Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo (Read 33897 times)

Yeti · « **Reply #55 on:** October 18, 2020, 05:40:20 PM »

Quote from: Your Friend Colin on October 18, 2020, 05:22:53 PM

And basically anything YOU don’t like.
But when someone asks how a false religion can come from the authority of Christ, you go berserk.
You’ve made plenty of your own “private judgments”, Sean.

Come on, take it easy, buddy. We're all friends here.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #56 on:** October 18, 2020, 06:14:17 PM »

S&S were the first geniuses to figure out what Bellarmine really meant, namely, that his position was identical to that of Cajetan, despite the fact that Bellarmine rejected Cajetan. Bellarmine was just confused.

Fr. Kramer destroyed the S&S interpretation of Bellarmine.

Of course, they wasted an inordinate amount of ink on this anyway, since these are all just opinions and do not bind consciences.

Fr. Chazal has the most reasonable response, simply that he sided with Cajetan and John of St. Thomas, and against Bellarmine, on this question. And he’s perfectly entitled to do so. No need to spend 200 pages re-interpreting and distorting Bellarmine. S&S basically conceded the position of many sedevacantists that Bellarmine’s is the only acceptable position by spending so much effort on it ... instead of taking the Fr. Chazal 2-paragraph approach.

Meg · « **Reply #57 on:** October 18, 2020, 06:44:03 PM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria on October 18, 2020, 02:42:29 PM

The sede vacantist position is based on the writings of Catholic theologians prior to V2. In particular the Doctor of the Church who is especially revered for his teaching on the Church's ecclesiology, St Robert Bellarmine. In fact, St Robert is so important to this controversy that some R&R apologists felt it necessary to flip the script and claim that St Robert actually supports the R&R position. But the vast majority of people who have studied the problem, conclude that St Robert supports the sede position. So there is no reason for sedes to feel any sense of pride. If literal geniuses such as Patrick Omlor, Hutton Gibson and John Daly (160 IQ) have concluded that the Holy See is vacant that certainly does give the sede position some weight that it would otherwise not have but it does not make the position superior. Only the truth of the matter can make it superior. If it is true then it certainly is superior to all other false positions.

The sede position is a novelty born of Vatican ll.

Meg · « **Reply #58 on:** October 18, 2020, 06:52:35 PM »

Quote from: Your Friend Colin on October 18, 2020, 02:13:26 PM

Meg, how does the SSPX or Resistance act or think any differently?

The Resistance does not believe itself to be the ONLY right and proper position to take. To many of us, the Resistance offers the most logical position. Sedevacantists (and sedeprivationists) do believe that their position is the ONLY Catholic position to take. No other position can ever be thought of as Catholic, in their (your) view, isn't that correct? Sedes and their fellow travellers remind me of the Puritans in the early days of our country. Absolutely no one can be allowed to diverge from the Sede position or they are doomed to Hell, isn't that right?

This has been obvious for a long time. Only insincere forum members would say otherwise.

TKGS · « **Reply #59 on:** October 18, 2020, 07:01:59 PM »

Quote from: Meg on October 18, 2020, 06:44:03 PM

The sede position is a novelty born of Vatican ll.

You've got that backwards. Vatican 2 is the novelty, the sede position of today is the application of tradition and doctrine.

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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo (Read 33897 times)

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