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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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« Reply #160 on: August 18, 2023, 03:33:18 PM »
What Pope do you obey, then? If our duty is to God AND the Pope, then surely there is a Pope somewhere that you obey.

If there is no visible pope then there is no pope that I can give my obedience to. Now, can you provide me with the name of the pope you obey?

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« Reply #161 on: August 18, 2023, 03:35:21 PM »
What Pope do you obey? It is absolutely imperative that ALL Catholics submit to the Pope, correct? Why should you be off the hook?

So, do you submit to Bergoglio?


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« Reply #162 on: August 18, 2023, 03:37:55 PM »
If there is no visible pope then there is no pope that I can give my obedience to. Now, can you provide me with the name of the pope you obey?

Well that's convenient for you, isn't it? 

Since all Catholics must obey the Pope, then it's imperative that you elect one, so that you have someone to obey, since you go on so about us having to obey "our" pope.

I think it's required that you have "your" pope. You can elect anyone. How about someone at your chapel? Or maybe a family member? Then you can obey him in EVERYTHING but sin, just like you tell us that we have to do. Doesn't that sound fair?

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« Reply #163 on: August 18, 2023, 03:51:31 PM »

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Please! Do you really buy what you just wrote? How does that remotely support your contention that you don’t have “duties” to the pope? No real Catholic would nor could believe such a thing. I suggest you rethink this blatantly unorthodox position.
It depends how you define duties.  

Are catholics required to pilgrimage to rome and pay homage to the pope, like the muslims at mecca?  No.
Are we required to do anything to him on a personal level?  Send Christmas cards?  Have a photo of him in our house?  Know his middle name and family history?  No, no and no. 

I suppose the only "duty" I could come up with is to pray for the pope...but that's not really a duty, but part of the Faith.  It's part of many novenas, and the mass.

Could a catholic grow up in some poor country, and live his life only going to the dirt-floor church down the road, never leaving his tiny little village, without ever knowing the pope's title or anything about him?  Yes.

So, if such a person could save their soul, what "duty" did they fulfill?

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #164 on: August 18, 2023, 03:53:21 PM »
Well that's convenient for you, isn't it?

Since all Catholics must obey the Pope, then it's imperative that you elect one, so that you have someone to obey, since you go on so about us having to obey "our" pope.

I think it's required that you have "your" pope. You can elect anyone. How about someone at your chapel? Or maybe a family member? Then you can obey him in EVERYTHING but sin, just like you tell us that we have to do. Doesn't that sound fair?

Meg, read below the description of your Pope. And consider that last point about those that will be judged? Why will they be judged? Because they have "consented to iniquity." They will not need to actually commit the sin themselves. It will be enough for them to "consent" to the sin of "that wicked one." Do you think that by calling him "the Holy Father" you might be "consenting" to what he is doing?


 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,
Et tunc revelabitur ille iniquus, quem Dominus Jesus interficiet spiritu oris sui, et destruet illustratione adventus sui eum :

 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
cujus est adventus secundum operationem Satanae in omni virtute, et signis, et prodigiis mendacibus,
 10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
et in omni seductione iniquitatis iis qui pereunt : eo quod caritatem veritatis non receperunt ut salvi fierent. Ideo mittet illis Deus operationem erroris ut credant mendacio,
 11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
ut judicentur omnes qui non crediderunt veritati, sed consenserunt iniquitati.