parish didn't think to talk about it... Well, that's what I said to Father Wegner; I told Father Wegner, I said to Father: “Look at the DICI website; look at the Angelus magazine; look at the website of the SSPX in the United States; look at the website of Father Couture in Asia; look everywhere, and you don't see any spirit of fight anymore against Vatican II and the New Mass! It seems to me that the Society has become a blunt sword in the hands of the Lord! There is no cutting edge anymore, it is useless!”
And I thought he would say: “Oh, you are wrong” or, “really, Father, we are still strong, and we are still fighting, and you are, you know, it's a misconception that you have. How can you say this?” So I was really taken aback when he agreed with me, and he said: “But yes, Father, it's true!” Well, Father Wegner agrees with me! So I thought I was making headway! I thought: “Well, that's good! Now that he understands the problem, maybe we will start to fight again!” But when my jaw dropped, was when he said that this was a good thing, this change was a good thing! Okay! Also, well, he explained to me how it came to be. He said this is not just a coincidence, or it is not because priests are becoming lazy or they are afraid of Rome. No, no! He said: “This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!”
So here, I don't know... You know, normally, you brand a cow! But he tells me now that the Society has been branded! So I was able to keep walking, I did not drop dead but... And then he told me: “Yes Father, that is true, and I did it!” Oh! You did it. How did you do it? “Well, when I was in Holland, District Superior, I met with somebody, I became friend with the President of a company...” (and then he named me the name of the company, it is a Flemish name which uh... is too strange to remember) but he said: “This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
So for those of you don't know what branding is, I will explain briefly. Branding is... That company who makes a branding, suppose it takes as their customer Coca Cola. So Coca Cola would hire that company, and would ask that company "do my branding". And that company will send men to Coca Cola offices, and everywhere, to study the whole industry of Coca Cola, to study all the advertising of Coca Cola, to drink a lot of Coca Cola! And to basically have as much knowledge of Coca Cola as possible. And then they will study all the other companies that make cola; so they will study Royal Cola, Pepsi Cola, King Cola, and so forth and so on. And they will try to figure out, and they will drink a lot of cola of course, and then they will try to figure out how could the Coca Cola company distinguish itself in a very striking manner from all the other brands. That’s the branding: To find out the striking difference of your customer and then, with the branding, they will say: Well, your product is more... It has a little bit more bitterness, or a little bit more fizz in it, and the color is more dark than the others, and so your branding should be that uh... I don't know, “Cola Cola... gives you a kick!” I don't know: “Coca Cola is a product that has more kick than all the others!” That is as an example of branding.
And so Father Wegner asked that man of that company to do the branding of the Society, and so that man said: “I will look into the Society on the website; I will let you know.” A couple of weeks later he phones Father Wegner, and he says: “Father, I refuse; I refuse the contract, because I looked over your name SSPX, and you don't have a good name out there, and I don't want my company to have the blemish of having you as a customer.” So Father Wegner says: “Well, at least give us a chance! Let's hear our own side, what we have to say. I will organize a meeting for you and Bishop Fellay in Menzingen, in Switzerland, and at least give us the chance to answer all of your questions, and after that you will decide!” So the man said : “Fair enough.” So they organize the meeting in Menzingen, and Father Wegner told me that the man went there and asked one hundred and fifty questions to Bishop Fellay, and Bishop Fellay answered all of these questions, and it lasted six hours! For six hours! And, at the end, that man said: “Okay, I will take the contract of the Society, and I will do your branding.”
So I don't know exactly how long this took... A few months... And I don't know how much it cost, but... I talked with some people, and they think it was a bundle of money, and I wish they would have given it to us, so we could have a nice church by now! And afterwards he gave the conclusion to Father Wegner and to Bishop Fellay, the conclusion of the whole survey of the branding, and he said to Father and Bishop Fellay: “Bishop Fellay, the result of my survey, is that for the last fifteen years, you had it all wrong! You will never get more faithful and more people to come to your churches if you continue this way, because right now, the Vatican II Church is like an old man dying, and it's like dying flat on the street. Like they lose their seminaries, they lose their monasteries, they sell their churches, and it is a dying church! And you are really looking bad when you continue to fight that Church! It makes you look like a cruel... or like you exaggerate, or like you are kicking somebody who is already dying! So your new branding has to change you completely! You have to stop arguing; you have to stop fighting; you have instead to go on the positive side, and to show the beauty of the traditional liturgy, the beauty of the traditional theology, and that way people will not see you as cruel, or bitter, or things like that.”
And this is why, since the branding of the society, DICI has changed; the SSPX websites have changed; the Angelus has changed. And in fact, interestingly enough, if you go back to the first issue of the new Angelus, what does Father Wegner say? Go back if you have it, and read it. He says: “We will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight, but we will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art...” And so forth and so on. Go ahead and read it. It is exactly the branding of the Society and, really, I had to put my jaw back into place, because I said to myself: “I thought that if there was one person in the world who was authorized, and who knew better, as of the branding or the definition of the Society, that would have been its founder, the Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre! Not a layman who is not even a Catholic, who is not even a traditional! How can you go ask a pagan to define what we are, and what we should do? It is a complete madness!
They accuse us of not being supernatural, and what is that: to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to that company, a pagan company, and to say: “Well! Forget about Coca Cola! And do the SSPX, brand us!” Instead of listening to the founder, instead of reading the founder, who said who we were! As if what the founder said was not good enough, and now we have to have pagans telling us what to do!
So we refuse to do that, and this is why we have started our chapel here, of “Saint Joseph Defender of the Church”. And today, this morning, you have read and you have signed this mission statement that says to everybody why we are doing what we do, and it is not because of emotions, or anger, or resentment, or bitterness. It is because we have read these docuмents and we have understood that the Society has been changed, and has been doing a one hundred degree cycle, and we are not anymore doing what we should do. And, therefore, this is the only way we can continue. We are not making anything new here! You know that I have not preached to you, I have not shown to you any article that is new! We are continuing exactly what you came to Langley for, and Langley is not doing it anymore, and no other parish is doing it anymore in the SSPX. Because they have to follow the General Chapter of 2012, where now they accept the principle of signing a deal with Rome. It doesn't matter if it's not signed yet, because you have accepted the principle: “But yes! We can do a deal with Rome without the conversion of Rome!” And we refuse that, because it's a Revolution. We just continue here, in this hall, what we have been doing from the beginning.
So, my dear friends, we will have to continue to pray for each other to be strong, and to pray for all our other friends who remain in Christ the King. I am in contact with others who are not here this morning, and I have given them these articles and docuмents, and they are studying them. I will not name them. They have to take the time to study, and to be convinced. But, you know, you are not alone here. There are other people who want to continue the real fight of the SSPX. Let us pray for each other and for them.
