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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2013, 01:01:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
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    Quote from: bernadette
    Quote from: Columba
    Quote from: Fr. Girouard
    I would like to share with you about my conversations with Father Wegner in October... The thing that will explain why you do not anymore see the Society criticize in a strong manner, in a vigorous manner, the evils of Vatican II, the evils of the New Mass and what happens in Rome. [...]

    “This is a decision that has been made in Menzingen, okay? Yes, Father Girouard, and this decision in Menzingen was made because we have been branded!” [...]

    “This is the fifth most successful company in Holland, so it is a very important company, a very successful company, and a couple of years ago I visited them and I met again with this man, and I asked him to take care of the Society and to do the branding of the Society, because that company is specialized in branding.”

    What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland" and who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX? Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?


    I don't know..but wasn't there someone by the name of Krah who was instrumental and highly influential in laying out a new path for the Society these last few years?

    This account, if true, is a disgrace upon the SSPX.



    You can already be absolutely sure that B. Fellay picked up the phone and called his Krah buddy to ask if hiring this branding company would be a good idea, and between sipping his margarita on a bronzed beach in Borneo or whatever, he would have had no problem with it.  So there.

    How could this account not be true?  Do you know anything about Fr. Girouard?

    Are you insinuating against his reputation?  How DARE you.


    ???

    Nowhere did I insinuating against Fr. Girouard. I think it is important to know the names of the Holland corporation and the man who dealt with +Wegner and +Fellay.

    This latest scandal could be the catalyst for finally bringing down +Fellay so it is very important to get all the facts.



    You've misunderstood me, Columba.  Yours are good questions!  I was
    replying to bernadette, not to you.  Your quote is only there for context.
    I could have put the name "bernadette" in my reply but I thought it would
    be unnecessary, since so many members don't bother to identify to whom
    they're replying at all.  Sorry for the confusion.  I'll be more obvious next
    time.  


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    « Reply #31 on: June 07, 2013, 01:07:56 PM »
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  • Yes, I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #32 on: June 07, 2013, 01:17:12 PM »
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    The January Angelus just got very popular.........


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    Don't forget that the First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus corroborates his sermon.



    If anyone can scan this First Word column and post it, we'd all
    appreciate that!


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    What a BOMB!!!

    Does anyone have a copy to scan and post, or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.

    Deo gratias!



    We can use any other docuмentation as well.

    Fr. Girouard has said here that he is circulating a set of papers to key
    friends who are studying them and coming to their own conclusions.
    Maybe those papers are in French?  I wouldn't be too surprised.  If
    anyone has English copies, or if Fr. G. could submit a set to The
    Recusant,
    perhaps we could get a translation before too long?

    It seems that Fr. G. wants these docuмents to be read by certain
    people before they go public, and that is understandable, since the
    moment they go public then the damage control machine goes to
    work to stigmatize the whole thing;  you know how they do that.  

    The Menzingen-denizens would get in touch with the key players to
    make sure they are, shall we say, "discouraged" from coming clean
    with the goods, or whatever.  

    It would be great to have an interview with this branding company
    man who asked +Fellay the 150 questions.  He's got his money.  What
    does he care?  The exposure would probably be good advertising.



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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #33 on: June 07, 2013, 01:22:01 PM »
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    Yes, I see. Sorry for my misunderstanding.



    No problem.  We must stay focused.  The enemy is the devil and
    those who serve him.  



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    What is "the fifth most successful company in Holland"?

    And who is the man hired by Fr. Wegner and Bp. Fellay to re-brand the SSPX?

    Did Menzingen really pay hundreds of thousands for this re-branding?




    These are 3 unanswered questions.  And there are going to be a lot more!



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    « Reply #34 on: June 07, 2013, 01:42:41 PM »
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    These are 3 unanswered questions.  And there are going to be a lot more!


    Indeed. I sought to help and was told I was obsessed so count me out of asking questions.

    Do people really care? Most Irish SSPX folk will be at the pro-life vigil in Dublin tomorrow. The vast bulk don't really concern themselves with the internal politics of the SSPX. As Fr Boyle stated it is not for the laity to meddle in the business of the SSPX.

    It would be wrong of me to state that most people don't give a s*it but it is important to stay focused.

    My point really is most people won't be troubling themselves with matters that do not concern them. The main thing is to have a chapel and valid sacraments.

    The business partner of the Superior General etc etc is not really their business.


