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Author Topic: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V  (Read 29081 times)

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2023, 10:17:21 PM »
Fr. Hewko is building a seminary, despite alienating any bishop who could ordain his malformed candidates.

The day will come when he will have the same epiphany that Fr. Pfeiffer had:

”It must mean God wants ME to be a bishop.”  Then the rest will follow.
My fear, exactly.  Right now, he’s calling it an Oratory, but wants it to become a seminary.  If he does go the route of Fr. Pfeiffer, it’ll be a shame because he was a good priest. I hope I wasn’t too harsh on him, so that’s why I’m going to pray a Rosary for him tonight.  Fr. Ruiz, I really don’t know.  I’ve never met him and I don’t understand enough Spanish to listen to his sermons online. 

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2023, 06:42:09 AM »
About not judging canonically it's another misconception. Canonically speaking all the usurpers of Vatican 2 have already been condemned according to Canon 188.4.....

You make a good point here in that Canon 188.4 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that a cleric that publicly defects from the Catholic Faith loses his office, by tacit resignation, by the very fact of his public defection.  Therefore, in this sense one can canonically judge that a putative pope is actually not pope.


Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2023, 06:55:26 AM »
“The very act of submission to the pretended authority of an openly heretical enemy (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) of the Catholic faith constitutes per se an objectively grave act not only of indiscreet obedience; but done in ignorance, constitutes an act of material schism as well. Thus, while the Recognize and Resist policy of Catholics towards the errant conciliar popes was morally justified from the time of the post-council up to the end of February 2013, when Pope Benedict went into what is increasingly seen to be a coerced retirement; it is no longer morally licit to adhere to it for so long as the heretical intruder (or another like him) remains in power, because it is morally wrong and schismatic to recognize and be subject to a manifestly formal heretic.”

Kramer, Paul. To deceive the elect: The catholic doctrine on the question of a heretical Pope . Kindle Edition.

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2023, 07:17:50 AM »
“The very act of submission to the pretended authority of an openly heretical enemy (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) of the Catholic faith constitutes per se an objectively grave act not only of indiscreet obedience; but done in ignorance, constitutes an act of material schism as well. Thus, while the Recognize and Resist policy of Catholics towards the errant conciliar popes was morally justified from the time of the post-council up to the end of February 2013, when Pope Benedict went into what is increasingly seen to be a coerced retirement; it is no longer morally licit to adhere to it for so long as the heretical intruder (or another like him) remains in power, because it is morally wrong and schismatic to recognize and be subject to a manifestly formal heretic.”

Kramer, Paul. To deceive the elect: The catholic doctrine on the question of a heretical Pope . Kindle Edition.
Where did you come up with this "doctrine?" It'd be pretty funny if it wasn't so wrong. Sounds as if it could be a doctrine of the "recent magisterium." :facepalm:

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2023, 08:42:06 AM »

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You make a good point here in that Canon 188.4 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that a cleric that publicly defects from the Catholic Faith loses his office, by tacit resignation, by the very fact of his public defection.  Therefore, in this sense one can canonically judge that a putative pope is actually not pope.
Firstly, those of the conciliar church would all say they haven't defected from the Faith; they are still catholic.  They would say they are modernizing the Church but that such is allowed.  So, there would have to be a case (similar to Martin Luther) to prove guilt. 


Secondly, in any just legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty.  You, however, are assuming guilt with no due process (even if there is some evidence).  This is not only uncatholic, but unjust and you're acting no better than the famous tyrants of history.  You've made yourself judge, jury and executioner.  :facepalm:

It reminds me of the famous scene in the St Thomas More movie, "A Man for All Seasons", where St Thomas' son-in-law is arguing about the legal process with St Thomas.


“William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”