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Author Topic: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V  (Read 28867 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2023, 08:02:59 AM »

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It is true that neither Fr. Hewko nor Fr. Ruiz has the authority to CANONICALLY judge popes.  However, each may make a private judgment based on the FACT of another's public manifest formal heresy.
This is circular logic because 'public, manifest heresy' are CANONICAL terms.  So you're saying they don't have the authority to (publicly) judge canonically but they can do so privately.  :confused:


No, that's not how catholicism works.  That's not how any legal system works.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2023, 08:22:19 AM »
We've beaten the SV vs. R&R debate like a dead horse.


What I find objectionable is to treat the SVs as if they were as much enemies of the faith as Jorge and the Modernists, or to treat Feeneyites as being heretics on a part with Jorge and Fernandez.  For some reason, they can't help themselves from calling out SVs every single time they criticize the Conciliar Church.  They are "Resistance" to the orientation of the neo-SSPX and their compromises with Modernism, so stay on topic ... and unlock the Shift key.

There's a bit of an arrogance in using the all caps there, making the docuмent look like some papal bull might be printed, as if they have THE answer, and that all other answers are wrong ... by their decree.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2023, 08:26:17 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2023, 08:02:59 AM
This is circular logic because 'public, manifest heresy' are CANONICAL terms.  So you're saying they don't have the authority to (publicly) judge canonically but they can do so privately.  :confused:


No, that's not how catholicism works.  That's not how any legal system works. 

You should know that I was not using "public manifest heresy" in a canonical sense.  We have been through this already in another thread in which you failed to provide evidence from magisterial teaching that an individual cannot judge the public sin of manifest formal heresy.  Also, you did not answer my question in which I asked you that if Jorge Bergoglio were to publicly admit that he knows he teaches heresy and that if the cardinals and bishops did nothing about it, would you still accept him as pope.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2023, 08:28:16 AM »
Quote from: bvmariae on July 10, 2023, 05:26:04 PM
6. MIRACLES ARE THE CREDENTIAL THAT GOD GIVES TO HIS CHURCH AS PROOF OF HIS DIVINITY. ‘THE NEW MASS CANNOT BE THE OBJECT OF DIVINE APPROVAL BY MEANS OF MIRACLES. IN THE CONCILIAR CHURCH TODAY THERE ARE SO MANY ABUSES AND ANOMALIES THAT THE TESTIMONY OF THE CONCILIAR CLERGY ON ALLEGED "MIRACLES" CAN DEFINITELY NOT BE TAKEN AS A GUARANTEE.

This appears to be a repudiation of Bishop Williamson's statements regarding the purported Novus Ordo "Eucharistic" "miracles".
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Joint Statement of SSPX-MC Priests: Fr. David Hewko & Fr. Hugo Ruiz V
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2023, 08:32:34 AM »
Quote from: bvmariae on July 10, 2023, 05:26:04 PM
7. THE PROCESS USED TODAY IN THE CANONIZATION OF THE NEW SAINTS HAS BEEN PROFOUNDLY MODIFIED BY THE NEW CHURCH, WHICH IS WHY THERE IS A DOUBT ABOUT ALL THE NEW CANONIZATIONS, BECAUSE OF A DEFECT OF FORM, ABOUT THEIR REGULARITY AND THEIR VALIDITY. THE CONCILIAR POPES, BEING MODERNISTS, NO LONGER INTEND TO DO ANYTHING ABSOLUTE AND DEFINITIVE, SINCE MODERNISM IS EVOLUTIONIST.

There's no "defect of form", since the solemn formula of canonization employed by the V2 papal claimants clearly intends to engage the infallible authority of the papacy.  Defect of Process has no bearing on the protection of canonizations.  That's like saying that we can reject the Dogma of the Assumption because we decided that Pius XII didn't research the question enough.  God's protection of the Church's Magisterium and of canonizations does not depend on human judgment or human diligence, but is there to prevent damage being done to the Church.  If some legitimate Pope failed in exerting the necessary due diligence and were on the verge of canonizing some individual who's currently in Hell, the Holy Spirit would prevent that action one way or the other.
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