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Author Topic: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V  (Read 28893 times)

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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #130 on: August 06, 2023, 03:41:16 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on July 23, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
If Jorge Bergoglio publicly admitted that he is a heretic and none of the cardinals or bishops did anything about it, would you still consider him to be pope?

Pax Vobis, you continue dodging this question.  And I have a hunch as to why.  Whether you answer "yes" or "no", you'll hang yourself.  If you answer "yes", then you would be indirectly denying the Magisterium of Pope Pius XII.  If you answer "no", then all the arguing you have been doing against my position will go out the window. 

I will give you one more chance to prove me wrong:

If Jorge Bergoglio publicly admitted that he is a heretic and none of the cardinals or bishops did anything about it, would you still consider him to be pope?
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Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #131 on: August 06, 2023, 05:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on August 06, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
Really?  How many does it take?

It is not a question of "How many does it take," but it's a matter of your private interpretation of that particular code of canon law. 

Why should we take your interpretation as a fact that we must all adhere to, as if you are a pope yourself? 
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #132 on: August 06, 2023, 05:50:57 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on July 23, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
If Jorge Bergoglio publicly admitted that he is a heretic and none of the cardinals or bishops did anything about it, would you still consider him to be pope?

No.

In that case, a declaration by the Church of the fact of heresy would seem unnecessary:

The purpose of the declaration by the cardinals is to announce the fact of the pope’s heresy.  Therefore, he’d basically be doing that for them. 

At that point, either St. Bellarmine would kick in (ie., deposition by God from the moment of the declaration), or, per Cajetan/JST et al, the deposition would occur at the moment of the second declaration (ie., of his deposition).

Either way, the only question would be the timing of the deposition (between the 1st and 2nd declaration), sede vacante either being the case, or an imminent inevitability.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #133 on: August 06, 2023, 07:48:51 PM »
Sean’s answer sounds reasonable.  Either way, at that point, church officials would act in some manner, so my opinion would be irrelevant.  That’s why I haven’t answered the question… because my opinion is irrelevant.  
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Offline Seraphina

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #134 on: August 06, 2023, 08:46:38 PM »
What have the last how many pages to do with Frs. Hewko and Ruiz or their “Statement?”  :fryingpan:
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