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    « Reply #35 on: June 07, 2013, 01:58:24 PM »
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  • Cantatedomino: "Again the devil took Him up into a very high mountain, and shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to Him: All these will I give Thee, if falling down Thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve".

    That's it: Which one of the Bishops is the True follower of Our Lord?

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    « Reply #36 on: June 07, 2013, 02:02:51 PM »
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  • John Grace, I understand you. My consolation: how many were at the Cross?

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    « Reply #37 on: June 07, 2013, 02:28:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    The January Angelus just got very popular.........

    Quote from: BrJoseph
    Don't forget that the First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus corroborates his sermon.


    If anyone can scan this First Word column and post it, we'd all
    appreciate that!

    Quote from: unprofitable servant
    Does anyone have a copy to scan and post, or the quote from the "First Word column in the January 2012 Angelus" which corroborates Father's sermon? It would help to set this profound information in concrete.


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    ... Fr. Girouard points to the hard evidence of Fr. Wegner's announcement of the new policy in the January 2012 Angelus "Last Word" column:

    "We will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight, but we will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art..."

    Does anybody have a copy of that Angelus to verify Fr. Girouard's hard evidence?

    ... Here is the relevant language from Fr. Wegner's "Last Word" in the January 2012 Angelus:

    "A renowned European branding firm developed a corporate style for the Society which is supposed to be used not only for The Angelus but for all kinds of publications, for correspondence as well as for the also renewed website. I’m very happy being closely involved in this work and honored writing these lines. Our aspiration was to create the new Angelus for our constantly rejuvenating group of faithful. The style is new and fresh, appealing to old and young. The main target was a professionally-designed style which stands out from other magazines by its clarity and readability, so that even the larger amount of pages and the greater number of articles will keep nobody from reading. Quite the reverse: we want to make it a pleasure for you to read!

    "A second big change in The Angelus is the way pictures will be presented. You will find a number of selected pictures introducing you to the richness and beauty of the faith. By themselves they are a source of instruction and a cradle of meditation. Contemplating the beauty of the images will deepen your joy and generate your admiration. Spread throughout the magazine they will give you a moment of rest. The pictures will even attract your
    children’s attention. They will look at them and ask you questions. And you will take the time for the explanation. Later on they will start to read by themselves. So The Angelus wants to become the magazine of whole the family.

    "A third characteristic of the new style is its positivity. Bare of any aggressive and imposing element it commits us to a positive way of writing. For sure, we will have to denounce outrage wherever it occurs, but mainly we want to stand out by positive reporting, by well written,
    sound articles. The Angelus wants to be attractive by promoting the splendors of Tradition, the beauty of the faith.


    "With this first issue of The Angelus you receive a means of apostolate. You hold in your hands a unique Catholic magazine: by its content and presentation it it will be able to convince those who are still in doubts and win those who are far from the faith."

    Fr. Girouard: "[The Angelus] will not anymore put the emphasis on the battle and the fight"

    Fr. Wegner: "A third characteristic of the new style is its positivity. Bare of any aggressive and imposing element [the new style] commits us to a positive way of writing."

    Fr. Girouard: "[The Angelus] will put the emphasis on the beauty of the Gregorian chant, the beauty of art..."

    Fr. Wegner: "The Angelus wants to be attractive by promoting the splendors of Tradition, the beauty of the faith."

    Thank you for confirming Fr. Girouard's report on the newstyle-SSPX Mr. McFarland.


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    « Reply #38 on: June 07, 2013, 03:06:22 PM »
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  • So far as I am concerned, the only "brand name" that interests me is "Catholic."  

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    « Reply #39 on: June 07, 2013, 03:31:17 PM »
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    “(…)  And so Father Wegner asked that man of that company to do the branding of the Society, and so that man said: “I will look into the Society on the website; I will let you know.” A couple of weeks later he phones Father Wegner, and he says: “Father, I refuse; I refuse the contract, because I looked over your name SSPX, and you don't have a good name out there, and I don't want my company to have the blemish of having you as a customer.” So Father Wegner says: “Well, at least give us a chance! Let's hear our own side, what we have to say. I will organize a meeting for you and Bishop Fellay in Menzingen, in Switzerland, and at least give us the chance to answer all of your questions, and after that you will decide!” So the man said : “Fair enough.” So they organize the meeting in Menzingen, and Father Wegner told me that the man went there and asked one hundred and fifty questions to Bishop Fellay, and Bishop Fellay answered all of these questions, and it lasted six hours! For six hours! And, at the end, that man said: “Okay, I will take the contract of the Society, and I will do your branding.”

