Quote from: Seraphim

Well Rome must really be impressed.

Maybe it was Rome's decision. This news and the fact that they went through with part 3 of "Against the Rumors" indicates that he's already decided to go.

Marie is right.  The deal is done.  They are doing as much damage as possible on the way out.  Truly diabolical.

If this is indeed true that the Church will be denied the much needed growth of the Catholic priesthood for political and worldly reasons, it would be the gravest of scandals.

We wait for confirmation and hope that there is some valid reason for this cancellation. But if proven to be true, it would be outright demonic.

I am afraid that it is indeed true. There is no valid reason for this in canon law since the bishop is required to have a reason admitted in law for such a cancellation. There is none. Let us pray for these true disciples of Saints Dominic and Francis, that they remain firm.

The Dominicans and the Franciscans aren't willing to pay the price for the spiritual good of Orders.  The compensation of fidelity to "Sell-Out".  Nor are they willing to sacrilegiously offer "incense" to the neo-Religion.  

Can someone comment on this article? According to La Ciguena it say in it that + Fellay has already signed?



Riposte Catholique
La Prélature Saint-Pie-X : ce que Mgr Fellay a signé
22 juin 2012 par spo dans Eglise universelle, En Une, Informations avec 0 Commentaire

Malgré le secret très bien gardé des négociations entre Rome et la FSSPX, et quoi qu’il en soit des rebondissements épisodiques classiques « de dernière minute » dans ce genre d’affaires et qui usent (qui sont destinés à user ?) les nerfs, on connaît désormais l’essentiel de la Déclaration doctrinale signée par Mgr Fellay le 15 avril 2012, laquelle doit former le socle de la reconnaissance canonique de l’œuvre de Mgr Lefebvre sous la forme d’une Prélature personnelle.

En effet, dans sa conférence du mardi 5 juin 2012, à l’école St-Joseph-des-Carmes, l’abbé Pfluger, premier assistant du Supérieur général de la Fraternité Saint-Pie-X, a donné en substance les principaux éléments de cette Déclaration que, ce n’est plus un secret pour personne, la Commission Ecclesia Dei a estimée sur-le-champ tout à fait satisfaisante. Les termes souples de Mgr Fellay étant destinés à être reçus par ses interlocuteurs, tout en conservant la ligne ferme de Mgr Lefebvre. Une reprise fort intelligente, en somme, de la de la Formule d’adhésion de 1988.

Sur l’essentiel, au témoignage du premier assistant, Mgr Fellay a donc déclaré et a donc signé à propos des points qui font difficultés dans le Concile et la nouvelle liturgie que :

     « l’entière Tradition de la foi catholique doit être le critère et le guide de compréhension des enseignements du Concile Vatican II, lequel à son tour éclaire certains aspects de la vie et de la doctrine de l’Église, implicitement présents en elle, non encore formulés. Les affirmations du Concile Vatican II et du Magistère Pontifical postérieur relatifs à la relation entre l’Église catholique et les confessions chrétiennes non-catholiques doivent être comprises à la lumière de la Tradition entière ».

De quoi satisfaire tant la Commission Ecclesia Dei que ceux qui avaient des craintes à l’intérieur de la FSSPX.

Actually, reading Maria's last post it came to me that this would indeed make perfect sense IF the signature has already been given. We do not know yet however, it would seem to be the only logical reason save an overwhelming urge to vengance.

Can someone comment on this article? According to La Ciguena it say in it that + Fellay has already signed?



Riposte Catholique
La Prélature Saint-Pie-X : ce que Mgr Fellay a signé
22 juin 2012 par spo dans Eglise universelle, En Une, Informations avec 0 Commentaire

Malgré le secret très bien gardé des négociations entre Rome et la FSSPX, et quoi qu’il en soit des rebondissements épisodiques classiques « de dernière minute » dans ce genre d’affaires et qui usent (qui sont destinés à user ?) les nerfs, on connaît désormais l’essentiel de la Déclaration doctrinale signée par Mgr Fellay le 15 avril 2012, laquelle doit former le socle de la reconnaissance canonique de l’œuvre de Mgr Lefebvre sous la forme d’une Prélature personnelle.

