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Judgment against leaders of the SSPX
« on: July 29, 2014, 07:38:03 AM »
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  • (Google translation)

    http://tradinews.blogspot.com.ar/2014/07/alexis-favre-letempsch-piratage.html

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    [Alexis Favre - LeTemps.ch] Piratage informatique chez les fous de Dieu

    SOURCE - Alexis Favre - LeTemps.ch - 29 juillet 2014

    Executives of the Society of St. Pius X are accused of identity theft. They tried to confuse dissidents fundamentalist priests

    Faithful of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (SSPX) - which includes the Ecône - the Valisian winemaker Dominique Giroud hit the headlines this summer for trying to hack computers of journalists who were investigating him.

    It now appears that the highest levels of the traditionalist Society have used similar methods in another matter. As told Le Temps, officials of the SSPX have usurped the identity of one of their priests on the Internet, and hacked the inbox of one of his colleagues, under ecclesiastical trial to open their against him in 2013 for "acts of ѕєdιтισn", by decree of the Superior General of the SSPX, the Valais Bernard Fellay. The file is now in the hands of the French court, the two priests - both French - filing a complaint.

    The case was the subject of a book self-published in 2014 by Father Francis Woodpecker, defender of one of the priests judged. A book that brings together the acts of the trial of Father P. * and whose advertising has not exceeded the inner circle.

    The dispute has its origins in the crisis that the SSPX for several years. Founded in 1970 by Bishop Marcel Lefebvre, it is no longer recognized by Rome since 1976, when the founder is suspended for his opposition to the reforms of Vatican II. In 1988, Marcel Lefebvre and the four bishops he ordained against the opinion of the Holy See - which Bernard Fellay and the h0Ɩ0cαųst denier Richard Williamson - are excommunicated.

    The rupture between Rome and the SSPX is complete until 2009, when the excommunication of the bishops is thrown. A period of discussion for a reconciliation with Rome, in which Bernard Fellay put a little water in his wine Mass fundamentalist. In essence, he believes that Vatican II could be acceptable, if the reforms are interpreted in the light of Tradition. The approximation fails but this is too much for the ultras they now challenge the authority of the Superior General, who they accuse of putting in danger the Brotherhood coming to terms with the "modernists" of the Holy See.

    Under the guise of anonymity, several members of the SSPX priests then multiply calls for the resignation of Bernard Fellay through anonymous letters or via websites "resistant". On 28 February 2013, the "Open Letter from SSPX priests 37 Mgr Fellay" is broadcast on these channels. Anonymous signatories accuse Bernard Fellay of "harm the common good of our society," accuse him of saying "anything and everything." For them, "evangelical righteousness was lost."

    The letter opens the way to ecclesiastical trial. On 7 March 2013, by circular, Father T., Secretary General of the SSPX, informed his flock that "enterprise of subversion has been unearthed in the Brotherhood." Father T. writes that "in close collaboration with Bishop Williamson, R. Abbe is the prime contractor for this insubordination, together with the Abbe P. and M. l abbot S. "Father T. announced that three priests were" records of any department "and they have" to go in separate priories. An ecclesiastical trial will be informed against them. "

    March 7, always a "penal order" signed by Bernard Fellay ordered Father P. "to surrender within 72 hours [...] the priory of Jaidhof (Austria) and remain there until the conclusion of ecclesiastical criminal trial. "Father R. is summoned him, to go to the priory of Wil, Switzerland, and the abbot must go to S. Albano (Italy). The March 18, 2013, Bernard Fellay erects an ecclesiastical court. District Superior of Switzerland, Father W. was appointed judge and Father Q., professor of moral Écône is appointed assessor.

    R. Father will never tried, preferring to leave the Brotherhood. Abbots S. and P. will both be convicted of seditious acts, statements of their ministry and compelled to forced residence: 4 months Priory Albano S. Abbot (he has already served two then) and 8 months to Jaidhof for Father P. (a sentence already served awaiting his sentence).

    Hacking and identity theft by the leaders of these canonical processes appear from around the indictment of Father P. Written by Father Q. The first part of the prosecution case , called "narration of facts" is no mystery: "Father W. [top district Belgium] created a fictitious e-mail address in the name of Father P. and used it between three and five both trap and lay colleagues involved in the rebellion. Father R. was the first target ... and the first bite and unfold. Williamson was also trapped. "For shoeing dissidents, the authors of the trap did not hesitate to sign some of the messages sent by the name of Father P.