    For a “top 5” company in Holland to now decide to do the contract after discerning 150 questions addressed to Bishop Fellay, to see if BF (the SSPX) will be a good customer so as NOT to blemish his company, hence the reason of his first refusal, that the company from Holland was then satisfied that there will be success, and BF will change and update to its new branding.

    Also, to do such a “contract”, you will need to sign legal papers from the company, and place some money down to show good will.

    There you have it.  Since the Holland company had done the contract, the contract had to have been based and termed that BF (the SSPX) will NOT blemish his company and will follow his (the pagan’s) instructions to be “re-branded” into  the world for a “new Catholic image”.

    Bravo…Bishop Fellay!  To all of your credit, with Fr. Wegner, you have “updated” the SSPX to the modern world just like Vatican II had done.  Every rock is becoming undone under your leadership!

    Do you feel good that you are sinking the Church, and Tradition, which you were supposed to represent?

    I have a question for you?  Since you have “updated the SSPX to the modern world” (as prophesied by our Lady’s apparitions that the Church will fall in such a path of disaster), and you did this all for our Lord I am sure you would say, what is it that you want our Lord to do for you…?

    “And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.”  (Matthew 25:40).

    It would be better that you resign, go to a monastery, and do penance for your grave scandals…

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    « Reply #40 on: June 07, 2013, 04:26:30 PM »
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  • At the Angelus Press conference a few years ago, whose topic was "Archbishop Lefebvre", Fr. Kenneth Novak started his talk in his usual humorous way.  He had an article about how KFC thought they needed to re-familiarize their customers with Colonel Sanders, because the younger generation didn't know him. It all had to do with re-branding.  And Fr. Novak said, we have to do the same with Archbishop Lefebvre, to remind the younger generation what he was all about.  "He's our brand!!" Fr Novak said.   Makes me think he knew about this re-branding business then.  Does anyone have the audio of that conference?  Because I wonder if that comment survived the censors.  Fr. Novak's talk was only made available later, because they wanted to censor out some comments he made, because they didn't meet with the newSSPX's approval.  It would be interesting to know if the KFC/"Brand!" comments are still in.


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    « Reply #41 on: June 07, 2013, 04:55:56 PM »
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  • Am I wrong to feel angry at Bp. Fellay and associates?  It seems he has "marketed" my soul without my knowledge or consent.  What is even worse is that he has marketed the souls of his own priests and a fellow bishop!  There is now a large sign over my heart--NOT FOR SALE!

    "..there shall be among you lying teachers...And many shall follow their riotousness, through whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.  And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you."   II St. Peter 2:1-3.

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    « Reply #42 on: June 07, 2013, 05:45:17 PM »
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    This is the biggy!

    This is the smoking gun.  This explains all the bad feelings we have had since all of the "talks with Rome" began.

    This explains all of the secrecy, the sacking of Bishop W since no Brand Name company can be associated with a "h0Ɩ0h0αx denier".
     And more recently the injection of the smiling Dear leader onto the Fatima media circus, ready to display the new softer, gentler, caring, SSPX, you know the one with no bones to grind, let bygones be bygones, nothing to see here lets all move along to get along, everything can be explained under the light of VaticanII, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    Thank you, and, God Bless you, Father G.

    Now where are the other SSPX Priests? Hiding under their comfort blankets? Waiting for the latest directive from Menzingen? There must be more of them know of this "branding".

    Shame on you SSPX.  



    Exactly what I was thinking!

    This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.

    How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?
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    « Reply #43 on: June 07, 2013, 05:46:32 PM »
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    Cantatedomino: "Again the devil took Him up into a very high mountain, and shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, And said to Him: All these will I give Thee, if falling down Thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and Him only shalt thou serve".

    That's it: Which one of the Bishops is the True follower of Our Lord?


    That would be Bishop Williamson.
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    « Reply #44 on: June 07, 2013, 05:48:07 PM »
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    Exactly what I was thinking!

    This is a BOMBSHELL, a crystal clear smoking gun.

    How can the Accordistas still show their faces in public?


    That's the thing: they weren't ashamed to admit it.  LordPhan practically said he was told something similar!

    They lived in a pre-internet mindset where displays of blatant cynicism to demoralize people would not backfire on them.