En effet, dans sa conférence du mardi 5 juin 2012, à l’école St-Joseph-des-Carmes, l’abbé Pfluger, premier assistant du Supérieur général de la Fraternité Saint-Pie-X, a donné en substance les principaux éléments de cette Déclaration que, ce n’est plus un secret pour personne, la Commission Ecclesia Dei a estimée sur-le-champ tout à fait satisfaisante. Les termes souples de Mgr Fellay étant destinés à être reçus par ses interlocuteurs, tout en conservant la ligne ferme de Mgr Lefebvre. Une reprise fort intelligente, en somme, de la de la Formule d’adhésion de 1988.

Sur l’essentiel, au témoignage du premier assistant, Mgr Fellay a donc déclaré et a donc signé à propos des points qui font difficultés dans le Concile et la nouvelle liturgie que :

     « l’entière Tradition de la foi catholique doit être le critère et le guide de compréhension des enseignements du Concile Vatican II, lequel à son tour éclaire certains aspects de la vie et de la doctrine de l’Église, implicitement présents en elle, non encore formulés. Les affirmations du Concile Vatican II et du Magistère Pontifical postérieur relatifs à la relation entre l’Église catholique et les confessions chrétiennes non-catholiques doivent être comprises à la lumière de la Tradition entière ».

De quoi satisfaire tant la Commission Ecclesia Dei que ceux qui avaient des craintes à l’intérieur de la FSSPX.

It is hard to say. A google translation does render it as something signed. But I am not sure that this means what we think that it might. due to linguistic particularities.  I guess we shall see shortly.

Isn't this the text from the 'doctrinal preamble text leaked' thread? Certainly the bit at the bottom is the same which would be, in English:

The criteria and guide for the understanding of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council are to be the whole Tradition of the Catholic Faith, which on its part makes clear certain aspects of the life and doctrine of the Church, which are not yet formulated, but implicitly present in it. The affirmations of the Second Vatican Council and of the Pontifical Magisterium of the past relative to the relationship between the Catholic Church and the non-Catholic christian confessions are to be understood in light of all of Tradition.

There are some good commentaries on this in that thread. The most alarming thing about it is the bit about the heretical teachings of VII being implicit in Catholic Tradition from the beginning.

The bits at the beginning just say where we got the 'leak' from - Fr. Pfluger in France.

The following has been posted on IA, in regards to the upcoming Ordinations scheduled for 6/29/2012 in Econe:

Quote from: Bertha

It was announced at the Dominican Convent at Avrille this morning (Sunday 24 the June)that Bp Fellay has confirmed in writing that he will not be ordaining any Dominicans or Franciscans at Econe on Friday 29th June.

There are three Dominican subdeacons who were expecting to receive the diaconate at Econe on Friday and three Franciscan deacons who thought that they would be ordained to the Sacred Priesthood that day. Bishop Fellay's refusal to perform these six ordinations is, without doubt, because of the opposition he has faced from the religious communities at Avrille and Morgon (Franciscan) to his planned sellout of the SSPX to conciliar Rome.

Let us pray for these Franciscans and Dominicans who have been so badly let down.

 

Source

If this is true, and it seems that it is, then the deal has already been signed and now, since he is under the authority of Rome, the Bishop does not have permission to ordain anyone outside of the Society itself.

It's a done deal.  

At Mass today, two of our sons were confirmed by +Tillier de Mallerias.  He looked very tired and frail.  He had to have gentle assistance at the altar kneeling and rising.  It was mentioned by someone that he had been ill.  This mess is obviously taking its toil on his spirit.

I also noticed in the bulletin that a comment was included about the SSPX/Rome Agreement.  It said that nothing will be decided until after the General Meeting in July.  All priests who were ordained in those early years will be present.

After that, whatever details of the deal will be made public to us.  Be prepared.  B16 needs this regularization to happen.  Bishop Fellay apparently does, too.

The Society is about to implode and, sadly, the faithful are going to suffer.  We must all be prepared for whatever comes in the next few weeks.