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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #165 on: August 18, 2023, 04:02:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on August 18, 2023, 03:53:21 PM
    Meg, read below the description of your Pope. And consider that last point about those that will be judged? Why will they be judged? Because they have "consented to iniquity." They will not need to actually commit the sin themselves. It will be enough for them to "consent" to the sin of "that wicked one." Do you think that by calling him "the Holy Father" you might be "consenting" to what he is doing?


    8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,
    Et tunc revelabitur ille iniquus, quem Dominus Jesus interficiet spiritu oris sui, et destruet illustratione adventus sui eum :
    9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
    cujus est adventus secundum operationem Satanae in omni virtute, et signis, et prodigiis mendacibus,
    10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
    et in omni seductione iniquitatis iis qui pereunt : eo quod caritatem veritatis non receperunt ut salvi fierent. Ideo mittet illis Deus operationem erroris ut credant mendacio,
    11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
    ut judicentur omnes qui non crediderunt veritati, sed consenserunt iniquitati.

    Why haven't you elected yourself a pope? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #166 on: August 18, 2023, 04:11:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 18, 2023, 04:02:43 PM
    Why haven't you elected yourself a pope?

    The next real Pope we will see will come from the fulfillment of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy.

    Most important thing is that you don't want to be the person who calls "the Antichrist" the "Holy Father." At least be on the safe side and admit that Bergoglio cannot possibly be the Pope. Papal interregna have happened throughout the history of the Church. There is nothing strange about a period of sede vacante.
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #167 on: August 18, 2023, 04:16:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on August 18, 2023, 04:11:38 PM
    The next real Pope we will see will come from the fulfillment of the Holy Pope and Great Monarch prophecy.

    Most important thing is that you don't want to be the person who calls "the Antichrist" the "Holy Father." At least be on the safe side and admit that Bergoglio cannot possibly be the Pope. Papal interregna have happened throughout the history of the Church. There is nothing strange about a period of sede vacante.

    If you get to decide who is or who isn't the Pope, then you will also have to elect a pope of your own.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #168 on: August 18, 2023, 04:30:22 PM »
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    • This is just getting stupid already. 
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #169 on: August 18, 2023, 04:32:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 18, 2023, 04:30:22 PM
    This is just getting stupid already.

    True. But then you probably wouldn't agree that it's stupid to tell us that if we believe that Francis is the Pope, that we must obey him and be one in heart and mind with him, right? I think it's really stupid to tell us that.

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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #170 on: August 18, 2023, 04:39:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 18, 2023, 04:32:02 PM
    True. But then you probably wouldn't agree that it's stupid to tell us that if we believe that Francis is the Pope, that we must obey him and be one in heart and mind with him, right? I think it's really stupid to tell us that.

    Pope Pius X said it, Meg. Are you calling him stupid?

    https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/catechism-of-st-pius-x-1286

    62  Q.How should every Catholic act towards the Pope?
    A.Every Catholic must acknowledge the Pope as Father, Pastor, and Universal Teacher, and be united with him in mind and heart.
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #171 on: August 18, 2023, 04:41:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 18, 2023, 04:32:02 PM
    True. But then you probably wouldn't agree that it's stupid to tell us that if we believe that Francis is the Pope, that we must obey him and be one in heart and mind with him, right? I think it's really stupid to tell us that.
    You're right. I don't think that's stupid because that's what Catholics do with their popes.  The fact that you think it's stupid is pathetic. 
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #172 on: August 18, 2023, 04:42:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 18, 2023, 04:41:22 PM
    You're right. I don't think that's stupid because that's what Catholics do with their popes.  The fact that you think it's stupid is pathetic.

    Catholics are required to have a Pope. So when will you elect one?
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #173 on: August 18, 2023, 04:48:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 18, 2023, 04:42:51 PM
    Catholics are required to have a Pope. So when will you elect one?

    Meg, there have been many periods in which Catholics had no Pope for a period of time. One of those periods was for almost 3 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1268%E2%80%931271_papal_election
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #174 on: August 18, 2023, 04:50:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on August 18, 2023, 04:48:12 PM
    Meg, there have been many periods in which Catholics had no Pope for a period of time. One of those periods was for almost 3 years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1268%E2%80%931271_papal_election

    When did the Catholic Church announce that there's currently an interregnum? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #175 on: August 18, 2023, 04:52:42 PM »
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #176 on: August 18, 2023, 04:53:09 PM »
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    • LOL.  Anyone who continues to interact with Meg is stupid.  I was stupid to even respond to her.
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #177 on: August 18, 2023, 04:54:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on August 18, 2023, 04:52:42 PM
    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2022-12/pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-dies-aged-95.html

    I don't see anything about an interregnum in the link you provided, which I specifically asked for. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #178 on: August 18, 2023, 05:39:46 PM »
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    •   ::)  Ah, now I see we’ve devolved to name calling! 
    “Anyone who continues to interact with Meg is stupid.”  🤷🏼‍♀️ 
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #179 on: August 18, 2023, 05:58:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 18, 2023, 05:39:46 PM
      ::)  Ah, now I see we’ve devolved to name calling!
    “Anyone who continues to interact with Meg is stupid.”  🤷🏼‍♀️

    Well, she was calling herself stupid.
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