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Offline Meg

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2023, 12:23:06 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on July 12, 2023, 11:24:19 AM
However, anyone can refuse to acknowledge his office from the moment of public defection. 

Do you believe that we are all obligated to acknowledge the loss of office, and if we don't acknowledge this, do you consider us heretics?
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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2023, 12:29:18 PM »
When I meet a new traditional priest I say, "Fr., the New Mass is a mortal sin and there is absolutely no salvation outside the Church, what other questions do you have for me?"  Outside of this, there should not be any other questions.  I could see if some guy is handing out Natural Family Planning literature (birth control) at the local Trad chapel, then yes, the priest might kick him out, but for the most part all these other issues are a distraction.  

Even our Trad seminaries do not always focus on the foundational literature.  When I was at St. Thomas Aquinas ('94-97) we should have read The Great Sacrilege, which was the first serious critique of the New Mass.  I think the attitude- if I might critique the minds in control at the time, was probably- "Fr. Wathen is a Feeneyite, so therefore we cannot read his book The Great Sacrilege."  
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2023, 12:35:57 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on July 12, 2023, 11:24:19 AM
The tacit resignation of office takes place automatically based upon the fact of public defection.  That is what the law states.  Anyone can judge it if the evidence is sufficient.  If you don't agree with this, then YOU are opposing the Magisterium of the Church in her Canon Law and making Canon 188.4 on this point futile.  The thing that is left to the competent authority is the ENFORCEMENT of this Canon and the effective removal of office.  However, anyone can refuse to acknowledge his office from the moment of public defection. 

Firstly, what was the public defection?

Sounds to me like you're using private interpretation to construe facts to imply public defection, so as to argue a tacit resignation.

Pretty thin.

If I just concentrate on the bolded words (private interpretation, construe, imply, tacit), it all sounds like it is based upon a lot of flim-flam to reach the conclusion you desired.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2023, 12:41:59 PM »
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The tacit resignation of office takes place automatically based upon the fact of public defection.
:jester:  Church authorities are the only ones who can decide 'public defection'.


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That is what the law states. 
Unless you're a canon lawyer, your opinion means nothing.


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Anyone can judge it if the evidence is sufficient.
Sure, but your "judgment" is meaningless and is protestant-thinking.


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If you don't agree with this, then YOU are opposing the Magisterium of the Church in her Canon Law and making Canon 188.4 on this point futile
Until the Magisterium/church officials decide on the matter, and apply canon 188.4 to a particular case/person, then i'm not opposing anything.  I can't oppose a judgement which hasn't taken place.  ??

You are "privately interpreting" canon law just like protestants "privately interpret" Scripture.  The Church decides and teaches, in both cases.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2023, 12:42:21 PM »
Quote from: Seraphina on July 11, 2023, 09:38:14 PM
 For myself, I’ve never once heard him [Bishop Williamson] speak of modern Eucharistic miracles or actually promote the novus ordo. What he HAS said is that he hasn’t the authority to declare the novus ordo dogmatically invalid. 

Here is the video where Bishop Williamson defends the validity of the Novus Ordo Eucharist based on supposed Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracles:

https://youtu.be/casxXTtQFPs?t=5399

Listen at the precise timestamp provided in the link above. You will hear Williamson's defense of these Novus Ordo "Eucharistic miracles." 

He discusses the example of the "miracle" at Sokolka, Poland. But, you need to understand, the most famous Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracle was from Buenos Aires. Can you guess which Bishop approved the miracle of Buenos Aires? Yes, Bergoglio.

https://media.ascensionpress.com/2019/08/07/the-eucharistic-miracle-overseen-by-archbishop-bergoglio-pope-francis/

This tells me that the whole Novus Ordo Eucharistic Miracle thing is a planned deception. There is no way that Jorge Bergoglio actually believes in Eucharistic Miracles. Bergoglio is a deceiver. 
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