Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 37 38 [39] 40 41 ... 46

Author Topic: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V  (Read 28882 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Pax Vobis

  • Supporter
Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #190 on: August 18, 2023, 10:17:32 PM »

Quote
And all of that stuff is primarily concerned with things going on in the Roman Catholic Church.
:jester:  No. 
Logged

Offline Stubborn

  • Supporter
Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2023, 04:38:24 AM »
Quote from: Meg on August 18, 2023, 02:01:19 PM
What Pope do you obey, then? If our duty is to God AND the Pope, then surely there is a Pope somewhere that you obey.
....
What Pope do you obey? It is absolutely imperative that ALL Catholics submit to the Pope, correct? Why should you be off the hook? 
The sede idea puts duties before obedience. You are correctly referring to obedience in this reply while sedes are talking duties. See my sig. which seems simple enough to us, but sedes can't apply the Church's highest principle to the pope, and at the same time remain sede.

Also, the dogma states that for salvation it is absolutely necessary that all humans must be *subject* to the pope, it does not say we must *submit* to him with blind obedience.
Logged

Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #192 on: August 19, 2023, 07:59:17 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 19, 2023, 04:38:24 AM
The sede idea puts duties before obedience. You are correctly referring to obedience in this reply while sedes are talking duties. See my sig. which seems simple enough to us, but sedes can't apply the Church's highest principle to the pope, and at the same time remain sede.

Also, the dogma states that for salvation it is absolutely necessary that all humans must be *subject* to the pope, it does not say we must *submit* to him with blind obedience.

Thank you Stubborn for your good clarification.
Logged

Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #193 on: August 19, 2023, 08:05:28 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 18, 2023, 06:00:28 PM
No, Catholics are not required to pay lip service to a "cardboard" pope while deriding him.  Catholics are required to obey and submit to the Pope.  But obviously there can be times when there is no pope, such as during an interregnum.

When has an interregnum been announced by competent Church authorities? Or is that something that the laity get to decide for themselves? See, that seems democratic to me. Just as the laity getting to decide if a Pope is really a Pope. It's as if the Pope is subject to the laity. So, with these democratic principles in mind, you should be choosing your own pope. In democracies, the PEOPLE elect their own government. 
Logged

Offline Quo vadis Domine

  • Supporter
Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #194 on: August 19, 2023, 08:07:20 AM »
I guess that “He who hears you hears Me” doesn’t apply. It’s basically neo-Gallicanism. The only thing that saves them from actual schism is the fact that Bergoglio isn’t a true pope.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 37 38 [39] 40 41 ... 46
« previous next »