In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Amen
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To read the Mission Statement: http://www.sacrificium.org/article/our-mission-statement-2-june-2013
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Our Mission Statement
June 2nd, 2013
Dear reader,
The reasons we have decided to leave Christ the King Priory and church in Langley, British Columbia, are not complicated or hard to grasp. Let us firstly say what has not been a part of our decision.
If I refused my punitive transfer to Montreal, and if a group of 27 adults and 11 children, representing about a third of the Langley parish, have decided to start a new parish and to ask me to become their pastor, it was not because of emotions. We are not angry, bitter, or resentful towards the SSPX, even if we have been betrayed by its management. We didn’t leave for the love of change or to seek some excitement either.
We basically have been forced out of a location we have helped to build and maintain, because we could not anymore stand the propaganda thrown at us by ways of action or omission. We realized that to remain silent and inactive in front of the evils besetting our beloved Society would be a grave sin. Not only because we would put ourselves in harm’s way, but also because we would thus contribute to the destruction of the traditional movement. We have spent a lot of time and energy researching and studying the docuмents that shed light on the actual crisis of the SSPX. Thanks to the good work of His Excellency Bishop Williamson, and of the many priests and faithful of the Resistance, we were able to understand what happened, and to make the right decision, with the hope that it will encourage more priests and more faithful to do the same.
What we came to realize was that, for all practical purposes, the Society of St. Pius X has become nor more no less than the 10th religious congregation to have rallied the Conciliar Church. Even if the deal has not been signed yet, the principle of such a deal has been adopted by the July 2012 General Chapter, and this is what constitutes the big Revolution in the Society. It doesn’t matter whether the Chapter asked for 3 or 6 or 200 conditions. They have decided that the Society could henceforward sign a pact with those who are unrepentantly, and unceasingly, destroying the Catholic Church.
No Catholic worthy of the name can accept to go along with such a plan. We cannot say that we are Catholic, and that we love Our Saviour, His mother, and the saints, if we accept to negotiate with those who are contributing, by their actions or by their silence, to the damnation of countless souls for which Our Lord gave His life. For example, how can we even accept to deal and talk with people who promote the Novus Ordo Missae? How can we not see with a deep horror that this Mass is an abomination to God?
I remember Archbishop Lefebvre quoting prophet Malachy when talking against the New Mass: “The son honoreth the father, and the servant his master: if then I be a father, where is my honor? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts. To you O priests, that despise my name, and have said: Wherein have we despised thy name? You offer polluted bread upon my altar, and you say: Wherein have we polluted thee? In that you say: The table of the Lord is contemptible. If you offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if you offer the lame and the sick, is it not evil? offer it to thy prince, if he will be pleased with it, or if he will regard thy face, saith the Lord of hosts.” (1:6-8).
The mission of the SSPX has never been to integrate the structure of the conciliar Church in order to “transform” it from the inside. Such an illusion has been condemned by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988 after the consecrations. The Society’s mission is to train true Catholic priests. These priests will in turn preach the Truth and fight vigorously against error, without compromise or “talks”, “dialogue”, “negotiations”. Thus this little legion will be like a beacon attracting the souls of good will.
The faithful and the good priests have been betrayed by the actual management of the Society. A management that does not tolerate dissent or critics. The only way for us to receive the truth and to speak it loud and clear, is to separate ourselves from the new SSPX. We have to be ready to make a lot of sacrifices, and we have to pray a lot for the solution of the crisis, and for our perseverance in the good fight.
You will maybe ask me: when will be the time to join Rome? How could we know if we have a good Pope? The answer is quite simple: When the Pope publicly condemns the New Mass and forbids its celebration under pain of excommunication; when he publicly condemns and rejects the whole of the Second Vatican Council; when he throws to the garbage bin all the reforms that came since the Council; when he demotes all heretic and immoral Bishops and priests; when he repairs the injustices done against Archbishop Lefebvre and the faithful priests. In other words, when he will truly, by his actions, clean up the mess.
And when can we go back and trust the SSPX again? The answer is pretty much the same as the above: When Bishop Fellay, the other members of the 2012 Chapter, and all the priests of the Society who have promoted the new line will be demoted and barred from any future office; when the texts of the Chapter will be officially and legally condemned; when H.E. Bishop Williamson and the faithful priests will be vindicated by the new management; when a book on the history of this crisis will be published and read yearly in our communities; when a new General Chapter will condemn in the most strong manner the New Mass and Vatican II, and will forbid any contact with conciliar authorities, until Rome has cleaned its mess.
You will tell me this is not realistic and could never happen! I will answer simply: So what? What’s the problem? Let us only do our duty and glorify God, and let Him deal with the others. Pray and sacrifice for their conversion, sure enough. But compromise and put ourselves in harm’s way? Never!
God bless you all.
A copy of this Mission Statement has been sent to the Pastor and parishioners of the SSPX parish in Langley.
Fr. Patrick Girouard
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There is now no place to hide from these facts.
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
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The sermon:
Solemnity Of The Feast Of Corpus Christi (2 June 2013)
Dates: Sunday, June 2, 2013
Presenter: Fr. Patrick Girouard
MASS AT THE PARISH OF ST. JOSEPH DEFENDER OF THE CHURCH
[Edited] Transcription of the Sermon [the one on Fr's. website has typos]:
In the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
I will be brief in this sermon because I have to read that statement again, and you already had it before Mass, but what I want to say today is that, obviously, this is my first Mass since I came back from exile, and I would like to say a little bit to correct a little bit some things that had been said about me, when I was away, by Father Wegner and the other priests. Basically that I had not talked with Father Wegner before to preach my sermons, and so forth and so on. So this is not correct, this is not a true statement. In fact I have talked with him many times...
Like in July last year, on a phone call of 80 minutes, and I mentioned all of the problems in the Society; and in October, when he came to visit in Langley, we had a two hour conversation, and I told him of all these problems in the Society; and then, in November, I sent him two emails with a very important question about Bishop Fellay, and I am still waiting for the answer to the second email. So, if I would wait for the answers all the time, I would probably attain the age of retirement before I get the answers! And, therefore, I decided to preach. The other reason also, is because the reason why someone asks a question is because he has a question to ask. If you know already the answer, it is no use to ask the question, unless you are a teacher! So I don't have any question to ask him anymore.
