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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2023, 03:28:47 PM »
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  • In the midst of the tragedy of the ever-increasing splintered Traditionalism movement, the ONE WHO WANTS TO SAVE HIS SOUL…finds it DISTRESSING that we are witnessing…the re-creation of…protestantism…”

    Sure, there was bickering and debate in the 70s and 80s between the various Trad clerics,…but they didn't…split off from everyone and force the laity to choose.    
    :facepalm:  Childish insanity.
    They have created a situation wherein the faithful find themselves shut out, cancelled, cut-off from the Mass and Sacraments.  

    Frs. A, B, and C used to work together serving the faithful.  Within five years, arguments arose over non-dogmatic (established by the Magisterium) issues, matters which no priest may justly impose on the consciences of the faithful, and sometimes, matters of personal conflict between themselves!  Each priest has a group of followers from among the faithful who take his side or are attached to him by convenience or default.  The groups soon become exclusive, like middle school girls’ cliques.  

    Just as among school children, a few of the faithful don’t fit.  They recognize that the glue holding the cliques together has gone rancid.  It still sticks, but it stinks.  The “issues” don’t concern them.  The misfits recognize the issues get in the way of their salvation.  

    The priests, having no superiors or fellow priests to keep them in balance, acquire one-track minds, seeing everything and everyone through the lense of his own interpretation.  (Protestant way of thinking)  He is usually unaware that he has gotten off track, as are his flock.  

    The misfits become hapless monkeys in the middle.  If they attend the Mass of Fr. A, Fr. B and Fr. C won’t have them.  If Fr. B, Frs. A and C, oppose them.  When Frs. A and B find out they’ve gone to Fr. C, they reject them.  In the end, the misfit discovers himself without a Mass to attend, unless, that is, he is willing to violate his principles, his conscience, and occasionally, to sin!  One or more of the priests will only take him back after he “confesses” to receiving sacraments from the other two!

     (I’m NOT saying Frs. Hewko or Ruiz do this. To my knowledge, they do NOT, lest anyone become the victim of slander or falsely accused of spiritual abuse.  Unfortunately, it is easy for errors to arise in insular groups and there are priests guilty of it.)

    As for the faithful, they turn into warring camps. The misfits must join one, get beat up by all of them, or go away. The priests, too, chase the misfit away. The animosity created is most uncharitable.  Ironically such behavior lends legitimacy to Traditionis Custodes, creating division. It is last of the six things God hates, “him that soweth discord among brethren.”  Proverbs 6:19

    How is this not spiritual bullying? 🤨 👊🏼 👊🏼  

    Cliques exert more peer pressure than homogenized groups where differing opinions are held. Cliques almost invariably give rise to pride, a haughty attitude towards others, like the Pharisees who, thinking themselves pleasing to God, ended up crucifying Him.  Yes, cliques do form in homogeneous groups, but the difference is that one needn’t join them.  There are plenty of people with whom to mix, where differing ideas may be discussed and even argued without being marginalized and rejected.  There is room to study, pray, and change one’s mind without worry about losing one’s spiritual director and fellow believers.  

    Which of these environments is more dangerous to Faith?  

    (Again, note, I’m not advocating attending the novus ordo, or honoring those whose sainthood is highly improbable, or believing in Eucharistic miracles just because someone said so, and certainly never yielding to sin.)  

    Phew! Time to get off my soapbox!  📦 💃🏼

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #31 on: July 11, 2023, 07:26:32 PM »
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  • Which of these environments is more dangerous to Faith? 

    (Again, note, I’m not advocating attending the novus ordo, or honoring those whose sainthood is highly improbable, or believing in Eucharistic miracles just because someone said so, and certainly never yielding to sin.) 

    What is really grave, is that Fr Hewko has given rise to a new sect: Hewkoites. These poor souls are literally being led out of the Church by Fr Hewko, cut off from all bishops and all other priests, because they do not subscribe to his new dogmas as outlined by Sean above, or more precisely, because these bishops and priests will not come out publicly and crucify Bishop Williamson for his opinions. There are truly poor souls in distant countries, some approaching the end of their earthly sojourn, who are now, on account of Fr Hewko, isolated from the Mass and sacraments and risk dying without any of the supports of Holy Mother Church. That is what is so grave. A humble apology and reconciliation would do far more for the glory of God and the salvation of souls that this pitiful attempt at self-justification.


