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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2023, 10:17:00 AM »
Where did I write that I remove them from office?

You say that they remove themselves, But that's not true. You have removed them. You have no authority to do that.

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2023, 10:30:08 AM »
#2 is less tiresome and more productive for both you (learn more church history) and the protestant.  Doctrine is a much higher reference point and a more solid foundation for debating than a (so called conspiracy) theory about pope x, y or z wasn't pope.  In the end, even if you could prove 100% that pope x wasn't a pope, you still have to explain doctrine vs current errors so the person could learn the Faith.
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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2023, 10:43:34 AM »
You say that they remove themselves, But that's not true. You have removed them. You have no authority to do that.

They are removed by the law itself by tacit resignation.  That's what the law states.  I have not removed anybody.  I simply apply the law to a case. 

“Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation recognized by the law itself if a cleric: Publicly defects from the Catholic faith.”
(1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 188.4º)

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2023, 11:10:45 AM »

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The public sin of manifest formal heresy is a kind of public defection from the Catholic Faith.  

That's debatable. 


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Canon 188.4 speaks about the FACT of public defection and not the judgment of the Church for the loss of office to take place.
:facepalm:  

Person A says, (something heretical).
Person B says "Yeah, Person A publicly defected".  
Person A says "No I didn't.  I'm still Catholic."  
Person C says, "What Person A said wasn't catholic but I don't think he meant to defect."
Catholic Knight says "We can all privately judge what Person A did."

Result - Protestant style, individualistic-minded chaos.

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Once again, this goes back to your claim that one cannot judge the sin of heresy, for which claim you have refused to provide evidence.
:confused:  The default position is this:


MAJOR - Canon law (i.e. Church Law) can only be administered/judged by Church authorities.
MINOR - Simple Priests and the Laity are not part of Church authority.
CONCLUSION - Simple Priests and the Laity cannot administer/judge using Canon Law.

You are the one that has to prove any catholic individual can judge heresy.  The default position is a big, fat "No, you cannot."  This applies to any court room, in any country, all across the globe.  If you are not a lawyer, or trained in law, or a judge, you cannot take part in the legal process.

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2023, 11:24:19 AM »
That's debatable. 

:facepalm: 

Person A says, (something heretical).
Person B says "Yeah, Person A publicly defected". 
Person A says "No I didn't.  I'm still Catholic." 
Person C says, "What Person A said wasn't catholic but I don't think he meant to defect."
Catholic Knight says "We can all privately judge what Person A did."

Result - Protestant style, individualistic-minded chaos.
:confused:  The default position is this:


MAJOR - Canon law (i.e. Church Law) can only be administered/judged by Church authorities.
MINOR - Simple Priests and the Laity are not part of Church authority.
CONCLUSION - Simple Priests and the Laity cannot administer/judge using Canon Law.

You are the one that has to prove any catholic individual can judge heresy.  The default position is a big, fat "No, you cannot."  This applies to any court room, in any country, all across the globe.  If you are not a lawyer, or trained in law, or a judge, you cannot take part in the legal process.

The tacit resignation of office takes place automatically based upon the fact of public defection.  That is what the law states.  Anyone can judge it if the evidence is sufficient.  If you don't agree with this, then YOU are opposing the Magisterium of the Church in her Canon Law and making Canon 188.4 on this point futile.  The thing that is left to the competent authority is the ENFORCEMENT of this Canon and the effective removal of office.  However, anyone can refuse to acknowledge his office from the moment of public defection.