I saw the docuмents that came out from the pen of Bishop Fellay, especially his Declaration of April the 15th (2012) that he brought to Cardinal Levada, as the basis for an agreement with Rome. And when you read that, you realize the Society is in deep trouble! Because in that Declaration, in that draft for an agreement with Rome, Bishop Fellay accepts the New Code of Canon Law. He also says that the Newmass has been legitimately promulgated. He also says that he recognizes the Magisterium of the Church "of today" and that he is ready to sign the 1989 Profession of Faith of Cardinal Ratzinger. Which Profession of Faith, as I have explained to you before in one of my sermons, is very bad, especially the third point, which basically means that the priests who will make this oath of fidelity, the one drafted in 1989, will accept to submit to the modern Magisterium, that is to say, to the modern teachings of the Pope.
Anyway... So I have preached against this Preamble, and I have preached, and as I said, in my announcements on March 10th, about the Preamble, and about the letter from the 37 priests, and also the fact that the Carmelites in Germany have decided to leave the Society because of the same reasons; and also I have talked about the expulsion from the Silver City Monastery of Father Raphael. So I thought that the faithful needed to know. But the reaction was to transfer me to St. Césaire, and, with the specific order that I should be silent. I should not communicate with the faithful. I should not criticize the Superiors. I should not show and express any distrust for them or their actions. So it was kind of a pact that was asked from me: We will take care of your material needs, you will have a house and beautiful chapel in St. Césaire and in exchange for this security you will remain silent on these things; and, uh I refused. I cannot remain silent.
It would be a sin for me to remain silent. And, so therefore I refused and went into exile, as you know, and came back a couple of weeks ago because you had had a series of meetings, almost once a week, and you studied these docuмents; and you studied some articles that I wrote from afar for you, and you studied some copies of the magazine The Recusant, and so forth and so on. And you have had the same reaction that any good and normal Catholic would have in front of those docuмents: You have understood, that that we have been misled for the past couple of years; that the Society has done a 180 degrees; and this is why you have decided to start your own chapel. Because you knew you could trust me to preach you the truth, because I have to suffer, and I have to make sacrifices to do it now. And we have organized and we have now founded, and this is our first mass, St. Joseph Defender of the Church Chapel.
And one of the things that I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... A thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the Newmass and what happened in Rome. You would think that maybe it's just that we forget, the Society is... it has forgotten its role of explaining the truth and battling against error. Maybe it's just a coincidence; just because your priest at that parish didn't think to talk about it... Well, that's what I said to Father Wegner; I told Father Wegner, I told Father: “Look at the DICI website; look at the Angelus magazine; look at the website of the SSPX in the United States; look at the website of Father Couture in Asia; look everywhere, and you don't see any spirit of fight anymore against Vatican II and the Newmass! It seems to me that the Society has become a blunt sword in the hands of the Lord! There is no cutting edge anymore, it is useless!”
And I thought he would say: “Oh, you are wrong” or, “really, Father, we are still strong, and we are still fighting, and you are, you know, it's a misconception that you have. How can you say this?” So I was really taken aback when he really agreed with me, and he said: “But yes, Father, it's true!” Well, Father Wegner agrees with me! So I thought I was making headway! I thought: “Well, that's good! Now that he understands the problem, maybe we will start to fight again!”
But when my jaw dropped, was when he said that this was a good thing, this change was a good thing!" Okay! Also, "Well, he explained to me how it came to be. He said this is not just a coincidence, or it is not because priests are becoming lazy or they are afraid of Rome. No, no! He said: “This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen." Oh. Okay. "Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!”
So here, I don't know... You know, normally, you brand a cow! But he tells me now that the Society has been branded! So I was able to keep walking, I did not drop dead but... And then he told me: “Yes Father, that is true, and I did it!” Oh! You did it. How did you do it? “Well, when I was in Holland, District Superior, I met with somebody, I became friends with the President of a company...” (and then he named me the name of the company, it is a Flemish name which uh... is too strange to remember) but he said: “This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
So for those of you don't know what branding is, I will explain briefly. Branding is... That company who makes a branding, suppose it takes as their customer Coca Cola. So Coca Cola would hire that company, and would ask that company, "Do my branding". And that company will send men to Coca Cola offices, and everywhere, to study the whole industry of Coca Cola, to study all the advertising of Coca Cola, to drink a lot of Coca Cola! And to basically have as much knowledge of Coca Cola as possible. And then they will study all the other companies that make cola; so they will study Royal Cola, Pepsi Cola, King Cola, and so forth and so on. And they will try to figure out, and they will drink a lot of cola of course, and then they will try to figure out how could the Coca Cola company distinguish itself in a very striking manner from all the other brands. That’s the branding: To find out the striking difference of your customer and then, with the branding, they will say: Well, your product is more... It has a little bit more bitterness, or a little bit more fizz in it, and the color is more dark than the others, and so your branding should be that uh... I don't know, “Cola Cola... gives you a kick!” I don't know: “Coca Cola is a product that has more kick than all the others!” That is as an example of branding.
And so Father Wegner asked that man of that company to do the branding of the Society, and so that man said: “I will look into the Society on the website; I will let you know.” A couple of weeks later he phones Father Wegner, and he says: “Father, I refuse; I refuse the contract, because I looked over your name SSPX, and you don't have a good name out there, and I don't want my company to have the blemish of having you as a customer.” So Father Wegner says: “Well, at least give us a chance! Let's hear our own side, what we have to say. I will organize a meeting for you and Bishop Fellay in Menzingen, in Switzerland, and at least give us the chance to answer all of your questions, and after that you will decide!” So the man said : “Fair enough.” So they organize the meeting in Menzingen, and Father Wegner told me that the man went there and asked one hundred and fifty questions to Bishop Fellay, and Bishop Fellay answered all of these questions, and it lasted six hours! For six hours! And, at the end, that man said: “Okay, I will take the contract of the Society, and I will do your branding.”
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So I don't know exactly how long this took... A few months... And I don't know how much it cost, but... I talked with some people, and they think it was a bundle of money, and I wish they would have given it to us, so we could have a nice church by now! And afterwards he gave the conclusion to Father Wegner and to Bishop Fellay, the conclusion of the whole survey of the branding, and he said to Father and Bishop Fellay: “Bishop Fellay, the result of my survey, is that for the last fifteen years, you had it all wrong! You will never get more faithful and more people to come to your churches if you continue this way, because right now, the Vatican II Church is like an old man dying, and it's like dying flat on the street. They lose their seminaries, they lose their monasteries, they sell their churches, and it is a dying church! And you are really looking bad when you continue to fight that Church! It makes you look like a cruel... or like you exaggerate, or like you are kicking somebody who is already dying! So your new branding has to change completely! You have to stop arguing; you have to stop fighting; you have instead to go on the positive side, and to show the beauty of the traditional liturgy, the beauty of the traditional moral theology, and that way people will not see you as cruel, or bitter, or things like that.”