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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #32 on: July 11, 2023, 08:32:34 PM »
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  • we have PLENTY OF PROOF.  We have rock solid theological proof.  It is simply not possible for the Papacy, which is guided by the Holy Spirit, to destroy the Church, to gut the Magisterium, to destroy faith and morals, and to promulgate a Mass that displeases God, undermines the faith, and damages souls.
    What is the nature of the Holy Ghost's guidance of the Papacy?  There are distinctions.

    The pope is infallibly prevented from making an error when pronouncing a dogma 'ex cathedra'.  In no other circuмstance is the pope infallible.  Neither in personal morals, nor in sermons, speeches and letters.

    Surely the Holy Ghost offers graces of state to the pope, but where is the doctrine that the pope cannot refuse these graces?

    If these recent popes were pronouncing their errors as dogma, then we would have our proof.  Note that they consistently refrain from doing this.  Only John Paul II spoke 'ex cathedra', once (and even that can be argued!), to pronounce that no woman could ever be a priest.

    We have no proof.  We must behave according to the presumption that they are valid popes.  Presumption!--not certainty.

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #33 on: July 11, 2023, 09:38:14 PM »
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  • What is really grave, is that Fr Hewko has given rise to a new sect: Hewkoites. These poor souls are literally being led out of the Church by Fr Hewko, cut off from all bishops and all other priests, because they do not subscribe to his new dogmas as outlined by Sean above, or more precisely, because these bishops and priests will not come out publicly and crucify Bishop Williamson for his opinions. There are truly poor souls in distant countries, some approaching the end of their earthly sojourn, who are now, on account of Fr Hewko, isolated from the Mass and sacraments and risk dying without any of the supports of Holy Mother Church. That is what is so grave. A humble apology and reconciliation would do far more for the glory of God and the salvation of souls that this pitiful attempt at self-justification.
    I’m afraid he is going the route of Fr. Joe Pfeiffer, he’s just not yet as far out on the tangent.  Notice Fr. Hewko never criticizes Fr. Pfeiffer in his sermons, but he regularly rails on +Bp. Williamson rehashing the same two faults, his admitted slip up back in what was it, 2015 or 2016 when he responded to an elderly woman, not traditional, who went to a conservative daily Mass because that was all that was available to her. She was not a modernist and being raised in the pre-V2 Church, she clearly had the Faith. The bishop has admitted he should have spoken to her privately, but he didn’t.  What was he going to tell her in public?  “Madam, you must stop immediately and confess all your sacrilegious confessions and communions since 1969 or you’re going to Hell. If you can’t get to a Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments, stay at home and read your missal.”  As for the complaints about +Bp. W. operating in secret, that’s just not true.  He has his Elieson Comments, every Sunday, his sermon is on YouTube along with interviews and conferences.  If YouTube cancels him, they’re on Bitchute or another platform. For myself, I’ve never once heard him speak of modern Eucharistic miracles or actually promote the novus ordo. What he HAS said is that he hasn’t the authority to declare the novus ordo dogmatically invalid. He has also said he does NOT recommend attending it, but acknowledges there are likely still older people who attend and still have the Faith, also, that some novus ordo priests are on their spiritual journeys, en route to becoming fully traditional.  So far as “failing to do his duty to establish a seminary just like Archbishop LeFebvre,” he has given it much prayer and thought, and God’s answer to him is “No.” Both Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko have repeatedly demanded he do so. Do they really think, having known him since their seminary days, that he is just being stubborn so he can have his own way, sitting on his duff and listening to classical music in Broadstairs?  That he hasn’t prayed or is suddenly defying Our Lord after all these years?  One other point, +Bp. W. is 83 years old. Compare his appearance five years ago to now and you will see he has noticeably aged. His hair has grown entirely white and gotten very thin, he is stooped, no longer stands erect, whatever condition he has that causes his hands to tremor has now appeared in his arms and a little in his neck. His voice has gotten weak and he speaks slowly and stumbles over words.  Sometimes he has to pause and search his mind for the right word or reference. Overall, he has slowed down.  Personally, I don’t think he’s physically up to starting a seminary.  Aging is largely governed by one’s genes.  It is not his fault that he is not as vigorous as Archbishop LeFebvre at 83. To demand he do certain things and publicly rail on him as if he were a notorious public sinner shows complete disrespect, both for his office and his person.  It scandalizes the ordinary faithful, or it ought to.  For those who don’t know +Bp. W, they must think of him as an ogre.  One last thing; I have noticed that his sermons in the last couple of years are focused on the love of Our Lord and confidence in Our Lady and the Rosary.  When he does criticize or call out another cleric by name, it is much more tempered with mercy than  condemnation. I take this as a sign of being perfected in love than of going soft or colluding with Rome.  He hasn’t had talks with the Vatican begged to return to the Society.  To his credit, I’ve never heard him once publicly criticize Fr. Hewko or Fr. Ruiz, not even Fr. Pfeiffer since 2014. I do not agree with Bp. W. on everything, but that’s alright.  He doesn’t bind the consciences of his parishioners in indefinite matters. I’m suspicious of Garabandal, I don’t find Poem of the Man God inspirational, and I’m not a fan of classical music. I don’t hate it, but a little goes a long way with me. There’s too much going on at once, and it clutters my brain like trying to listen to four conversations at once. I’ve read Dickens, of course, as a high school student. He’s depressing. Give me Shakespeare any day!
    +Bp. Zendejas?  Well, yes, you don’t hear from him. I have some ideas as to why, but they are just speculation, so I won’t divulge my thoughts.  It’s wrong to rail on him in public and state to the lay people at Mass what he ought to do. Fr. makes it sound as if he’s up to something nefarious. Maybe he is, but since it’s secret, there is no right to call him out in a public sermon. He CAN be found, by the way!  He says Mass at Matthew’s chapel. I’m not very computer proficient, but even I located his house and church on Google Earth, took a tour of his parking lot, yard, and porch!
    Let’s all offer a Hail Mary for Frs. Hewko and Ruiz that they stay focused on the Essentials of the Faith and not fall into the misfortune of Fr. Pfeiffer. Running ahead of God always results in mishap and frustration.

