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Author Topic: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo  (Read 33991 times)

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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #295 on: October 23, 2020, 07:34:21 AM »
I must of missed it when I posted my question. But then I found your update, however it was blank, I tried another computer and it was blank also. All I see is a large empty space.
That is odd.  I just checked the entire topic and all of her posts appear.  You might want to check the settings on your computer and see if it is set to "Democratic Mode" where it filters out all truth.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #296 on: October 23, 2020, 07:42:01 AM »
That is odd.  I just checked the entire topic and all of her posts appear.  You might want to check the settings on your computer and see if it is set to "Democratic Mode" where it filters out all truth.
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Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #297 on: October 23, 2020, 07:54:38 AM »
That is odd.  I just checked the entire topic and all of her posts appear.  You might want to check the settings on your computer and see if it is set to "Democratic Mode" where it filters out all truth.
All I see is what she wrote: "So this was John Salza's "answer": "

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #298 on: October 23, 2020, 08:03:30 AM »
A legal act does not mean it's valid or moral.  Legality is of the human sphere of the Church; validity and morality of the Divine.
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No, I said the missal could lawfully exist, but it could not lawfully be used (i.e. the mass could not lawfully be said).
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No, doesn't follow.  A legal act is not necessarily moral.
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Yes, multiple bishops claimed the True Mass was illegal, but +Benedict (after 40 years) cleared up the issue.  The original claim by the evil bishops was wrong.
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A legal, human act of the Church does not make it automatically valid/heretical.  Are you insane?!  So if a pope changes canon law to say that: mass can be legally celebrated after 9pm (which is currently illicit), that means that ALL masses celebrated after 9pm are automatically valid and moral?  That makes no sense.
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Just because a mass is legal (i.e. circuмstances...after 9pm), does not mean they are automatically valid or moral.
Yes it does. Trent guarantees that: that no Mass of the Church can be blasphemous, heretical or invalid.

The Mass can still be illicit to say if the law provides for that, but Trent infallibly confirms that the Masses of the Church are valid.

Re: John Salza leaves SSPX and returns to Novus Ordo
« Reply #299 on: October 23, 2020, 08:06:54 AM »
I believe this passage is why the Modernists chose to call Paul 6's missal the "new order".  They did not want it to be confused with a revision of the True Mass.  In my opinion, God would not allow this level of confusion/deceit, so the Modernists had to be content with the legal definition of "new".  They knew they could not abrogate/delete the True Mass; the only way to get rid of it is to create a false liturgy that people would "prefer" and so get rid of the True Mass indirectly.

It's like everything else NO Pax, they call the missal "New" when what they actually did was revise the Roman Missal, then passed that missal off as being "New", it's the same trick they use for most (not all) things NO - just like they call their religion "Catholic" when it is certainly not, and so on.

No, the law prohibits everything they did, which means that what they did was illegal right from the very first word they removed from the Roman Missal for the purpose of eliminating the True Mass.
Missale Romanum was legally on the same level as Quo Primum, so no Quo Primum could not have prohibited Missale Romanum from doing anything. Where laws of equal standing contradict, the newer overrides the older. 

If the NO Mass was a revision of the Tridentine Mass as you claim, then it was perfectly lawful to do so.