And this is why, since the branding of the society, DICI has changed; the SSPX websites have changed; the Angelus has changed. And in fact, interestingly enough, if you go back to the first issue of the new Angelus, what does Father Wegner say? Go back if you have it, and read it. He says: “We will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight, but we will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art...” And so forth and so on. Go ahead and read it. It is exactly the branding of the Society and there really, I had to put my jaw back into place, because I said to myself: “I thought that if there was one person in the world who was authorized, and who knew better, as of the branding or the definition of the Society, that would have been its founder, the Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre! Not a layman who is not even a Catholic, who is not even a traditional! How can you go ask a pagan to define what we are, and what we should do? It is a complete madness!
They accuse us of not being supernatural, and what is that: to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to that company, a pagan company, to say: “Well! Forget about Coca Cola! And do SSPX: brand us!” Instead of listening to the founder, instead of reading the founder, who said who we were! As if what the founder said was not good enough, and now we have to have pagans telling us what to do!
So we refuse to do that, and this is why we have started our chapel here, of “Saint Joseph Defender of the Church”. And today, this morning, you have read and you have signed this mission statement that says to everybody why we are doing what we do, and it is not because of emotions, or anger, or resentment, or bitterness. It is because we have read these docuмents and we have understood that the Society has been changed, and has been doing a one hundred degree circle, and we are not anymore doing what we should do. And, therefore, this is the only way we can continue. We are not making anything new here! You know that I have not preached to you, I have not shown to you any article that is new! We are continuing exactly what you came to Langley for, and Langley is not doing it anymore, and no other parish is doing it anymore in the SSPX. Because they have to follow the General Chapter of 2012, where now they accept the principle of signing a deal with Rome. It doesn't matter if it's not signed yet, because you have accepted the principle: “But yes! We can do a deal with Rome without the conversion of Rome!” And we refuse that, because it's a Revolution. We just continue here, in this hall, what we have been doing from the beginning.
And so, my dear friends, we will have to continue to pray for each other to be strong, and to pray for all our other friends who remain in Christ the King. I am in contact with others who are not here this morning, and I have given them these articles and docuмents, and they are studying them. I will not name them. They have to take the time to study, and to be convinced. But, other people -- you are not alone here. There are other people who want to continue the real fight of the SSPX. Let us pray for each other and for them.
In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Amen
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Solemnity Of The Feast Of Corpus Christi (2 June 2013)
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
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The clearness and strength of the arguments in favor of the Resistence, are overwhelming. :fryingpan:
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If you like my edition, here is a .doc upload for you to print.
5 pages, 13 pt Times New Roman with centered title and dozens of
typos fixed from the website version. I added some bold/italics on
a few key lines..
FTCOOR ~ This is one of the best and most timely sermons I have seen
since the beginning of the Resistance. Please print out copies -- use
another version if you like, I'm only providing this one to make it most
presentable and credible. Fr. Girouard is obviously the answer to many
prayers and sacrifices. His contribution is inestimable.
Deo Gracias!
V/ Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domini. R/ Qui fecit caelum et terram.
Whoever has a copy of the stack of docuмents that Fr. Girouard is passing
around to his friends to help them decide to recognize what is really going
on in the highest levels of the SSPX, please know you have a very precious
set of papers there. You should keep a copy of all of them in a safe place
because the day will come years from now when you can show them to
your grandchildren and say, "This is how I knew that something bad was
going on in the Society, and look what has happened since then."
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called
his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and
between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would
have had no problem with it. So there.
How could this account not be true? Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?
Are you insinuating against his reputation? How DARE you.
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This is the biggy!
This is the smoking gun. This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.
This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.
Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".
Shame on you SSPX.
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Don't forget that the First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus corroborates his sermon.
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:surprised:
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Yes, this pretty much explains everything.
The suspicion that the SSPX was becoming unduly concerned with its public image is corroborated here.
Remember, we were told Bishop Williamson had to go because his presence was damaging the apostolate of the SSPX.
In reality, he was an obstacle to this branding campaign.
What madness.
If the SSPX grew, it was precisely because of its willingness to combat the errors of Rome and Vatican II, not because it was silent on the matter.
What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
Is this not exactly what happened at Vatican II: An attempt to reconcile the Church with the modern world.
Bishop Williamson is again vindicated when he says, The crisis in the SSPX in all respects resembles the crisis in the Church after Vatican II."
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The leaves are falling from the trees, and they are losing their cover. My instinct tells me that a certain Pagan ad-man is a Pagan in the house of Moluch.
We await confirmation
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What a BOMB!!!
Does anyone have a copy to scan and post or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.
Deo gratias!
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
Why are you dissing,Max? According to Fr Laisney he is one of the faithful and has helped the SSPX? Besides the vast majority couldn't careless.
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Yes, this pretty much explains everything.
The suspicion that the SSPX was becoming unduly concerned with its public image is corroborated here.
Remember, we were told Bishop Williamson had to go because his presence was damaging the apostolate of the SSPX.
In reality, he was an obstacle to this branding campaign.
What madness.
If the SSPX grew, it was precisely because of its willingness to combat the errors of Rome and Vatican II, not because it was silent on the matter.
What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
Is this not exactly what happened at Vatican II: An attempt to reconcile the Church with the modern world.
Bishop Williamson is again vindicated when he says, The crisis in the SSPX in all respects resembles the crisis in the Church after Vatican II."
Fr Steiner stated the expulsion facilitated the deal.
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What a BOMB!!!
Does anyone have a copy to scan and post or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.
Deo gratias!
A bomb or "internet rumour"? Will we get another 'Against the Rumors' series of video?
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What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
I would say that, rather than incompetence, this is indicative of a loss of supernatural faith.
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What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
I would say that, rather than incompetence, this is indicative of a loss of supernatural faith.
There is corroboration for this - obviously Father Girouard isn't the only one who heard it.
Yesterday I saw a disturbing sermon from the District Superior of Canada, pronounce that:
1: That Bishop Fellay has done as much as or more for the SSPX than
Archbishop Lefebvre! (I kid you not, he said these words)
2: That a non-Catholic businessman told Menzingen that the SSPX were wrong
in their methods; that is one example of why they should join Rome
One suspects this shamelessness is deliberate. Why admit it something like that, other than to send a message?
The same sort of messages characters like Krah send with their behavior?
Sometimes these people seem to exult in their cynicism, to want to rub our faces in it.
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They had to get rid of Monseñor Williamson because he was anti-agreement. So, how about organizing an interview? Thank you Mother and God.
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called
his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and
between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would
have had no problem with it. So there.
How could this account not be true? Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?
Are you insinuating against his reputation? How DARE you.
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Nowhere did I insinuating against Fr. Girouard. I think it is important to know the names of the Holland corporation and the man who dealt with +Wegner and +Fellay.