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #34 on: July 11, 2023, 09:51:38 PM »
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  • I’m afraid he is going the route of Fr. Joe Pfeiffer, he’s just not yet as far out on the tangent.  Notice Fr. Hewko never criticizes Fr. Pfeiffer in his sermons, but he regularly rails on +Bp. Williamson rehashing the same two faults, his admitted slip up back in what was it, 2015 or 2016 when he responded to an elderly woman, not traditional, who went to a conservative daily Mass because that was all that was available to her. She was not a modernist and being raised in the pre-V2 Church, she clearly had the Faith. The bishop has admitted he should have spoken to her privately, but he didn’t.  What was he going to tell her in public?  “Madam, you must stop immediately and confess all your sacrilegious confessions and communions since 1969 or you’re going to Hell. If you can’t get to a Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments, stay at home and read your missal.”  As for the complaints about +Bp. W. operating in secret, that’s just not true.  He has his Elieson Comments, every Sunday, his sermon is on YouTube along with interviews and conferences.  If YouTube cancels him, they’re on Bitchute or another platform. For myself, I’ve never once heard him speak of modern Eucharistic miracles or actually promote the novus ordo. What he HAS said is that he hasn’t the authority to declare the novus ordo dogmatically invalid. He has also said he does NOT recommend attending it, but acknowledges there are likely still older people who attend and still have the Faith, also, that some novus ordo priests are on their spiritual journeys, en route to becoming fully traditional.  So far as “failing to do his duty to establish a seminary just like Archbishop LeFebvre,” he has given it much prayer and thought, and God’s answer to him is “No.” Both Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko have repeatedly demanded he do so. Do they really think, having known him since their seminary days, that he is just being stubborn so he can have his own way, sitting on his duff and listening to classical music in Broadstairs?  That he hasn’t prayed or is suddenly defying Our Lord after all these years?  One other point, +Bp. W. is 83 years old. Compare his appearance five years ago to now and you will see he has noticeably aged. His hair has grown entirely white and gotten very thin, he is stooped, no longer stands erect, whatever condition he has that causes his hands to tremor has now appeared in his arms and a little in his neck. His voice has gotten weak and he speaks slowly and stumbles over words.  Sometimes he has to pause and search his mind for the right word or reference. Overall, he has slowed down.  Personally, I don’t think he’s physically up to starting a seminary.  Aging is largely governed by one’s genes.  It is not his fault that he is not as vigorous as Archbishop LeFebvre at 83. To demand he do certain things and publicly rail on him as if he were a notorious public sinner shows complete disrespect, both for his office and his person.  It scandalizes the ordinary faithful, or it ought to.  For those who don’t know +Bp. W, they must think of him as an ogre.  One last thing; I have noticed that his sermons in the last couple of years are focused on the love of Our Lord and confidence in Our Lady and the Rosary.  When he does criticize or call out another cleric by name, it is much more tempered with mercy than  condemnation. I take this as a sign of being perfected in love than of going soft or colluding with Rome.  He hasn’t had talks with the Vatican begged to return to the Society.  To his credit, I’ve never heard him once publicly criticize Fr. Hewko or Fr. Ruiz, not even Fr. Pfeiffer since 2014. I do not agree with Bp. W. on everything, but that’s alright.  He doesn’t bind the consciences of his parishioners in indefinite matters. I’m suspicious of Garabandal, I don’t find Poem of the Man God inspirational, and I’m not a fan of classical music. I don’t hate it, but a little goes a long way with me. There’s too much going on at once, and it clutters my brain like trying to listen to four conversations at once. I’ve read Dickens, of course, as a high school student. He’s depressing. Give me Shakespeare any day!
    +Bp. Zendejas?  Well, yes, you don’t hear from him. I have some ideas as to why, but they are just speculation, so I won’t divulge my thoughts.  It’s wrong to rail on him in public and state to the lay people at Mass what he ought to do. Fr. makes it sound as if he’s up to something nefarious. Maybe he is, but since it’s secret, there is no right to call him out in a public sermon. He CAN be found, by the way!  He says Mass at Matthew’s chapel. I’m not very computer proficient, but even I located his house and church on Google Earth, took a tour of his parking lot, yard, and porch!
    Let’s all offer a Hail Mary for Frs. Hewko and Ruiz that they stay focused on the Essentials of the Faith and not fall into the misfortune of Fr. Pfeiffer. Running ahead of God always results in mishap and frustration.