    Later, Father Q. how Father W. was introduced into the inbox of the Abbe R. unwittingly: "Going on the Yahoo page, Father W. followed the procedure when the forgotten password. And then, two requests were made​​: 1. Surname of the father of Father R., a little research on the White Pages revealed without difficulty; 2. Then the name of the favorite teacher. After some hesitation, and helped by the Abbe T. [Secretary General of the SSPX], the word "Faurisson" allowed easy access to the mailbox, much like the keys you find a safe, trouble hidden in the vicinity. "

    According to our information, Abbot R. and P. Abbot seized the French justice. The first infringement of privacy and the second for identity theft. To believe the Lasapinière.info site, the IP addresses of "hackers" were located in Belgium and in the canton of Zug.

    Disaffected, Father Abbot R. and P. could not be contacted by time, just as Father François Woodpecker. It is therefore impossible to know what happened to their criminal complaints. Contacted, the SSPX said that the trials that have been brought within their ecclesiastical justice. "We do not erect above the civil law, we seek to respect", also wrote Father T. in response to our questions. And assert that "about Father P., the elements used in the case against him not stem from a process [...] where we have usurped his identity."

    After reading the trial transcript, it appears that the information obtained through false e-mail address has not been exploited by the prosecution. However, the exploitation of the contents of the inbox of the Abbe R. - "all docuмents received and sent" - was "left to the General House [seat of the SSPX in Menzingen (ZG)]" .

    For Geneva lawyer Nicolas Capt, specialist crime of new technologies, the French justice could come in. Although piracy appears to have been committed in Belgium and Switzerland, the French criminal law applies if "the victim of a crime punishable by imprisonment of French nationality," he says.

    In this case, the Penal Code punishes identity theft carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison, including when the acts were committed on the Internet. "This is to my mind the emails written by the third" false "Father P. and possibly attempts to recover the password of the Abbe R.," says the lawyer.
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    Offline peterp

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    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 10:20:42 PM »
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  • This is nothing new; it has always been the case. There is no strict right to privacy for members of an Ecclesiastical Institute. A superior can open emails, enter rooms, go through draws, listen in on phone calls and conversations as soon a serious motive exists.


    "It is also lawful to read the writings of others that are meant to be secret, if one has a right to know what is in them: for in such a case the owner would be unreasonable if he wished to exclude one from the knowledge.  Thus, the public authority (e.g. in time of war) has the right to open and read private papers, when this is necessary for the common good; parents and heads of boarding schools may examine the correspondence of their subjects, though parents should respect conscience matter and others should not read family secrets; private individuals have the natural right, as a measure of self-defense, to read another's letter, when there is prudent reason for thinking that it contains something gravely and unjustly harmful to themselves (such as a conspiracy, a trap, a calumny)." (Moral Theology A Complete Course Based on St. Thomas Aquinas and the Best Modern Authorities, McHugh and Callan)

    If you think the secular courts are the right way to proceed, then you can have no complaint by someone who attempts to use the same courts to prosecute priests of hate crimes (eg. preaching against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity from the pulpit) or even using such courts to force priests to reveal what was said in the confessional.

    The mine simply boggles at these Resistance priests and their supporters. Whose side are they on; their actions are certainly not Catholic.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 11:06:57 PM »
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  • Let me put it another way...

    Mr. Rainbow objects to a priest's sermon. He raises a complaint with the appropriate ecclesiastical authority. They review what the priest said and judge it to be sound Catholic doctrine. Case dismissed. Mr. Rainbow, unhappy with the decision, takes the case before a secular court who subsequently rule in Mr. Rainbow's favor, awarding damages (or may be even a custodial sentence...).

    The resistance priests are setting a dangerous precedence here... just think about it.

    Of course, as the resistance priests are not Sede Vacantist, they "truly!" believe Francis is the pope, so they can always, and ought to, appeal to Rome - and this has been done in the past (Fr. Paul Aulagnier, for one, I think). But they haven't. Why not? ... A rhetorical question because, as we all know, in practise, they are Sede Vacantist.

    When "The Nine" were expelled from the Society, they tried to appropriate property belonging to the Society, and took the Society to court. Bp. Williamson claimed in one of his Letters from the Rector (sorry, can't remember which one) that "The Nine" were excommunicated by bringing such action before the secular courts...

    I wonder if he still holds this view.  



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    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 05:53:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: peterp
    Of course, as the resistance priests are not Sede Vacantist, they "truly!" believe Francis is the pope, so they can always, and ought to, appeal to Rome - and this has been done in the past (Fr. Paul Aulagnier, for one, I think). But they haven't. Why not? ... A rhetorical question because, as we all know, in practise, they are Sede Vacantist.

    Avoidance of judicial appeal to newrome is Sede Vacantist? You employ the same concilarist reasoning used against the SSPX.

    Quote from: peterp
    When "The Nine" were expelled from the Society, they tried to appropriate property belonging to the Society, and took the Society to court. Bp. Williamson claimed in one of his Letters from the Rector (sorry, can't remember which one) that "The Nine" were excommunicated by bringing such action before the secular courts...