This latest scandal could be the catalyst for finally bringing down +Fellay so it is very important to get all the facts.
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I think it is important to know the names of the Holland corporation and the man who dealt with +Wegner and +Fellay.
This latest scandal could be the catalyst for finally bringing down +Fellay so it is very important to get all the facts.
Yup.
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Let's consider the absurdity of the thing, presupposin' it's true - and if you can know a cause by its effects and can know a tree by its fruit, then I'd say the stench of rotting carcass wafting up to our nostrils for the last few years is an indication of the veracity of the thing - not to mention Fr. G.'s deliberate slowness in revealing the fact.
Can you imagine a pope or bishop or priest or religious order hiring a worldling to market Jesus Chrsit to the world?!!!!!!!
Again the devil took Him up into a very high mountain, and shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to Him: All these will I give Thee, if falling down Thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve.
The world cannot hate you; but Me it hateth: because I give testimony of it, that the works thereof are evil.
If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated Me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember My word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept My word, they will keep yours also.
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you.
You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world. Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sin.
Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
And seek not you what you shall eat, or what you shall drink: and be not lifted up on high. For all these things do the nations of the world seek.
Menzingen has either lost the Faith, lost its marbles, or both.
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:stare:
This explains a lot....
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What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
I would say that, rather than incompetence, this is indicative of a loss of supernatural faith.
There is corroboration for this - obviously Father Girouard isn't the only one who heard it.
Yesterday I saw a disturbing sermon from the District Superior of Canada, pronounce that:
1: That Bishop Fellay has done as much as or more for the SSPX than
Archbishop Lefebvre! (I kid you not, he said these words)
2: That a non-Catholic businessman told Menzingen that the SSPX were wrong
in their methods; that is one example of why they should join Rome
One suspects this shamelessness is deliberate. Why admit it something like that, other than to send a message?
The same sort of messages characters like Krah send with their behavior?
Sometimes these people seem to exult in their cynicism, to want to rub our faces in it.
I can corroborate what LordPhan wrote because I heard the same thing with my own ears from the mouth of Fr. Wegner. What is the date that LordPhan was making reference to?
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Can you imagine a pope or bishop or priest or religious order hiring a worldling to market Jesus Christ to the world?!!!!!!!
Years ago I remember seeing a comic paper; it was a report from one of these types of marketing or business consultants to Our Lord, telling their assessment of His 12 Apostles. The consultant critiqued 11 of them, saying they were just not great business material - i.e. they would never be a great success in the world, etc.. But they thought Judas Isariot had great business sense, and hence, great potential, so they recommended that Jesus promote him etc... It was very funny. Wish I could find it again & post it.
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would have had no problem with it. So there.
How could this account not be true? Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?
Are you insinuating against his reputation? How DARE you.
???
Nowhere did I insinuating against Fr. Girouard. I think it is important to know the names of the Holland corporation and the man who dealt with +Wegner and +Fellay.
This latest scandal could be the catalyst for finally bringing down +Fellay so it is very important to get all the facts.
You've misunderstood me, Columba. Yours are good questions! I was
replying to bernadette, not to you. Your quote is only there for context.
I could have put the name "bernadette" in my reply but I thought it would
be unnecessary, since so many members don't bother to identify to whom
they're replying at all. Sorry for the confusion. I'll be more obvious next
time.
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Yes, I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding.
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The January Angelus just got very popular.........
Don't forget that the First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus corroborates his sermon.
If anyone can scan this First Word column and post it, we'd all
appreciate that!
What a BOMB!!!
Does anyone have a copy to scan and post, or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.
Deo gratias!
We can use any other docuмentation as well.
Fr. Girouard has said here that he is circulating a set of papers to key
friends who are studying them and coming to their own conclusions.
Maybe those papers are in French? I wouldn't be too surprised. If
anyone has English copies, or if Fr. G. could submit a set to The
Recusant, perhaps we could get a translation before too long?
It seems that Fr. G. wants these docuмents to be read by certain
people before they go public, and that is understandable, since the
moment they go public then the damage control machine goes to
work to stigmatize the whole thing; you know how they do that.
The Menzingen-denizens would get in touch with the key players to
make sure they are, shall we say, "discouraged" from coming clean
with the goods, or whatever.
It would be great to have an interview with this branding company
man who asked +Fellay the 150 questions. He's got his money. What
does he care? The exposure would probably be good advertising.
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Yes, I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding.
No problem. We must stay focused. The enemy is the devil and
those who serve him.
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland"?
And who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX?
Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
These are 3 unanswered questions. And there are going to be a lot more!
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Neil Obstat
These are 3 unanswered questions. And there are going to be a lot more!
Indeed. I sought to help and was told I was obsessed so count me out of asking questions.
Do people really care? Most Irish SSPX folk will be at the pro-life vigil in Dublin tomorrow. The vast bulk don't really concern themselves with the internal politics of the SSPX. As Fr Boyle stated it is not for the laity to meddle in the business of the SSPX.
It would be wrong of me to state that most people don't give a s*it but it is important to stay focused.
My point really is most people won't be troubling themselves with matters that do not concern them. The main thing is to have a chapel and valid sacraments.
The business partner of the Superior General etc etc is not really their business.
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Cantatedomino: "Again the devil took Him up into a very high mountain, and shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to Him: All these will I give Thee, if falling down Thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve".
That's it: Which one of the Bishops is the True follower of Our Lord?
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John Grace, I understand you. My consolation: how many were at the Cross?
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The January Angelus just got very popular.........
Don't forget that the First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus corroborates his sermon.
If anyone can scan this First Word column and post it, we'd all
appreciate that!
Does anyone have a copy to scan and post, or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.
... Fr. Girouard points to the hard evidence of Fr. Wegner's announcement of the new policy in the January 2012 Angelus "Last Word" column:
"We will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight, but we will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art..."
Does anybody have a copy of that Angelus to verify Fr. Girouard's hard evidence?
... Here is the relevant language from Fr. Wegner's "Last Word" in the January 2012 Angelus:
"A renowned European branding firm developed a corporate style for the Society which is supposed to be used not only for The Angelus but for all kinds of publications, for correspondence as well as for the also renewed website. I’m very happy being closely involved in this work and honored writing these lines. Our aspiration was to create the new Angelus for our constantly rejuvenating group of faithful. The style is new and fresh, appealing to old and young. The main target was a professionally-designed style which stands out from other magazines by its clarity and readability, so that even the larger amount of pages and the greater number of articles will keep nobody from reading. Quite the reverse: we want to make it a pleasure for you to read!
