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Re: Just not right........
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2023, 04:36:05 PM »
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  • I'm just curious about whether Father Hewko was actually able to create some kind of rift between +Williamson and +Faure, as he claimed he did, or whether there was some misrepresentation there.  Father Hewko made it seem as though his new NH seminary has the support of +Faure and (indirectly) +Zendejas.

    No.

    According to +Zendejas, +Faure says Fr. Hewko exaggerated the words cited by him, and that +Faure would not support any projects of Fr. Hewko.

    Fr. Trincado adds that the essential part of the conversation between Fr. Hewko and +Faure, was that +Faure directed Fr. Hewko to discuss any matters with +Zendejas (ie., Basically functioning as North American District Superior).

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #16 on: November 13, 2023, 04:46:39 PM »
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    Father Hewko is but one unsettled case in the SSPX Resistance chaos.

    I blame Bp. Williamson’s Resistance plan of de-centralization and lack of hierarchy for the inevitable break-up and alienation of trad alliances and friendships.

    When the Resistance started in 2012, we had a common foe, Bp. Fellay and Menzingen’s judaized, rebranded SSPX.  

    There was hope of gaining critical mass and carrying on a coherent, nimble and scrappy fight. We had the materials to ordain priests and keep friendly TLM chapels reinforced.

    But when +W declined to take up the fight and settled on writing EC’s, an instant leadership vacuum was created.

    There was no rule, little direction or self discipline, allowing for “Jim Jones” apostolates like Pablo-Pfeifferville to arise. Or for the NeoSSPX to suck up independent chapels by the dozens.

    Father Hewko naively walked into the Pfeifferville warlock’s lair and was overcome by Santeria spells and curses. 

    He is likely still suffering from the occult effects, and angrily denies CI’s discussions of it.

    But a true Catholic resistance would offer Father Hewko some recourse, some way of rehabilitation.  Perhaps he needs a de-briefing, re-formation and maybe an exorcism?  

    It would be unwise to fully reject or discard such a priest.

    Father’s dilemma is a product of Resistance chaos… not Catholic order.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #17 on: November 13, 2023, 05:05:29 PM »
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  • Father Hewko is but one unsettled case in the SSPX Resistance chaos.

    I blame Bp. Williamson’s Resistance plan of de-centralization and lack of hierarchy for the inevitable break-up and alienation of trad alliances and friendships.

    When the Resistance started in 2012, we had a common foe, Bp. Fellay and Menzingen’s judaized, rebranded SSPX. 

    There was hope of gaining critical mass and carrying on a coherent, nimble and scrappy fight. We had the materials to ordain priests and keep friendly TLM chapels reinforced.

    But when +W declined to take up the fight and settled on writing EC’s, an instant leadership vacuum was created.

    There was no rule, little direction or self discipline, allowing for “Jim Jones” apostolates like Pablo-Pfeifferville to arise. Or for the NeoSSPX to suck up independent chapels by the dozens.

    Father Hewko naively walked into the Pfeifferville warlock’s lair and was overcome by Santeria spells and curses.

    He is likely still suffering from the occult effects, and angrily denies CI’s discussions of it.

    But a true Catholic resistance would offer Father Hewko some recourse, some way of rehabilitation.  Perhaps he needs a de-briefing, re-formation and maybe an exorcism? 

    It would be unwise to fully reject or discard such a priest.

    Father’s dilemma is a product of Resistance chaos… not Catholic order.



    Do you think that +W could have prevented what happened at Pfeifferville, by being more organized and hierarchical (authoritative?)? I suppose that's a possibility, but I'm not sure that Fr. Pfeiffer wanted to have any authority over him. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

    Though there is merit in your exorcism idea, doesn't a person have to consent to the to having an exorcism done, and as such, also admitting that there's a problem (with Fr. Hewko, that is)? You also mention some way of rehabilitation, but that too would involve admitting of a problem, which so far hasn't been done, that I've seen.



