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Offline Mr G

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John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« on: October 16, 2020, 01:21:08 PM »
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  • https://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2020/10/breaking-news-john-salza-leaves-sspx.html

    Breaking News: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo church after "studying Sedevacantism." Who will publish Next 3 Vol. set???

    Breaking News: John Salza has left the SSPX and has returned to the Novus Ordo church. Our source, who has worked with him on True and False Pope, says that he came to this decision "after studying sedevacantism." 


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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2020, 01:26:23 PM »
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  • Mr. Salza, if you are lurking around, please feel free to confirm, deny or qualify. 


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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2020, 01:39:01 PM »
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  • Is he still a geocentrist?
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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #3 on: October 16, 2020, 01:50:32 PM »
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  • I know of multiple Trad families, all of whom have 12+ children, who were Trad-raised from the 70s, who have access to various priests (Independent, SSPX and Sede chapels)...but who have recently gone indult.  
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    I don't understand the confusion among these people, but the more stories you hear, this is not an isolated incident.  So many people are losing their minds (and maybe their souls).

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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2020, 02:26:37 PM »
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  • https://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2020/10/breaking-news-john-salza-leaves-sspx.html

    Breaking News: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo church
    The SSPX is now no different than any indult group that does the Latin Mass*, so, if Salza left the SSPX, is he going to the Novus Ordo mass or to an indult mass center.

    (* no different that is, for those that believe the new ordination rite and new formula for consecrating bishops makes priests and bishops out of laymen.)
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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2020, 02:35:17 PM »
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  • Well, R&R has a tendency to resolve itself one way or another.  We've seen this process for years.  It's a very tenuous place to be.

    If the Conciliar hierarchy is legitimate, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward submission to them, toward submission to the Vicar of Christ.

    If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.

    What has always distinguished Catholics from those outside the Church is the submission to the teaching authority of the Church.  That is THE uniquely Catholic sensibility.  So this recognition of their teaching authority and, at the same time, refusal to submit ... runs counter to the deepest Catholic instincts, and it tends to resolve itself one way or the other.


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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #6 on: October 16, 2020, 02:43:42 PM »
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  • There are three questions involved in a dialectic between the different positions regarding the Crisis.

    1) Has the Conciliar Church taught error?
    2) Do the V2 papal claimants exercise the teaching authority of the Church?
    3) Are Catholics nearly always required to submit to the teaching authority of the Church?

    Conservative Novus Ordites say no to #1 and yes to #2 and #3.

    Sedevacantists say yes to #1 and #3, but no to #2.

    R&R say yes to #1 and #2, but no to #3.

    Salza, in "studying sedevacantism" falsely elevated #2 to a DOGMATIC fact.  So for him, all that was left was to either say no to #1 or no to #3.  I guess that Salza concluded yes to #3 and therefore migrated to the NO position.

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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #7 on: October 16, 2020, 02:47:14 PM »
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  • For Traditional Catholics, this should serve to discredit Salza's magnum opus against sedevacantism.


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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #8 on: October 16, 2020, 03:02:41 PM »
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  • For Traditional Catholics, this should serve to discredit Salza's magnum opus against sedevacantism.
    Well, if Tertullien can still be a Church Father, Salza can still be a burning bush of anti-sedevacantism.

    I am curious if he went Novus Ordo or Eastern Rite or Anglican Ordinariate or indult. Although this just happened today so the process is not over yet. Who knows, next week he may be back at the SSPX chapel.
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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #9 on: October 16, 2020, 03:10:06 PM »
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    Well, R&R has a tendency to resolve itself one way or another.  We've seen this process for years.  It's a very tenuous place to be.

    If the Conciliar hierarchy is legitimate, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward submission to them, toward submission to the Vicar of Christ.

    If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.

