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Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2023, 12:48:10 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on July 12, 2023, 12:42:21 PM
Here is the video where Bishop Williamson defends the validity of the Novus Ordo Eucharist based on supposed Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles:

https://youtu.be/casxXTtQFPs?t=5399

Listen at the precise timestamp provided in the link above. You will hear Williamson's defense of these Novus Ordo "Eucharistic miracles."

He discusses the example of the "miracle" at Sokolka, Poland. But, you need to understand, the most famous Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracle was from Buenos Aires. Can you guess which Bishop approved the miracle of Buenos Aires? Yes, Bergoglio.

https://media.ascensionpress.com/2019/08/07/the-eucharistic-miracle-overseen-by-archbishop-bergoglio-pope-francis/

This tells me that the whole Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracle thing is a planned deception. There is no way that Jorge Bergoglio actually believes in Eucharistic Miracles. Bergoglio is a deceiver.

Does Bp. Williamson talk about, and/or approve, the so-called eucharistic miracle from Buenos Aires? I don't recall him talking about that one.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM »
Quote from: Seraphina on July 11, 2023, 09:38:14 PM
 For myself, I’ve never once heard him speak of modern Eucharistic miracles or actually promote the novus ordo. What he HAS said is that he hasn’t the authority to declare the novus ordo dogmatically invalid. He has also said he does NOT recommend attending it, but acknowledges there are likely still older people who attend and still have the Faith, also, that some novus ordo priests are on their spiritual journeys, en route to becoming fully traditional.  

Here is what Bishop Williamson says, in his own words, about attending the Novus Ordo:

https://youtu.be/casxXTtQFPs?t=5761

At the timestamp provided above, Bishop Williamson is telling a young traditional Catholic that HE should not rule out attending the Novus Ordo. He says, "you don't have to stay absolutely away [from the Novus Ordo]." 
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Offline BrianA

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2023, 03:42:24 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 11, 2023, 08:36:14 AM
So the only reason they're doubtful is due to "the intentions of the ministers"?  Does this mean it's possible that they'd align with a Novus Ordo priest (without conditional ordination) if it was determined that he was ordained in the New Rite by someone who clearly had the proper intention to ordain, such as a Bishop Schneider, for instance?
Yes. That's what they got taught at the SSPX.

The Council of Narnia says that if the minister doesn't have a serious look on his face then we should doubt the interior intention of the minister. Since everyone now smiles for pictures after the "sacraments," we now have to determine the look on the minister's face at the moment he said the form to know if it was valid or not. I think this is seminary 202 at the SSPX. It's all about the serious look... That's how we know the interior intention of the minister.  /S
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Offline poenitens

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2023, 06:00:55 PM »
Quote from: BrianA on July 12, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Yes. That's what they got taught at the SSPX.

The Council of Narnia says that if the minister doesn't have a serious look on his face then we should doubt the interior intention of the minister. Since everyone now smiles for pictures after the "sacraments," we now have to determine the look on the minister's face at the moment he said the form to know if it was valid or not. I think this is seminary 202 at the SSPX. It's all about the serious look... That's how we know the interior intention of the minister.  /S
:laugh2:

I think the same thing, lol
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Offline Marulus Fidelis

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2023, 06:11:26 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 12, 2023, 12:41:59 PM
:jester:  Church authorities are the only ones who can decide 'public defection'.

Unless you're a canon lawyer, your opinion means nothing.

Sure, but your "judgment" is meaningless and is protestant-thinking.

Until the Magisterium/church officials decide on the matter, and apply canon 188.4 to a particular case/person, then i'm not opposing anything.  I can't oppose a judgement which hasn't taken place.  ??

You are "privately interpreting" canon law just like protestants "privately interpret" Scripture.  The Church decides and teaches, in both cases.
Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation
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