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Thank goodness the truth is starting to leak out, despite Bishop Fellay's attempts to suppress it!


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Lefebvrians: Internal dissent against agreement with Rome



The English Superior of the Society of Saint Pius X, has written to Catholics to inform them on the outcome of the meeting with other clerics to decide on the Vatican’s proposal
Andrea Tornielli
vatican city


Still no news from the Society of Saint Pius X, which was called to give a response to and sign the “doctrinal preamble” sent by the Ecclesia Dei commission last 14 September, asking the Lefebvrians to profess the faith, as is required by anyone who assumes an ecclesiastical role.



But something is beginning to trickle through in relation to the meeting of the Society’s Superiors, which was held on 7 and 8 October in Albano Laziale. The Superior of the Lefebvrians in the United Kingdom, Father Paul Morgan, discussed this in a letter published in November’s bulletin, sent out to the faithful yesterday.



Fr. Morgan recounted that during the meeting in Albano, a summary of the contact between the Society and Holy See authorities from 1987 up until today, was presented, along with a summary of the doctrinal talks that took place in recent months. “An oral presentation of the doctrinal preamble was also given.” Morgan said that Mgr. Bernard Fellay, the Society of Saint Pius X’s Superior, did not deliver the written text he had received from the Vatican, but only presented it, evidently to avoid news leaks.



The UK’s Lefebvrian leader went on to say: “In as far as the doctrinal discussions are concerned, it is regrettable that Rome’s commission failed to recognise the rift that exists between traditional and conciliar teachings. Insisting instead on the hermeneutics of continuity... and claiming that new teachings include and develop older ones.”



What really came as a surprise, was Fr. Morgan’s surprise: the hermeneutics of continuity with regards to reform, that is, the Second Vatican Council’s entry into the history of councils and its reading in the light of a former tradition, even in its developments and updates, represent the key suggested by Benedict XVI. It is also difficult to imagine that its closest collaborators in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Card. William Levada, Mgr. William Levada and Mgr. Guido Pozzo, who are engaged in dialogue with Saint Pius X, would have proposed a different one.



The letter sent by the English Superior, read: “It was interesting to learn that the 14th September meeting (the one which took place in the Vatican, when the Preamble was delivered - Ed.) had not touched upon the doctrinal talks at all, but rather was dedicated to expounding possible practical solutions for the Society.”



“So it was perhaps not surprising to learn – Morgan wrote - that the proposed doctrinal basis for any canonical agreement in fact contained all those elements

which the Society has consistently rejected, including acceptance of

the New Mass and of Vatican II as expressed in the New Catechism.

Indeed, the docuмent itself conveys the impression that there is no crisis in the Church...”



A negative opinion, therefore, emerged in relation to the text that resulted from the talks with Vatican authorities. The Society’s Superior in the UK, added that some participants found the Doctrinal Preamble “clearly unacceptable and that the time has certainly not come to pursue any practical agreement as long as the doctrinal issues remain outstanding. It also agreed that the Society should continue its work of insisting upon the doctrinal questions in any contacts with the Roman authorities.” An outright rejection of the Preamble then.



A brief communiqué, sent this afternoon by the Generalate of the Society of Saint Pius X in Rome, seemed to promptly respond to Fr. Morgan’s bulletin. It recalled that after the meeting between Superiors held on 7 October in Albano, various comments appeared in the press. But it also reminded that “only the Generalate was authorised to send an official communiqué or an authorised comment on the matter.” In other words, Fr. Morgan was only speaking in a personal capacity.



There is no doubt, however, that these comments indicate the difficulties and disputes which Mgr. Fellay is currently undergoing. According to some rumours, the other two Lefebvrian bishops present in Albano, Tissier de Mallerais and Alfonso de Gallareta, also expressed the dissent towards the Doctrinal Preamble and towards the agreement proposed by the Holy See. The fourth bishop, Richard Williamson, who has taken an even greater opposing stance towards the text, was not present at the meeting.

This is very strange.

No it isn't.  It's a typical Fellay-type manuever.

   This interesting post appeared over at a certain semi-trad site:


Bishop Fellah has given an interview to an Italian news reporter in response to the information provided by Fr. Paul Morgan. The news report is available on Vatican Insider but is only available in French and Spanish.

I am posting, below my comments, my English translation from the Spanish version posted on Vatican Insider. The link to the Spanish post is:
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/es/homepage/vaticano/dettagliospain/articolo/9620/

In this article, for the first time as far as I have seen, Bishop Fellay is claiming that the SSPX "requests a direct revision of the Conciliar texts" and yet according to Fr. Morgan, there is nothing in the "Doctrinal Preamble" that address the need for necessary revisions in the Vatican II texts and that it "does not recognize the split between the teachings of tradition and the Second Vatican Council." I am not aware that Bishop Fellay has ever, like Archbishop Lefebvre did, insisted that elements of the Vatican II texts are "contrary to the Magisterium of the Church," that a “wholesale revision of the text” and “noteworthy revisions of docuмents” were necessary. If he is now saying that revisions are necessary, why would he want a reconciliation with modernist Rome before necessary questions of the Faith are resolved?

Fr. Morgan also said, that "all the elements which the society has always rejected" are present in the "Doctrinal Preamble" and that at the meeting at Albano, "those present were in agreement that the doctrinal preamble was clearly unacceptable and the time of reaching any kind of practical agreement where doctrinal issues have not yet been resolved has not come."