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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2023, 05:15:31 PM »
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  • When we were connected with OLMC, we could tell Fr Hewko's mental state by his hair. When he let it grow into "devil curls" his behaviors were questionable and confusing.  When he cut it, the fog had lifted and he distanced himself from the warlock. Even his very countenance changed.

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #19 on: November 13, 2023, 05:22:31 PM »
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  • I blame Bp. Williamson’s Resistance plan of de-centralization and lack of hierarchy for the inevitable break-up and alienation of trad alliances and friendships.
    I have a certain sympathy for what you are saying, Incredulous, I think many of us thought that way in the beginning.

    However, I think it is a mistaken view.

    I don't believe it would have prevented the Fr Pfeiffer scandal, and Bishop Williamson knew what he was dealing with here long before it became public, as Fr Chazal attests.

    Look at the SAJM, that wonderful venture of Bishop Faure. It didn't prevent division... Frs Rioult/Pinaud, Da Silva, Ballini...

    Consider Archbishop Lefebvre's own Society... a history of division. Indeed it is the history of the Catholic Church...

    The evils usually come down to individuals preferring their own ideas, even to the point of making them dogma.

    It is not for us to judge Bishop Williamson in such a matter. God alone knows what should have been done. But BW, like every single one of us, must be docile to the inspirations of the Holy Ghost - the fruit of the first Joyful Mystery of the Rosary. God's ways are not our ways.


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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #20 on: November 13, 2023, 05:27:17 PM »
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  • Do you think that +W could have prevented what happened at Pfeifferville, by being more organized and hierarchical (authoritative?)? I suppose that's a possibility, but I'm not sure that Fr. Pfeiffer wanted to have any authority over him. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

    I think this was discussed years ago.

    But Bp. Williamson gave Fr. Pfeiffer his first command to obey, and he disobeyed it. +W was completely against his running a Seminary. Pretty good leadership there, I must say. Just look how it turned out!

    What did you really expect +Williamson to do? To be an +ABL, and start an organization (like the SSPX), you have to have a number of humble priests VOLUNTARILY placing their hands in yours (I'm using imagery of the Ordination ceremony here) where the priest promises obedience to the Bishop.

    Because +Williamson does not have Church authority/jurisdiction to command *any* independent priest, including a priest who left the SSPX. Any ex-SSPX priests start out as "vagus" by default; it's between them and their conscience to find a good Bishop they can trust, and begin serving under obedience, to keep the SPIRIT of their vocation as a Bishops Helper. That's what a priest is: a Bishop's Helper. Just like a Religious (who had to leave his monastery or convent because it went Modernist/Novus Ordo) ought to do his best to keep the SPIRIT of his vows the best he can, and eventually join up with the first TRADITIONAL religious order he can find.

    In the early days of Tradition, many priests found themselves forced to be independent, because there were no good faithful Bishops in Tradition to submit to. But that isn't true today. Just find one, and submit already!

    Show me a priest who is totally independent in 2023, and I'll show you a priest who WANTS to be independent, who DOESN'T WANT to submit to the will of any Bishop, however wise and holy.

    But to return to Bp. Williamson --
    +Williamson just didn't have enough takers. Apparently the total numbers of Resistant priests were too low to start with, and 2012 wasn't the same environment as 1970.

    To fire up an SSPX-like apostolate, you need priests. Not just priests, but MISSIONARY priests willing to do lots of travelling. When you factor in the datum that a validly ordained priest CAN just go off and be independent ("his own boss") and in fact be well taken care of -- you have a recipe for disaster.

    There just aren't enough SAINTLY priests today, apparently. I should add: I'm not talking about priests whose AGE or HEALTH prevents a strenuous missionary apostolate. I'm talking about young priests who embrace "be your own boss" instead of working under a bishop to serve an organized network of chapels.