    Fr. Hewko is building a seminary, despite alienating any bishop who could ordain his malformed candidates.

    The day will come when he will have the same epiphany that Fr. Pfeiffer had:

    ”It must mean God wants ME to be a bishop.”  Then the rest will follow.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #35 on: July 11, 2023, 10:17:21 PM »
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  • Fr. Hewko is building a seminary, despite alienating any bishop who could ordain his malformed candidates.

    The day will come when he will have the same epiphany that Fr. Pfeiffer had:

    ”It must mean God wants ME to be a bishop.”  Then the rest will follow.
    My fear, exactly.  Right now, he’s calling it an Oratory, but wants it to become a seminary.  If he does go the route of Fr. Pfeiffer, it’ll be a shame because he was a good priest. I hope I wasn’t too harsh on him, so that’s why I’m going to pray a Rosary for him tonight.  Fr. Ruiz, I really don’t know.  I’ve never met him and I don’t understand enough Spanish to listen to his sermons online. 

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    « Reply #36 on: July 12, 2023, 06:42:09 AM »
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  • About not judging canonically it's another misconception. Canonically speaking all the usurpers of Vatican 2 have already been condemned according to Canon 188.4.....

    You make a good point here in that Canon 188.4 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that a cleric that publicly defects from the Catholic Faith loses his office, by tacit resignation, by the very fact of his public defection.  Therefore, in this sense one can canonically judge that a putative pope is actually not pope.

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    « Reply #37 on: July 12, 2023, 06:55:26 AM »
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  • “The very act of submission to the pretended authority of an openly heretical enemy (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) of the Catholic faith constitutes per se an objectively grave act not only of indiscreet obedience; but done in ignorance, constitutes an act of material schism as well. Thus, while the Recognize and Resist policy of Catholics towards the errant conciliar popes was morally justified from the time of the post-council up to the end of February 2013, when Pope Benedict went into what is increasingly seen to be a coerced retirement; it is no longer morally licit to adhere to it for so long as the heretical intruder (or another like him) remains in power, because it is morally wrong and schismatic to recognize and be subject to a manifestly formal heretic.”

