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Author Topic: John Vennari's Thoughts on SSPX & Vatican's Attempted Subversion of Doctrine  (Read 2743 times)

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Offline Incredulous

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  • This was very interesting to me, and I told other Fatima promoters that I knew about this experience I had had, and they asked me if I thought that Fr. Gruner would approve of my technique, whereupon I told them that I had absolutely no qualms about it, and without even asking him I knew that he would welcome this story as "good news." Eventually, I had the privilege of meeting him and I told him about this experience I had had, and I was fascinated by his response. It was in the presence of several other West Coast close friends of his, whose names I could mention, but that would conflict with my described technique, now, wouldn't it? He smiled, looked around the table at the others, who were looking at him, and quietly muttered that that's okay, because it is the Fatima Message that is key, it is the thing that is important, that he was not looking for the personal spotlight or recognition, and whatever we could do to further the fame of Our Lady, is all that mattered -- whatever works, do it!


    Neil this is a good account of Father Gruner's outlook on Our Lady of Fatima.

    klasG4e supports the point I'm putting forth.  Such organizations as CFN and Fatima Center have enormous influence in the traditional Catholic movement.  We have a right to question the consistency of their Catholic storylines.

    1. John Venari didn't criticize the Jєωs, the SSPX or even mention the SSPX Resistance which had been up to 20% of their membership.

    2. Father Gruner didn't want to publicly discuss the "Two Sr. Lucy's", criticize the Jєωs or the SSPX.

    In addition, there was a lot of money involved... a lot.  
    On a relative scale, the Fatima Center was moving more money than Father Coughlin ever did.
    He had 12 million American Catholic followers in the 1930s.

    We know Fatima was the "theme", but there were inconsistencies.
    CFN delved into many newChurch and trad politics.  
    They played the role of leading Catholic thought, but were editorially controlled by Father Gruner.
    There were inconsistencies.

    So we ask who is running these big operations now?  
    What is the political and religious agenda?  

    It is our Catholic duty to get the answers.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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  • The following is information is provided by the Fatima Center: "The Fatima Center is a registered Trade Name of The National Committee for the National Pilgrim Virgin of Canada - Charitable Registration Number: 10808 9764 RR0001 Copyright ©2016 The National Committee for the National Pilgrim Virgin of Canada and of The Servants of Jesus and Mary Tax ID # 22-2396744 -."

    I imagine their charitable corporate status holds their feet to the fire in terms of not gravely offending the SOS tribe by questioning 9-11 or h0Ɩ0cαųstianity.  Aside from that, if they did question either of these sacred cows I think they might have to load up on fire insurance as I think their buildings including their huge warehouse and printing machines would go up in flames in very short order.  I think that's the bottom line sad reality of how so much of our Catholic Media feels boxed in.


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  • Certainly no right thinking and informed individual can deny the good that Fr. Gruner and Mr. Vennari did.

    At the same time -- and now that you mention "boogy-man" -- it is fair to wonder why the great boogy-men in so many back issues of the Fatima Crusader were Putin, Russia, and Islam while at the same time we never saw such strong attacks, if any whatsoever, (I certainly never saw any) of Netanyahu, Israel, and Judaism.  Why was this?  

    In reading the Fatima Crusader over the years one was given to believe that the U.S. government's devilishly lying version of 9-11 was true.  9-11 was a monumental historical event with unbelievably horrific consequences the likes of which we are witnessing even to this day and yet where did anyone ever see the Fatima Crusader even question the monstrously lying false narrative the U.S. government and MSM perpetrated on the world.

    For fear of the Jєωs or rather the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan?  The CFN refused to even accept any advertising for Hugh Akins' tremendously excellent Catholic book which was publicly praised and promoted by Bp. Williamson,  ѕуηαgσgυє Rising: A Catholic Worldview of Anti-Christian Judaism and Counterrevolutionary Resistance. (Same same for The Remnant.)
     
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    Have you ever heard the maxim, "You have to choose your battles?"
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    If they had decided to take on the burden/challenge of battling the Jєωs too, it would have increased their load of obstacles and opponents significantly. 
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    How much energy and time do you expect for two publications, and two men who were quite often warned that they were taking on too much as it was?
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  • Our Lord warned us about the Jєωs, even though He knew they'd crucify Him.



    How do you know "picking your battles" is not just an agenda for protecting your friends?