"A second big change in The Angelus is the way pictures will be presented. You will find a number of selected pictures introducing you to the richness and beauty of the faith. By themselves they are a source of instruction and a cradle of meditation. Contemplating the beauty of the images will deepen your joy and generate your admiration. Spread throughout the magazine they will give you a moment of rest. The pictures will even attract your
children’s attention. They will look at them and ask you questions. And you will take the time for the explanation. Later on they will start to read by themselves. So The Angelus wants to become the magazine of whole the family.
"A third characteristic of the new style is its positivity. Bare of any aggressive and imposing element it commits us to a positive way of writing. For sure, we will have to denounce outrage wherever it occurs, but mainly we want to stand out by positive reporting, by well written,
sound articles. The Angelus wants to be attractive by promoting the splendors of Tradition, the beauty of the faith.
"With this first issue of The Angelus you receive a means of apostolate. You hold in your hands a unique Catholic magazine: by its content and presentation it it will be able to convince those who are still in doubts and win those who are far from the faith."
Fr. Girouard: "[The Angelus] will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight"
Fr. Wegner: "A third characteristic of the new style is its positivity. Bare of any aggressive and imposing element [the new style] commits us to a positive way of writing."
Fr. Girouard: "[The Angelus] will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art..."
Fr. Wegner: "The Angelus wants to be attractive by promoting the splendors of Tradition, the beauty of the faith."
Thank you for confirming Fr. Girouard's report on the newstyle-SSPX Mr. McFarland.
from here:
http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=12503&view=findpost&p=22065892
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So far as I am concerned, the only "brand name" that interests me is "Catholic."
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“(…) And so Father Wegner asked that man of that company to do the branding of the Society, and so that man said: “I will look into the Society on the website; I will let you know.” A couple of weeks later he phones Father Wegner, and he says: “Father, I refuse; I refuse the contract, because I looked over your name SSPX, and you don't have a good name out there, and I don't want my company to have the blemish of having you as a customer.” So Father Wegner says: “Well, at least give us a chance! Let's hear our own side, what we have to say. I will organize a meeting for you and Bishop Fellay in Menzingen, in Switzerland, and at least give us the chance to answer all of your questions, and after that you will decide!” So the man said : “Fair enough.” So they organize the meeting in Menzingen, and Father Wegner told me that the man went there and asked one hundred and fifty questions to Bishop Fellay, and Bishop Fellay answered all of these questions, and it lasted six hours! For six hours! And, at the end, that man said: “Okay, I will take the contract of the Society, and I will do your branding.”
For a “top 5” company in Holland to now decide to do the contract after discerning 150 questions addressed to Bishop Fellay, to see if BF (the SSPX) will be a good customer so as NOT to blemish his company, hence the reason of his first refusal, that the company from Holland was then satisfied that there will be success, and BF will change and update to its new branding.
Also, to do such a “contract”, you will need to sign legal papers from the company, and place some money down to show good will.
There you have it. Since the Holland company had done the contract, the contract had to have been based and termed that BF (the SSPX) will NOT blemish his company and will follow his (the pagan’s) instructions to be “re-branded” into the world for a “new Catholic image”.
Bravo…Bishop Fellay! To all of your credit, with Fr. Wegner, you have “updated” the SSPX to the modern world just like Vatican II had done. Every rock is becoming undone under your leadership!
Do you feel good that you are sinking the Church, and Tradition, which you were supposed to represent?
I have a question for you? Since you have “updated the SSPX to the modern world” (as prophesied by our Lady’s apparitions that the Church will fall in such a path of disaster), and you did this all for our Lord I am sure you would say, what is it that you want our Lord to do for you…?
“And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.” (Matthew 25:40).
It would be better that you resign, go to a monastery, and do penance for your grave scandals…
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At the Angelus Press conference a few years ago, whose topic was "Archbishop Lefebvre", Fr. Kenneth Novak started his talk in his usual humorous way. He had an article about how KFC thought they needed to re-familiarize their customers with Colonel Sanders, because the younger generation didn't know him. It all had to do with re-branding. And Fr. Novak said, we have to do the same with Archbishop Lefebvre, to remind the younger generation what he was all about. "He's our brand!!" Fr Novak said. Makes me think he knew about this re-branding business then. Does anyone have the audio of that conference? Because I wonder if that comment survived the censors. Fr. Novak's talk was only made available later, because they wanted to censor out some comments he made, because they didn't meet with the newSSPX's approval. It would be interesting to know if the KFC/"Brand!" comments are still in.
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Am I wrong to feel angry at Bp. Fellay and associates? It seems he has "marketed" my soul without my knowledge or consent. What is even worse is that he has marketed the souls of his own priests and a fellow bishop! There is now a large sign over my heart--NOT FOR SALE!
"..there shall be among you lying teachers...And many shall follow their riotousness, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you." II St. Peter 2:1-3.
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This is the biggy!
This is the smoking gun. This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.
This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.
Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".
Shame on you SSPX.
Exactly what I was thinking!
This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.
How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?
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Cantatedomino: "Again the devil took Him up into a very high mountain, and shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to Him: All these will I give Thee, if falling down Thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve".
That's it: Which one of the Bishops is the True follower of Our Lord?
That would be Bishop Williamson.
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Exactly what I was thinking!
This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.
How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?
That's the thing: they weren't ashamed to admit it. LordPhan practically said he was told something similar!
They lived in a pre-internet mindset where displays of blatant cynicism to demoralize people would not backfire on them.
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I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]
“This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]
“This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?
I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?
This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.
You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called
his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and
between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would
have had no problem with it. So there.
How could this account not be true? Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?
Are you insinuating against his reputation? How DARE you.
How stupid...no I don't know anything about Fr. Girouard...if I did, I wouldn't need to question now, would I?
Come off it...bub. Look here...you are located in my area and I don't know you from squat...okay? Why don't you reveal your identity and we'll talk face to face one day after mass....because right now as I know it...there isn't one resistance supporter at this chapel to my knowledge...either they're yellow bellied, or they don't exist....
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This is the biggy!
This is the smoking gun. This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.
This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.
Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".
Shame on you SSPX.
Exactly what I was thinking!
This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.
How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?
I appreciate your sense about this, Matthew, and I do so much hope that
your outlook pans out. All I can think of to do is print out Fr. Girouard's
sermon for Corpus Christi, LINKED HERE (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25067&f=19&min=10#p0), and pass it around,
because when someone holds a copy in hand they might actually read it.
And they might not like to see what they read, but after a few days,
maybe the words will start to sink into their mind. Maybe not, but if not,
then there is certainly nothing you or I or anyone could tell them that
would make any difference.
It is now time for +Fellay to gracefully bow out and leave. His time is over.