    Kramer, Paul. To deceive the elect: The catholic doctrine on the question of a heretical Pope . Kindle Edition.


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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #38 on: July 12, 2023, 07:17:50 AM »
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  • “The very act of submission to the pretended authority of an openly heretical enemy (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) of the Catholic faith constitutes per se an objectively grave act not only of indiscreet obedience; but done in ignorance, constitutes an act of material schism as well. Thus, while the Recognize and Resist policy of Catholics towards the errant conciliar popes was morally justified from the time of the post-council up to the end of February 2013, when Pope Benedict went into what is increasingly seen to be a coerced retirement; it is no longer morally licit to adhere to it for so long as the heretical intruder (or another like him) remains in power, because it is morally wrong and schismatic to recognize and be subject to a manifestly formal heretic.”

    Kramer, Paul. To deceive the elect: The catholic doctrine on the question of a heretical Pope . Kindle Edition.
    Where did you come up with this "doctrine?" It'd be pretty funny if it wasn't so wrong. Sounds as if it could be a doctrine of the "recent magisterium." :facepalm:
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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #39 on: July 12, 2023, 08:42:06 AM »
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    You make a good point here in that Canon 188.4 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law states that a cleric that publicly defects from the Catholic Faith loses his office, by tacit resignation, by the very fact of his public defection.  Therefore, in this sense one can canonically judge that a putative pope is actually not pope.
    Firstly, those of the conciliar church would all say they haven't defected from the Faith; they are still catholic.  They would say they are modernizing the Church but that such is allowed.  So, there would have to be a case (similar to Martin Luther) to prove guilt. 


    Secondly, in any just legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty.  You, however, are assuming guilt with no due process (even if there is some evidence).  This is not only uncatholic, but unjust and you're acting no better than the famous tyrants of history.  You've made yourself judge, jury and executioner.  :facepalm:

    It reminds me of the famous scene in the St Thomas More movie, "A Man for All Seasons", where St Thomas' son-in-law is arguing about the legal process with St Thomas.


    “William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

    William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”



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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #40 on: July 12, 2023, 09:16:12 AM »
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  • Firstly, those of the conciliar church would all say they haven't defected from the Faith; they are still catholic.  They would say they are modernizing the Church but that such is allowed.  So, there would have to be a case (similar to Martin Luther) to prove guilt. 


    Secondly, in any just legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty.  You, however, are assuming guilt with no due process (even if there is some evidence).  This is not only uncatholic, but unjust and you're acting no better than the famous tyrants of history.  You've made yourself judge, jury and executioner.  :facepalm:

    It reminds me of the famous scene in the St Thomas More movie, "A Man for All Seasons", where St Thomas' son-in-law is arguing about the legal process with St Thomas.


    “William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

    William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

    Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

    The public sin of manifest formal heresy is a kind of public defection from the Catholic Faith.  Canon 188.4 speaks about the FACT of public defection and not the judgment of the Church for the loss of office to take place.

    Once again, this goes back to your claim that one cannot judge the sin of heresy, for which claim you have refused to provide evidence.


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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
    « Reply #41 on: July 12, 2023, 09:23:24 AM »
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  • Secondly, in any just legal system, one is innocent until proven guilty.  You, however, are assuming guilt with no due process (even if there is some evidence).  This is not only uncatholic, but unjust and you're acting no better than the famous tyrants of history.  You've made yourself judge, jury and executioner.  :facepalm:

    Yes, it's something that they refuse to address. It's a lynch-mob mentality, which they will strongly defend. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #42 on: July 12, 2023, 09:35:51 AM »
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  • Yes, it's something that they refuse to address. It's a lynch-mob mentality, which they will strongly defend.

    Canon 188.4 speaks about the FACT of public defection and not the judgment of the Church for the loss of office to take place.

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    « Reply #43 on: July 12, 2023, 09:37:07 AM »
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  • Canon 188.4 speaks about the FACT of public defection and not the judgment of the Church for the loss of office to take place.


    But we do not remove them, as you have done.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
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  • But we do not remove them, as you have done.

    Where did I write that I remove them from office?