    I was privileged to hear a spiritual conference from Fr. Goettler wherein he described life in the SSPX during its lowest point, right after The Nine left in 1984 and siezed several properties, and priests for good measure. They even tried to win the "SSPX" name in court! (Notice the name they picked? SSPV) He described a hellacious travel circuit for the remaining SSPX priests working at the Seminary. They had to visit several chapels each and every weekend, and be ready for classes on Monday morning! It was a horrible, massive priest shortage.

    It should be made into a movie or TV series. Other adventures included posting strong laymen in various buildings, to prevent a PHYSICAL takeover of these disputed properties, because, as you might know, "Possession is 9/10ths of the law". I distinctly remember one detail: They kept baseball bats behind various doors in St. Mary's, KS.
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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #21 on: November 13, 2023, 05:33:14 PM »
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    But a true Catholic resistance would offer Father Hewko some recourse, some way of rehabilitation.  Perhaps he needs a de-briefing, re-formation and maybe an exorcism?  

    It would be unwise to fully reject or discard such a priest.

    Father’s dilemma is a product of Resistance chaos… not Catholic order.
    If Fr Hewko wanted rehab, he could get help.  He's a grown man.  And God would help him.  Whatever problems you assume he has, it's not +W's fault, or anyone else's.

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #22 on: November 13, 2023, 05:46:03 PM »
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  • Father Hewko is but one unsettled case in the SSPX Resistance chaos.

    I blame Bp. Williamson’s Resistance plan of de-centralization and lack of hierarchy for the inevitable break-up and alienation of trad alliances and friendships.

    When the Resistance started in 2012, we had a common foe, Bp. Fellay and Menzingen’s judaized, rebranded SSPX. 

    There was hope of gaining critical mass and carrying on a coherent, nimble and scrappy fight. We had the materials to ordain priests and keep friendly TLM chapels reinforced.

    But when +W declined to take up the fight and settled on writing EC’s, an instant leadership vacuum was created.

    There was no rule, little direction or self discipline, allowing for “Jim Jones” apostolates like Pablo-Pfeifferville to arise. Or for the NeoSSPX to suck up independent chapels by the dozens.

    Father Hewko naively walked into the Pfeifferville warlock’s lair and was overcome by Santeria spells and curses.

    He is likely still suffering from the occult effects, and angrily denies CI’s discussions of it.

    But a true Catholic resistance would offer Father Hewko some recourse, some way of rehabilitation.  Perhaps he needs a de-briefing, re-formation and maybe an exorcism? 

    It would be unwise to fully reject or discard such a priest.

    Father’s dilemma is a product of Resistance chaos… not Catholic order.

    I mostly agree with this.  Nice post, Incred!
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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #23 on: November 13, 2023, 05:53:28 PM »
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  • I have a certain sympathy for what you are saying, Incredulous, I think many of us thought that way in the beginning.

    However, I think it is a mistaken view.

    I don't believe it would have prevented the Fr Pfeiffer scandal, and Bishop Williamson knew what he was dealing with here long before it became public, as Fr Chazal attests.

    Look at the SAJM, that wonderful venture of Bishop Faure. It didn't prevent division... Frs Rioult/Pinaud, Da Silva, Ballini...

    Consider Archbishop Lefebvre's own Society... a history of division. Indeed it is the history of the Catholic Church...

    The evils usually come down to individuals preferring their own ideas, even to the point of making them dogma.

    It is not for us to judge Bishop Williamson in such a matter. God alone knows what should have been done. But BW, like every single one of us, must be docile to the inspirations of the Holy Ghost - the fruit of the first Joyful Mystery of the Rosary. God's ways are not our ways.

    some truth here too, but just for the record, the defunct USML was largely Pinaud/Rioult/Pivert’s attempt to create the hierarchy Williamson wouldn’t.  

    There’s also a secret history I won’t aire about why the SAJM finally formed, but it was not something Williamson initially supported.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 13, 2023, 07:31:24 PM »
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    According to +Zendejas, +Faure says Fr. Hewko exaggerated the words cited by him, and that +Faure would not support any projects of Fr. Hewko.

