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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo  (Read 33922 times)

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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #290 on: October 22, 2020, 11:50:33 PM »
You've never left me in doubt that rational explanation is wasted on you. Thanks for the reminder that sniggering is your default response to virtually everything.

As someone who buys into Father Scott's argument that it is not licit to avail oneself of the Mass promulgated for the Church by someone who is at the same time recognized as a true pope, your lack of doubt in that regard doesn't surprise me. Your adoption of Father Scott's "not licit" argument is as manifest a condemnation of your "judgment" as the wearing of scarlet letter formerly was of moral turbitude.

If you indeed read my posts, you will find I rarely, if ever, "snigger." I only do so when encountering an idiotic argument. So unfortunately your impression of me, based as it is on my replies to you, will be disproportionately freighted with sniggering.

Good night, Sir Rationality.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #291 on: October 23, 2020, 04:53:57 AM »
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"We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present docuмent cannot be revoked or modified....Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church...."

I believe this passage is why the Modernists chose to call Paul 6's missal the "new order".  They did not want it to be confused with a revision of the True Mass.  In my opinion, God would not allow this level of confusion/deceit, so the Modernists had to be content with the legal definition of "new".  They knew they could not abrogate/delete the True Mass; the only way to get rid of it is to create a false liturgy that people would "prefer" and so get rid of the True Mass indirectly.
It's like everything else NO Pax, they call the missal "New" when what they actually did was revise the Roman Missal, then passed that missal off as being "New", it's the same trick they use for most (not all) things NO - just like they call their religion "Catholic" when it is certainly not, and so on.

No, the law prohibits everything they did, which means that what they did was illegal right from the very first word they removed from the Roman Missal for the purpose of eliminating the True Mass.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #292 on: October 23, 2020, 05:03:11 AM »
Honestly I can relate to Mr. Salza.

The R&R position is like agnostocism in a way. It is a cop out and a weak response. It fails to commit someone to a solid position. Moreover it has serious issues in that in its more extreme forms, it makes the Roman Catholic Church into a Roman Protestant Cult.

Just look at the SSPX & the Resistance. They operate as if there were no Pope. In fact they operate exactly like the Eastern Orthodox. The previous Popes and councils serving for them what the Councils & Fathers do for the EO.

Either submit to Bergoglio like a real Catholic would do if he were the Pope or come out and say he isn't Pope.
Meanwhile you have the sede position which emphatically insists that the Church teaches popes cannot teach major error to the whole Church so are always infallibly safe to follow.

Either submit to the pope or come out as R&R like a real Catholic.  

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #293 on: October 23, 2020, 07:15:53 AM »
Did you read through the whole thread?  I posted an update.
I must of missed it when I posted my question. But then I found your update, however it was blank, I tried another computer and it was blank also. All I see is a large empty space.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #294 on: October 23, 2020, 07:29:25 AM »
I must of missed it when I posted my question. But then I found your update, however it was blank, I tried another computer and it was blank also. All I see is a large empty space.
It still shows for me.  Not sure why you can't see it.