    What has always distinguished Catholics from those outside the Church is the submission to the teaching authority of the Church.  That is THE uniquely Catholic sensibility.  So this recognition of their teaching authority and, at the same time, refusal to submit ... runs counter to the deepest Catholic instincts, and it tends to resolve itself one way or the other.

    I agree, that R&R is the hardest position to hold.

    In other news, it's 10X easier to watch a dumb TV show than read a classic work of literature.

    Nevertheless, R&R is the best position in my opinion, exemplified by the saintly life and Catholic attitude of +ABL.
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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #10 on: October 16, 2020, 03:29:30 PM »
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  • I agree, that R&R is the hardest position to hold.

    In other news, it's 10X easier to watch a dumb TV show than read a classic work of literature.

    Nevertheless, R&R is the best position in my opinion, exemplified by the saintly life and Catholic attitude of +ABL.

    Right, and you see that tension even with +ABL himself, where sometimes he slouched towards normalizing relations with the NO while at others he flirted with sedevacantism.  He slid back and forth on that continuum.  And then, within R&R, you have some who have a harder line and flirt with sedevacantism while others are soft and lean toward reunion ... which is the rift between the Resistance and the neo-SSPX right now.

    This Crisis has created a situation where none of the potential "answers" is pleasant.


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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #11 on: October 17, 2020, 04:10:31 AM »
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  • I just sent Mr. Salza a communication asking whether he could confirm the report and if it was true whether he could say why.

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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #12 on: October 17, 2020, 05:31:10 AM »
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  • If one CANNOT submit to them, then the Catholic sensibility draws one toward concluding that they are illegitimate.
    The pioneer Catholics who kept the faith in the 60s never concluded such a thing, because prior to V2, that was not the Catholic thing to do, Catholics back then never even considered such a thing. Deciding the pope to be illegitimate was authored by a priest, Fr. (now bishop) Sanborn, and that idea did not really surface till around the mid 70s, it really only started to grow in popularity in the mid 80s.

    But prior to that, Catholic sensibility during the infancy of the revolution was to keep and stay true to the only faith they ever knew, and that the happenings within the Church contrary to that faith were to be avoided. The Catholic sensibilities said that worrying about the pope's legitimacy would have only unnecessarily been, and still is, cause for greater confusion and division among those striving to keep the faith. How very right they were - and still are.

    But understand if you can that Catholic sensibility does not now, nor has it ever drawn any priest or lay person toward concluding that they are illegitimate, rather, I would say like the pioneering Catholics, that venturing into that arena is due to a lack of Catholic sensibility. It may be some other sensibility, but it's not Catholic sensibility.          
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #13 on: October 17, 2020, 05:40:48 AM »
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  • The pioneer Catholics who kept the faith in the 60s never concluded such a thing, because prior to V2, that was not the Catholic thing to do, Catholics back then never even considered such a thing. Deciding the pope to be illegitimate was authored by a priest, Fr. (now bishop) Sanborn, and that idea did not really surface till around the mid 70s, it really only started to grow in popularity in the mid 80s.

    But prior to that, Catholic sensibility during the infancy of the revolution was to keep and stay true to the only faith they ever knew, and that the happenings within the Church contrary to that faith were to be avoided. The Catholic sensibilities said that worrying about the pope's legitimacy would have only unnecessarily been, and still is, cause for greater confusion and division among those striving to keep the faith. How very right they were - and still are.

    But understand if you can that Catholic sensibility does not now, nor has it ever drawn any priest or lay person toward concluding that they are illegitimate, rather, I would say like the pioneering Catholics, that venturing into that arena is due to a lack of Catholic sensibility. It may be some other sensibility, but it's not Catholic sensibility.          
    Very nicely put, Stubborn.

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    Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
    « Reply #14 on: October 17, 2020, 06:59:45 AM »
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  • I just sent Mr. Salza a communication asking whether he could confirm the report and if it was true whether he could say why.
    A few people have tweeted his account at "trueorfalsepope" and so far he appears to be ignoring them. 
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)