    Fr. Trincado adds that the essential part of the conversation between Fr. Hewko and +Faure, was that +Faure directed Fr. Hewko to discuss any matters with +Zendejas (ie., Basically functioning as North American District Superior).

    So, there's a very fine line there between exaggeration and lying.  Sounds to me as if he may have crossed that line, or else put a spin on it that was consistent with his wishful thinking.

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #25 on: November 13, 2023, 09:15:49 PM »
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  • I'm just curious about whether Father Hewko was actually able to create some kind of rift between +Williamson and +Faure, as he claimed he did, or whether there was some misrepresentation there.  Father Hewko made it seem as though his new NH seminary has the support of +Faure and (indirectly) +Zendejas.
    No, he didn’t, and no, it doesn’t.  ~From one in the know.


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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #26 on: November 13, 2023, 10:12:10 PM »
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  • I blame Bp. Williamson’s Resistance plan of de-centralization and lack of hierarchy for the inevitable break-up and alienation of trad alliances and friendships.

    Father Hewko naively walked into the Pfeifferville warlock’s lair and was overcome by Santeria spells and curses.

    He is likely still suffering from the occult effects, and angrily denies CI’s discussions of it.

    But a true Catholic resistance would offer Father Hewko some recourse, some way of rehabilitation.  Perhaps he needs a de-briefing, re-formation and maybe an exorcism.
    Please don’t pin the chaos on +Bp. W. The reason he declined to take leadership was because he was wise enough to foresee it in embryo form.  Way back in 2012, he held a retreat for priests at OLMC and saw the handwriting on the wall.  A certain individual was already in residence at that time and various attempts were made against His Excellency taking up authority. The weed seeds were already planted, and not by the bishop.  What’s we’ve seen the last decade is them sprouting and growing.  Now, we see blossoms and soon enough, there will be rotten fruit.  How very appropriate was Sunday’s gospel, the wheat and the tares!  
    I do believe you are correct about needing to pray for Fr. Hewko instead of just writing him off.  It seems he isn’t discerning between  the wheat and tares because they’ve grown up around and over him. (Ever get lost in a corn field?). He is right about one thing; he needs a bishop, not just for Confirmations and ordinations, but for his superior and spiritual director.  
    An extensive retreat under the guidance of a spiritual retreat would be just the thing, imho.  Whether that includes an exorcism, leave that up to someone holier and more experienced than anyone on Cathinfo!  (No, don’t burn his ordination card, Soubrious!)
    Remember when Christ’s Disciples wanted permission to curse a sad looking fig tree? Our Lord said, no, to water, prune, and manure it for another season, and only then, if it still didn’t produce good figs, should it be uprooted and burned.
    Another leafy but fruitless fig tree (symbolic of the Jews), Our Lord did curse, of His own accord, not the disciples. It at once dried up, withered, and died. 
    We are disciples, to act only as instructed by Christ, not of our own accord.  So let those of us unhappy with Fr. Hewko right now, treat him as the first fig tree.  



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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #27 on: November 13, 2023, 10:22:13 PM »
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  • When we were connected with OLMC, we could tell Fr Hewko's mental state by his hair. When he let it grow into "devil curls" his behaviors were questionable and confusing.  When he cut it, the fog had lifted and he distanced himself from the warlock. Even his very countenance changed.
    :confused:  Naw!  He was just being a typical guy who didn’t want to admit to male pattern balding!  But finally, like most men, he saw it was useless and cut them off.  I suppose, though, that can be a form of pride or vanity.
    Besides, the all-bald look is “in” right now, especially for exorcists!  Fr. Amorth accidentally started a fad!  

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #28 on: November 13, 2023, 10:36:22 PM »
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  • Reading the salty responses in this thread one would think Fr. Hewko insulted the Lyceum itself when the forum he was referring to is a <moderated>

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    Re: Just not right........
    « Reply #29 on: November 13, 2023, 10:56:57 PM »
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  • I see all the Fr. Hewko cult members are coming out of the woodwork. I hadn't seen a post by "Reconquest" for years.
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