If Bishop Fellay is not calling Fr. Morgan a liar, it is something very close to it. His claim that without a doctrinal resolution he can "lead back home a group of 200 seminarians and 450 priests" and that, "In the worst case, only a small part of the Lefebvrists would not accept the proposal of Rome," indicates that he intends to accept, regardless of internal opposition, the "Doctrinal Preamble" and whatever structural accommodation Rome offers which includes accepting the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo and the "Reform of the Reform," and the paradigm of the "hermeneutic of continuity." He apparently believes any doctrinal problems are a simple question of cosmetics.

Fr. Alains Lorans, a “spokesman for the SSPX” who knows the content of the "Doctrinal Preamble", said in a recent interview for a SSPX publication in the “Pastor’s Corner”, that “Rome knows exactly our positions, and it is with this clear knowledge that Cardinal Levada presented this doctrinal preamble to Bishop Fellay.” Fr. Lorans also said, “An agreement with Rome would solve the canonical situation of the Society of St. Pius X. But this is not as important as to give back to Tradition—often scorned, or persecuted for the last forty years—its right of existence within the Church. This process already began with the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм which declared that the traditional Mass had never been abrogated. If, after the thorough reading which Rome wants him to have, Bishop Fellay may give his agreement, the Society will certainly be favorable to it.”

This is nothing more than an offer to be a conservative voice in a pluralistic Church. To “give back to Tradition its right to exist within the Church” sounds like a campaign slogan. It is now and has always been a matter of defending the Faith without which it is “impossible to please God.”

There is no indication that Bishop Fellay understands the implications of "1989 Profession of Faith" with its novel article requiring "submission of the mind and will" to the "authentic magisterium."

Br. Joseph



On the Road to Rome
Towards a reconciliation between Lefebvrists and the Vatican?
GIACOMO GALEAZZI
THE VATICAN CITY

The Lefebvrists have not rejected the offer of the Vatican, was the word of Bernard Fellay. The superior of the fraternityFellahint Pius X has intervened to stop the leaking of news about a possible break with the Vatican in the negotiations for the return of the schismatic group of ultra traditionalists to the Church. "We have not rejected the text which was presented to us by the Holy See," said Fellay.

If the peace process becFellahreality, the superior of the fraternity of Saint Pius X, says that he would lead back home a group of 200 seminarians and 450 priests. And in a period of scarcity of vocations, that would not be a small thing. After the meeting of the superiors of the Lefebvrists which took place in Albano at the beginning of October there, "has come to light various comments related to the response Bishop Bernard Fellay would give to the proposals subFellah by Rome on September 14, 2011", when the successor of Archbishop Lefebvre met with the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican. To this day, nothing indicates that the Catholic ultra traditionalists will not re-enter the fold of Rome.

In the worst case, only a small part of the Lefebvrists would not accept the proposal of Rome, and only a minority party would remain outside of the return. The step that set in motion the process was the Motu Proprio "Summorum Pontificuм" in which Benedict XVI demonstrated his willingness not to betray the past, especially in the liturgical field. Because the liturgy is the Church, and the way in which we pray reflects that which we believe. Bernard Fellay since 1994, is (and will remainFellahtil 2018) superior general of the society of St. Pius X. He was consecrated Bishop by Lefebvre in 1988 and was promoted in a few years to the summit of the fraternity. He saw Lefebvre die after being unconscious for a week in a coma. Fellay leads the ranks of the more modFellahthinking Lefebvrists. He is the opposite of Bishop Richard Williamson, which on the other hand, represents the most uncompromising part of the fraternity, in a word, "never again" a compromise with Rome. "Remember – the note that was disseminated today continues saying - that only the general House of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X is allowed to publish an official statement or an approved comment on this subject".

After the meeting in Albano the Lefebvrists reported that the heads would study the "doctrinal preamble" submitted by the Holy See "to submit, within a reasonable time period, a response to the Roman proposals". The content of the "preamble" is reserved. The German, Fr. Nicholas Pfluger, first assistant to Fellay, stated in a recent interview, thFellahe proposed text allows corrections on our part".

During these days, in addition, the superior of the British district of the Lefebvrists, Fr. Paul Morgan, has revealed in a news letter to his faithful some details of the meeting in the Roman Curia, where he said that Rome "does not recognize the split between the teachings of tradition and the Second Vatican Council", and the proposals of the Vatican contain "all the elements which the society has always rejected". With regard to the meeting at Albano, "those present were in agreement that the doctrinal preamble was clearly unacceptable and the time of reaching any kind of practical agreement where doctrinal issues have not yet been resolved has not come". A leak of news that the superior Fellay has remedied with today’s releaseFellah
If the liturgy is the central nucleus of the dissent of the Lefebvrists with Rome, the differences seem to have a greater force than the Motu Proprio "Summorum Pontificuм" can resolve on its own. The Lefebvrists request a direct revision of the Conciliar texts and not only denouncing its incorrect hermeneutics, starting with the declaration "Dignitatis Humanae" dedicated to religious freedom. In it, in the view of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, the Church is placed in a state of subjection in respect to civil authority which then has to guarantee the right of freedom of expression. For the Lefebvrists, on the other hand, it would have to be the opposite: the State is subject to the Catholic faith and it should recognize it as the State religion.