He has utterly failed to live up to the demands of his office.
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Fr. Girouard is the sleeping giant. And he has been awakened.
The Resistance has now entered a new category of effectiveness.
Praised be God in His angels and in His saints!
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COME RIGHT IN!
Dear friend,
Thank you for visiting me today! It is my pleasure to welcome you into my office. Let me tell you a bit about what we have to offer you right now...
Firstly, let’s say that the website home page will contain my editorials, declarations, articles, sermons, and conferences. Indeed, what will make this website different from the others is that you will come to visit and communicate with me, to get some news, and to know my point of view on a variety of topics. This is why, instead of naming this page the “Home Page”, we have decided to give it the title “Father Girouard Speaks”. The Society’s Superiors have done all they could to silence me, well, I am just beginning talking!
................. Alleluia! ................
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Yes, this pretty much explains everything.
While I agree with your knee-jerk reaction, for it is the same one
I had had upon reading Fr. Girouard's sermon and hearing him
speak it. -- But then, when I read this post yesterday, I wasn't
so sure about it at first sight.
I didn't really know why. Now, today, I think I have an answer for
that hesitancy. You say, "This pretty much explains everything."
Okay, but we were saying that about GREC when that news erupted,
even though it had been 'hiding in plain sight' for several years
already. And we said that about 'el Krahgate' too. And we likewise
said that about the abominable AFD when it was ultimately leaked.
So this is turning into a refrain. We need a songwriter. :guitar:
THIS PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!
It would make a great Irish Folk Song!
The suspicion that the SSPX was becoming unduly concerned with its public image is corroborated here.
Remember, we were told Bishop Williamson had to go because his presence was damaging the apostolate of the SSPX.
In reality, he was an obstacle to this branding campaign.
What madness.
Absolutely! It is madness, for sure. The folly of man toward his
ultimate and eternal demise in sin has no peer.
The ousting of Bishop Williamson was all about the Menzingen-
denizens and their concern for their public image -- the plan for
which they PAID FOR DEARLY with the widow's mites they had
collected over the years.
If the SSPX grew, it was precisely because of its willingness to combat the errors of Rome and Vatican II, not because it was silent on the matter.
What kind of incompetence (at best) hires a marketing company to make the SSPX appeal to a world opposed to what it stands for....unless the marketing campaign tells management it must no longer oppose, in order to gain the approval of the world.
Is this not exactly what happened at Vatican II: An attempt to reconcile the Church with the modern world.
Bishop Williamson is again vindicated when he says, The crisis in the SSPX in all respects resembles the crisis in the Church after Vatican II."
Very true. The re-branding campaign utterly ignores what it was
that made the Society great in the first place, and any decent
marketing company would never advise such a thing for their
customer -- that is, unless the thing against which they advise
is due to its conflict with the core principles upon which the
marketing firm itself is squarely founded............. :scratchchin:
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Am I wrong to feel angry at Bp. Fellay and associates? It seems he has "marketed" my soul without my knowledge or consent. What is even worse is that he has marketed the souls of his own priests and a fellow bishop! There is now a large sign over my heart--NOT FOR SALE!
"..there shall be among you lying teachers...And many shall follow their riotousness, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you." II St. Peter 2:1-3.
This was my reaction, as well. This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.
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This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.
Me too. :scared2:
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Second edition downloadable .doc file -- I added page numbers
to this, and fixed a few more typos that I missed previously.
This is a great sermon. Fr. Girouard is a tremendous asset to
the Resistance. His gentle and intrepid resolve is most edifying.
We have so much to learn from this giant of a teacher.
Simply a giant. I can't think of a better word.
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Third edition, same sermon. Less bold font, indent quotes,
more consistent spacing. It's up to 6 pages.
Someone might prefer an abbreviated version that gets
to the point faster, but I'm not sure I want to decide what
to omit, so whoever is up to that task -- go for it!
If you just print the hardest - hitting sentences from this
it would be very powerful, but also easier to criticize based
on subjective judgments. We need to avoid subjectivism.
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From the Sermon.......
...So here, I don't know... You know, normally, you brand a cow! But he tells me now that the Society has been branded! So I was able to keep walking, I did not drop dead but... And then he told me: “Yes Father, that is true, and I did it!” Oh! You did it. How did you do it? “Well, when I was in Holland, District Superior, I met with somebody, I became friend with the President of a company...” (and then he named me the name of the company, it is a Flemish name which uh... is too strange to remember) but he said: “This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”
So for those of you don't know what branding is, I will explain briefly. Branding is...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/DKmJPnAGUJk[/youtube]
Kevin "Chuck" Connors was a Catholic. He's buried
at San Fernando Mission Cemetery in Mission Hills, CA.
Once or twice a year someone puts a few flowers on
his grave. His headstone has his photo, and the Cubs
and Dodgers and Boston Celtics logos.
May his soul and all the souls of the faithful departed
rest in peace. Amen. :pray:
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This information may not change the minds of some, but I am seriously re-thinking my attending the SSPX when the Resistance Masses are not available.
Me too. :scared2:
This steeled my resolve not to go, and made my decision a much more comfortable one. The temptations I was getting because I wasn't going were horrible, but now it will be much easier to fight them.
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What concerns me about SSPX priests and laity is lack of concern over grave and serious matters.Particularly laity with family and children.
What percentage of priests and laity will for example act upon the information in the 'key sermon'?. In my opinion very few will.
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On May 13, 2012 Fr. Wegner gave a sermon at the Church of the Transfiguration in Toronto where he spoke about the company and what an executive of this company said to him. You can listen to the recording at the link below. Start at the 22 minute mark. The recording is poor, so you will need to listen carefully.
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_Fr._Jurgen_Wegner_Sermon_.wav
Also, at around the 29 minute mark, you will hear Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.
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Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.
Bishop Fellay has done more than Archbishop Lefebvre. What I mean is Bishop Fellay has done everything to betray the Archbishop.
I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop.
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On May 13, 2012 Fr. Wegner gave a sermon at the Church of the Transfiguration in Toronto where he spoke about the company and what an executive of this company said to him. You can listen to the recording at the link below. Start at the 22 minute mark. The recording is poor, so you will need to listen carefully.
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_Fr._Jurgen_Wegner_Sermon_.wav
Also, at around the 29 minute mark, you will hear Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.
Much better sound:
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_fr._jurgen_wegner_sermon.mp3
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Fr. Wegner says that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.
Bishop Fellay has done more than Archbishop Lefebvre. What I mean is Bishop Fellay has done everything to betray the Archbishop.
I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop.
Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Grace. You had me worried there for a
minute! :confused1:
(I was thinking -- yeah, he's done more DAMAGE and stuff like that.)
