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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2023, 07:33:28 PM »
Quote from: NIFH on July 20, 2023, 07:27:23 PM
As St. Ignatius says:  pray as though everything depends on God, and work as though everything depends on you.  God will fix this situation through His Blessed Mother, but He expects us to do our little bit.  He has made it clear that the Consecration of Russia is what He wants us to pray, sacrifice and work for.  It comes from the heresy of Quietism to adopt the defeatist attitude of 'we can do nothing.'

Where do you read "Quietism" into the statement that the situation is beyond human resolution?  We can obviously pray and make sacrifices, etc.  Point was that whether you're talking about a "hierarchy" thoroughly polluted with Modernism (with the exception of perhaps a literal handful of prelates) or a vacant See, both situations are beyond our capability to fix ... in any concrete or practical way.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #116 on: July 20, 2023, 09:18:07 PM »
Quote from: NIFH on July 20, 2023, 07:27:23 PM
As St. Ignatius says:  pray as though everything depends on God, and work as though everything depends on you.  God will fix this situation through His Blessed Mother, but He expects us to do our little bit.  He has made it clear that the Consecration of Russia is what He wants us to pray, sacrifice and work for.  It comes from the heresy of Quietism to adopt the defeatist attitude of 'we can do nothing.'
Well said NIFH. Are you sure that is St Ignatius who said that and not St Teresa of Avilla?
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Offline NIFH

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #117 on: July 20, 2023, 09:48:59 PM »
Quote from: Plenus Venter on July 20, 2023, 09:18:07 PM
Well said NIFH. Are you sure that is St Ignatius who said that and not St Teresa of Avilla?
Thank you.  A quick search seems to show St. Ignatius was quoting St. Augustine.
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Offline NIFH

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2023, 09:53:51 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 20, 2023, 07:33:28 PM
Where do you read "Quietism" into the statement that the situation is beyond human resolution?  We can obviously pray and make sacrifices, etc.  Point was that whether you're talking about a "hierarchy" thoroughly polluted with Modernism (with the exception of perhaps a literal handful of prelates) or a vacant See, both situations are beyond our capability to fix ... in any concrete or practical way.
Writing letters to the authorities asking for the Consecration is a concrete and practical way to work towards the end of the crisis.  There will always be something we can do.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #119 on: July 23, 2023, 04:06:57 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 17, 2023, 08:07:03 AM
:facepalm:  It's called "canon" law.  Only canons (i.e. church authorities) can interpret and apply it.  The only exceptions are if a laymen get a canon law degree (but even this is a post-V2 modernization).

What nonsense.  You continue to overlook the plain words used in Canon 188.4º.  Here we go again:

“Ob tacitam renuntiationem ab ipso iure admissam quaelibet officia vacant ipso facto et sine ulla declaratione, si clericus: A fide catholica publice defecerit.”
(1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 188.4º)

“Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation recognized by the law itself if a cleric: Publicly defects from the Catholic faith.”

ipso facto et sine ulla declaratione = upon the fact and without any declaration

A fact is perceived by the senses and apprehended by the intellect.  What you are saying is that the fact of public defection can only be observed by the Church authorities.  First of all, that is nonsense in and of itself because a simple layman can observe a fact.  Secondly, if that were the case, the Canon would not state "upon the fact and without any declaration".  It would say something like "upon the fact and declared by the competent authority".  Once again, you make Canon 188.4º moot.     
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