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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo  (Read 33907 times)

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #370 on: October 24, 2020, 07:02:10 PM »

As someone who buys into Father Scott's argument that it is not licit to avail oneself of the Mass promulgated for the Church by someone who is at the same time recognized as a true pope, your lack of doubt in that regard doesn't surprise me. Your adoption of Father Scott's "not licit" argument is as manifest a condemnation of your "judgment" as the wearing of scarlet letter formerly was of moral turbitude turpitude.


Beneath all this pompous blather, one detects the following: "Cool people understand that the SSPX position, expressed by Father Peter Scott, is self-evidently wrong, and your accepting it demonstrates that you are a jerk, claudel." Unfortunately, you probably would have misspelled jerk, too.

For once in your life, do something useful and appropriate: namely, explain the basis on which you declare the position of the SSPX and Father Scott wrong and show precisely how the rationale that underlies the "valid but not licit" position offends Faith, reason, or both.

"Turbitude"? Really?

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #371 on: October 25, 2020, 01:58:07 PM »
It does not.
"If you don't accept me blatantly lying about the contents of a law, you reject the Faith!"

Are you actually mentally unwell?

Quo Primum does not refer to "substantial change", nor is there any dogma or tradition(I don't think you even know what this means, the way you use it) that it does. It bars any change to the Missal at all. Yet Pope St. Pius V himself and other popes later changed it. How could this be? Oh yes, because papal bulls cannot restrict the power of the pope itself, and that was never the intention of Quo Primum. New bulls can override, modify, abrogate old ones at the pope's leisure.

As per Quo Primum

"[...] whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure.

"[...] Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."

We only need to look at the counter church, today and for the past 51 years, to see this very wrath upon her.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm


Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #372 on: October 25, 2020, 02:00:07 PM »
As per Quo Primum

"[...] whereas, by this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever, We order and enjoin that nothing must be added to Our recently published Missal, nothing omitted from it, nor anything whatsoever be changed within it under the penalty of Our displeasure.

"[...] Therefore, no one whosoever is permitted to alter this notice of Our permission, statute, ordinance, command, precept, grant, indult, declaration, will, decree, and prohibition. Would anyone, however, presume to commit such an act, he should know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul."

We only need to look at the counter church, today and for the 51 years, to see this very wrath upon her.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
"nor anything whatsoever be changed"

not "nor anything whatsoever substantial be changed".

I don't know what you thought you achieved by reposting quotes I already gave. They still contradict your ridiculous position.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #373 on: October 25, 2020, 02:07:41 PM »
not "nor anything whatsoever substantial be changed".

So you don't believe in the Holy Trinity? The Name Holy Trinity is mentioned nowhere in the bible.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #374 on: October 25, 2020, 02:09:48 PM »
So you don't believe in the Holy Trinity? The Name Holy Trinity is mentioned nowhere in the bible.
I can show you it defined dogmatically, if you'd like. Can you show me where it says Quo Primum only prohibits substantial changes, besides your imagination?