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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo  (Read 33912 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2020, 11:20:37 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 18, 2020, 08:47:54 PM
Every time I post this, sedes never seem to respond.

I wonder why that is?

Nobody’s even reading that crap.  You spam a 25-page article into a forum thread and demand a point-by-point rebuttal.  Not sure what you’re smoking.  This is the same tactic that other intellectually bankrupt poster Lover of Truth tried to use.  It smells of desperation coming from schismatic/heretics such as yourself, Stubborn, and Meg.

Your position regarding the nature of the Church is heretical.  I’m not going to mince any words here.  You three are, objectively speaking, heretics.  Hopefully God has mercy on you due to the Crisis in the Church ... but you are well on the way to losing the faith.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2020, 11:29:44 PM »
Quote from: Your Friend Colin on October 18, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
Terrible analogy.
Sean, as I said, in practice, R&R’s do the EXACT same things sedes do. For some reason you have decided to draw the line at the question of the Pope as going too far (why?).
R&Rs think it is acceptable to denounce their church’s
1) ecuмenical councils
2) universal liturgy
3) Sacraments
4) theology
5) canonizations
6) canon law
And basically anything YOU don’t like.
But when someone asks how a false religion can come from the authority of Christ, you go berserk.
You’ve made plenty of your own “private judgments”, Sean.

Yes, it’s time to call them out for what they are ... heretics.  I’ve called Stubborn out before, but Sean must be added to this list.  Now, with Meg it’s harder to say since she’s never posted anything resembling a rational thought on the subject ... or any subject really.  Oh, I forgot about Pax.  He’s a heretic also.

Look, nobody says you have to be sedevacantists.  But you must at least embrace a Catholic articulation of the Crisis such as can be found with Fr. Chazal.  Since you are Resistance supporters, why don’t you get behind him and abandon your heresies?
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2020, 11:44:54 PM »
Wow, this thread has gone bananas.
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I would only make the observation of the hypocrisy of many sedes, (but such hypocrisy also exists in the R&R camp too) who, seeing the problems of their theory, have rightly explored many variants in order to solve such problems, with each variant having a different name (sede-privationist, ecclesiatia-vacant, etc).
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Meanwhile, they view R&R as being 1, large, generic view, and offer it none of the same variant possibilities or equal ability to evolve.  
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The fact is, sede-privationism is just a form of R&R.  But people don’t want to agree on similarities but allow themselves to disagree over trivialities due to emotion and pride.  Sad.  If more Catholics would seek the truth instead of defending a clan, we'd have more peace amongst us.  But human nature is what it is, so I won’t hold my breath. 
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Offline AJNC

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2020, 02:51:40 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 16, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
I know of multiple Trad families, all of whom have 12+ children, who were Trad-raised from the 70s, who have access to various priests (Independent, SSPX and Sede chapels)...but who have recently gone indult.  
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I don't understand the confusion among these people, but the more stories you hear, this is not an isolated incident.  So many people are losing their minds (and maybe their souls).
Maybe it's because of the priests? Church Militant has a section devoted to them. Or it could be that they want out of cultish/quarrelsome groups and can satisfy their Traditional inclinations within the existential Church? Or. Could they be Biden supporters?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2020, 04:32:07 AM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 18, 2020, 04:45:07 PM
For the life of me, I do not understand how any practicing Catholic can ask men to blind themselves to manifest facts.

There is NOTHING in Catholicism that binds us to accepting the satanic insanity that "A" and " not A" are the same.

In fact, the quintessential characteristic of modern[ist] man is to hold both "A" and "not A" as true.

God gave us eyes, ears, brains, and the graces and gifts to use them, NOT eschew them, in His service now and forever.
The point is, while certainly true that, as you say, "God gave us eyes, ears, brains, and the graces and gifts to use them, NOT eschew them, in His service now and forever" - this is how we know the conciliar popes have all been modernist heretics, yet He did not give us those gifts to use to decide the pope's status, as the pope's subjects, we do not have that right or obligation.   
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