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Author Topic: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V  (Read 28950 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2023, 09:01:58 AM »

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And the canon teaches a public defection from the faith
1. Define 'public defection'.

2. How is this different from private defection?
3. What (legally) must a person do to publicly defect? 
4. How is a public defection proven?  What evidence is necessary?

You (or I) can't privately interpret the meaning of such an important topic.  This is up to Church authorities.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2023, 03:24:25 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 12, 2023, 12:41:59 PM
:jester:  Church authorities are the only ones who can decide 'public defection'.

Unless you're a canon lawyer, your opinion means nothing.

Sure, but your "judgment" is meaningless and is protestant-thinking.

Until the Magisterium/church officials decide on the matter, and apply canon 188.4 to a particular case/person, then i'm not opposing anything.  I can't oppose a judgement which hasn't taken place.  ??

You are "privately interpreting" canon law just like protestants "privately interpret" Scripture.  The Church decides and teaches, in both cases.

If Jorge Bergoglio publicly admitted that he is a heretic and none of the cardinals or bishops did anything about it, would you still consider him to be pope?
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2023, 03:25:58 PM »
Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on July 12, 2023, 06:11:26 PM
Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation

Thanks.  Perhaps Pax Vobis will see that this time.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2023, 03:27:11 PM »
Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on July 13, 2023, 01:50:00 AM
You're ridiculous. You are arguing a declaration is needed when it explicitly says it's not. And the canon teaches a public defection from the faith automatically removes one from office tacitly (silently).

Oops.  It looks like Pax Vobis missed it again.
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Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2023, 03:40:25 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 13, 2023, 04:15:03 AM
But sedes declare it all the time.

Yes indeed.

And since the sedes are "the Church," they seem to believe that they have the authority to declare it and as such they can force everyone else to accept it.
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