    I wonder if he still holds this view.

    SV's employed secular courts against the SSPX as a convenient weapon in combat. H.E.'s "excommunication" was made in the same spirit. The actual rules of inter-trad combat will necessarily remain ad hoc until hierarchy is restored to adjudicate.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 05:23:22 AM »
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  • It does bring to mind the painful past with the nine, but this is something different entirely. It was a criminal act for the authorities to steal identities and impersonate priests online. The sort of thing would have never been done by Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Just because they are authorities does not give them the right to break the law. It is only natural to want justice against someone who has committed a crime against you, such as invade your personal lives and steal your id!

    St. Thomas never said that they could write letters in your name to deceive others!!
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 08:57:35 AM »
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    It's so funny how the MSM-lemmings have fallen into formation behind the Zionist scuм line.

    Quote from: It

    Founded in 1970 by Bishop Marcel Lefebvre, it is no longer recognized by Rome since 1976, when the founder is suspended for his opposition to the reforms of Vatican II. In 1988, Marcel Lefebvre and the four bishops he ordained against the opinion of the Holy See - which Bernard Fellay and the h0Ɩ0cαųst denier Richard Williamson - are excommunicated.


    Whenever you see "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier Richard Williamson," you should mentally replace it with "'h0Ɩ0cαųst' truth seeker Bishop Richard Williamson." Then it would look like this:

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    Founded in 1970 by bishop [Archbishop] Marcel Lefebvre, it [the SSPX] is no longer recognized by Rome since 1976, when the founder is [was so-called] suspended for his opposition to the reforms of Vatican II. [Actually, wasn't it because their 6-year 'temporary' approval had expired?] In [As of] 1988, Abp. Marcel Lefebvre and the four bishops he ordained [consecrated] against the opinion of the Holy See - which [include] Bp. Bernard Fellay and 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' truth seeker Bishop Richard Williamson - are [were so-called] excommunicated.


    There.  Isn't that more readable now?  

    Founded in 1970 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX is no longer recognized by Rome since 1976, when the founder was so-called suspended, for his Society's 6-year 'temporary' approval had expired.  As of 1988, Abp. Marcel Lefebvre and the four bishops he consecrated against the opinion of the Holy See - which include Bp. Bernard Fellay and 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' truth seeker Bishop Richard Williamson - were so-called excommunicated.  

    Now that the fuzziness is all cleared up, the glaring omission emerges:  Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais and Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta are conspicuously missing.  

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    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 08:56:55 PM »
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    Avoidance of judicial appeal to newrome is Sede Vacantist? You employ the same concilarist reasoning used against the SSPX.

    Not really, the same reason that he won't request from Rome permission when in the "almost very near future" he decides to consecrate: practical SV, even if he won't formally embrace it  - He'd have to admit Fr. Chekada was right all along (interesting in his EC he did acknowledge the Society would first seek permission, as Abp. Lefebvre did... Slip of the tongue or pen?).

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    SV's employed secular courts against the SSPX as a convenient weapon in combat. H.E.'s "excommunication" was made in the same spirit. The actual rules of inter-trad combat will necessarily remain ad hoc until hierarchy is restored to adjudicate.

    Right, so the ends justifies the means and there is no hierarchy, so use what tools are available. But The Resistance claim not to be SV, yet these action are only justified in an SV domain: ah, yes! Practical SV; their actions betray them.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 02, 2014, 12:35:03 AM »
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    Avoidance of judicial appeal to newrome is Sede Vacantist? You employ the same concilarist reasoning used against the SSPX.

    Not really, the same reason that he won't request from Rome permission when in the "almost very near future" he decides to consecrate: practical SV, even if he won't formally embrace it  - He'd have to admit Fr. Chekada was right all along (interesting in his EC he did acknowledge the Society would first seek permission, as Abp. Lefebvre did... Slip of the tongue or pen?).

    Nice reframe. Ok, we'll move on from judicial appeal to talk about getting newrome's permission to consecrate a bishop. ++Lefebvre did not get it an neither will +Williamson. Neither will +Fellay unless he makes a compromise toward Modernism. Are you saying that +W should seek such permission?

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    SV's employed secular courts against the SSPX as a convenient weapon in combat. H.E.'s "excommunication" was made in the same spirit. The actual rules of inter-trad combat will necessarily remain ad hoc until hierarchy is restored to adjudicate.

    Right, so the ends justifies the means and there is no hierarchy, so use what tools are available. But The Resistance claim not to be SV, yet these action are only justified in an SV domain: ah, yes! Practical SV; their actions betray them.

    The ends does justify the means unless said means is against the rules. There are no defined rules for post-VII inter-trad combat. Combatants are expected to act in good faith, but rarely credit the other side as having done so.