RE: "I had actually forgotten that Bishop Fellay suppressed the sermons of the Archbishop."
P.S. Check this out from another thread ...... FYI:
Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25130&min=30#p4)
:surprised: Few understand my humor. I am joking. But do you seriously believe Fr. Rostand will allow mere sheep to record him? Is it a sin to do it anyway? I don't know. If he comes to my area, I intend to find an urgent reason to go to Mass elsewhere, maybe London! I've come to the place where I have enough evidence that the SSPX is done for. No need of beating a dead horse.
Frances,
I should have given more background to my post.
About 14 months ago, a Frenchman friend of mine met Fr. Rostand who was visiting at the Carson City chapel. In the coffee room, after Mass, he just told Father he had read the 219 unexpurgated sermons of +ABL (three volumes) in his original French.
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His point was to suggest that if the SSPX just followed +ABL's tough advise, concerning newChurch, they would have fewer problems.
Father Rostand took offense to the comments and pulled out his tape recorder during this conversation. He he told my friend, his reading of the sermons was "illegal". Illegal, because Bp. Fellay claimed copyrights to the SSPX sermons and had their publication banned in the French courts.
So, that's the basis for poor joke about "dueling tape recorders" in the coffee room. It also explains why I like to make fun of him and his foreign, absurd attitudes.
I have a hard time imagining reading 3 volumes in French.
HAHAHAHAHA
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This is the biggy!
This is the smoking gun. This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.
This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.
Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".
Shame on you SSPX.
Exactly what I was thinking!
This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.
How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?
The Fellay Accordistas don't care and lack any shame.
Although they were sure to deceive the faithful in "branding", now they claim it is the cool thing to do.
It seems there's a quickening to the neoSSPX diabolical confusion?
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The Rothschild/Rockefellers work fast in situations like this.
It's hook, line and sinker for them. The sinker is very heavy, and works like a charm.
The SSPX has been turned from an automatic weapon, into a squirt gun, in just a couple of years.
They do. Work. Fast.
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On May 13, 2012 Fr. Wegner gave a sermon at the Church of the Transfiguration in Toronto where he spoke about the company and what an executive of this company said to him. You can listen to the recording at the link below. Start at the 22 minute mark. The recording is poor, so you will need to listen carefully.
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_Fr._Jurgen_Wegner_Sermon_.wav
Also, at around the 29 minute mark, you will hear Fr. Wegner say that Bishop Fellay has in some respects done more than Archbishop Lefebvre.
Much better sound:
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2012_05_13_-_fr._jurgen_wegner_sermon.mp3
The voice of Fr. Wegner in this recording is the voice that told Fr.
Girouard all about the re-branding of the SSPX. This fact provides the
necessary backdrop for hearing this recording.
It's amazing the difference a little knowledge makes!
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The main doctrinal issues I see are the following:
1) To consider the Conciliar Church’s new religion as the Catholic Church. In theory and in practice; dealing with Rome and if she were actually the Catholic Church. Publicly Bishop Fellay said that the Conciliar Church has the 4 marks of the Church. This is a scandal which leads to be swallowed by wolfs. This error is a mortal sin against charity and prudence. They have the authority but they do not have the faith. In practice you have to deal with them as you deal with the Protestants.
2) To declare publicly, never retracted, that the Novus Ordo Misae promulgated by Paul VI is “legitimate”. Those words mean that this “Mass” obliges in conscience to Catholics since this mass was made a law in a legitimate way. This implies also that the Novus Ordo is for the common good, since whatever is made a law, through that very fact as any law, it is necessarily for the common good. Whereas Arch Lefebvre said it is intrinsically evil. Could be valid, but it is an abomination for God. It cannot be legitimate in any way whatsoever. It is a treason against the faith no to mention that this mass is evil, in a public declaration about the position of the SSPX concerning the Novus Ordo Misae.
3) The SSPX recognizes also the New Code of Canon Law, and it is willing to put itself under it without restrictions. It is an apostasy of the faith, since the new Canon is the setting as a “Rule” of the new religion of Vatican II, which is worse than the Assisi meeting as Arch. Lefebvre said. Just the wish of a “personal prelature” in an automatic manner of putting the SSPX under the new code of Canon Law. This act puts our faith under the obedience of a false religion = apostasy.
4) The SSPX publicly acknowledges that she is ready to pray the “new profession of faith” formulated by Benedict XVI. A master piece of the new religion.
5) The SSPX started few years ago its “aggiornamento” or adapting to the standards of the world, by realizing the scandalous re-branding through a non-catholic organization from Holland, in order to change SSPX’s image so that she would be more acceptable to the world. The SSPX intends to have influence “more and better” towards the world and the Conciliar Church by this re-branding. The SSPX in imitating the strategy of Vatican II: modifying itself so that it will be acceptable to the world.
From these issues flow more errors at the doctrinal level and at the level of prudence and morals.
Another grave thing is that the SSPX cannot any more justify its existence. There is not anymore state of necessity for the SSPX, since their aim has now has changed. The priority is not anymore to defend the faith, it has now another priority: to be united to Rome since she is catholic and the VAT II has many good things. They do not want to continue being “outside” the Conciliar Church. Therefore there is not necessity anymore to be “outside” not obeying the Pope. So this change of direction puts the SSPX in the dilemma of choosing only but one of two possible options: either makes an agreement with Rome or to become schismatic.
Only the priests of the Resistance keep holding the position of Arch Lefebvre and therefore the only ones who can justify the state of necessity, the supply jurisdiction towards the faithful and towards whoever want to continue being catholic.
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Fourth edition download - this time it includes the website name
of Fr. Girouard, http://www.sacrificium.org .............
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Fourth edition download - this time it includes the website name
of Fr. Girouard, http://www.sacrificium.org .............
I was hesitant to make a fourth edition because the downloads
have been reducing with each one. Members apparently don't
like to 'do it again' when they've already done it.
But I think this having the website showing on the printed
copy is very important. Everyone to whom I have handed a
copy of this great sermon has asked me for the website, and
I had to apologize for not having it already printed on the
page.
So, in the future, please try to remember to put the source
website right there on the front page, perhaps as a footer
or in its own title block near the top, because it should be
prominent.
Having the website source in prominent display adds
credibility to the docuмent. When a reader can verify the
source, he doesn't have to worry about whether what he's
reading is accurate or not.
---AND, I shouldn't have to explain that there is no shortage
of controversial material here, and the reader is most likely to
be inevitably faced with a struggle whether to believe what
he is reading, or disregard it as the Menzingen-denizens
would lead them to do.
Which is another reason that these 4 'editions' are decreasing
in downloads - the more 'editions' there are, the less
credibility they have. Oh, well, live and learn!