    It was Father Gruner's Duty of State to discuss the Two Sister Lucy's.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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  • .
    Have you ever heard the maxim, "You have to choose your battles?"
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    If they had decided to take on the burden/challenge of battling the Jєωs too, it would have increased their load of obstacles and opponents significantly.
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    How much energy and time do you expect for two publications, and two men who were quite often warned that they were taking on too much as it was?
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    Yes, of course, I have heard the maxim, "You have to choose your battles."

    My point, however, is this: it is one thing to choose to ignore the horrendously and frankly quite idiotic U.S. government false narrative of 9-11, a narrative which has been at the center of leading America into horrific, unjust, criminal, and bogus wars against terrorism in various sovereign nations which never posed any real threat to the national security of the U.S.

    It is quite another thing when you find through the various back issues of the Fatima Crusader an active endorsement of that false narrative.  The Fatima Crusader consistently chose their battle of feeding into the diabolical disorientation which so much of the world is mired in when it chose to actively promote the false narrative of 9-11.  Obviously, this was very ironic.  I think it was much more than ironic, however.  I find this continuous promotion of the false 9-11 narrative to be absolutely inexcusable.  As far as I know, the Fatima Crusader has never -- as in NEVER -- retracted a single word of their actively promoting the viciously false narrative of 9-11.  Go figure!


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  • Our Lord warned us about the Jєωs, even though He knew they'd crucify Him.



    How do you know "picking your battles" is not just an agenda for protecting your friends?

    It was Father Gruner's Duty of State to discuss the Two Sister Lucy's.
    Well said!

    As for the Two Sister Lucy's here is a bit of discussion, albeit inadequate, on same:

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  • Anybody?  Anybody at all: Why did the Fatima Crusader for long years on end -- to this day as far as I know --  push a totally bogus false version, albeit the U.S Government's "official" version, of 9-11 for so many long years and never to this day (correct me if I'm wrong) ever retract a single word of it?

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  • I just had a going-over of the May 2017 Catholic Family News again (Volume 24, Issue 5), to see if I could find any mention of these 7 things:
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    Guess what I found?
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    I guess everyone already knows? 
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  • Anybody?  Anybody at all: Why did the Fatima Crusader for long years on end -- to this day as far as I know --  push a totally bogus false version, albeit the U.S Government's "official" version, of 9-11 for so many long years and never to this day (correct me if I'm wrong) ever retract a single word of it?
    That does it. They're controlled by the Jєωs. Let's all write to the Fatima Center and ask why they don't just come out and admit it. Then we won't have to complain about it any more. We can all complain about something else, instead, like the corroboration between the psychiatrists in the USA with Big Pharma! Wait -- Why didn't the Fatima Crusader denounce that collusion that causes the unnecessary addiction of millions of Americans to psych drugs, not to mention brain damage?
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  • That does it. They're controlled by the Jєωs. Let's all write to the Fatima Center and ask why they don't just come out and admit it. Then we won't have to complain about it any more. We can all complain about something else, instead, like the corroboration between the psychiatrists in the USA with Big Pharma! Wait -- Why didn't the Fatima Crusader denounce that collusion that causes the unnecessary addiction of millions of Americans to psych drugs, not to mention brain damage?
    It's one thing to ignore and remain silent about a huge and monstrous lie (Osama bin Laden directing 19 -- mostly Arab -- individuals to attack the U.S. in the way portrayed by the U.S. Government), but to actively endorse that lie brings -- and should bring -- an incredible shame on the Fatima Crusader which so many have relied on over the years to tell them the truth.

    The Fatima Crusader has done so much harping over the years about the Vatican cover-up of the truth about Fatima and yet the Fatima Crusader has actively endorsed the cover-up of the truth about a horrific crime which resulted in the loss of not just about 3,000 Americans on 9-11, but has literally led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, far surpassing a million, in the invasions and subsequent actions in Iraq and Afghanistan alone.  Widows, orphans, horribly maimed individuals, trillions of dollars wasted, and the list goes on.

    If you were a traditional Catholic who supported the Fatima Crusader and who was immediately affected by the actions directly connected to 9-11 how would you feel about that publication, that Catholic apostolate, acting in the way it has concerning their years of active cover-up by spreading a huge false narrative about 9-11?

    Sure, go ahead and write to the Fatima Center if you wish, but I wouldn't hold my breath for any positive response.  I have tried to communicate with them for years and my experience has not been good at all; reminds me in many ways of trying to deal with the new branded SSPX.