Author Topic: Italy: Meeting of Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X (Read 35823 times)

hollingsworth · « **Reply #20 on:** October 02, 2011, 11:05:49 AM »

Ethelred:

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After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the old father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense five minute speech. With his specious arguments he completely swept away in five minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.

Ethelred, I put "specious" in bold type. Did you mean that Fr. Mae(b)en's arguments were specious? I tend to think you didn't. Please clarify. Thanks.

Ethelred · « **Reply #21 on:** October 02, 2011, 01:57:47 PM »

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Ethelred:
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After Fr Pfluger's Newrome speech, the old father Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense five minute speech. With his specious arguments he completely swept away in five minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.

Ethelred, I put "specious" in bold type. Did you mean that Fr. Mae(b)en's arguments were specious? I tend to think you didn't. Please clarify. Thanks.

Dear Hollingsworth, thank you for your point! That word was indeed a complete mistake by me. I meant the exact opposite! I'm very sorry.

So, in order to correct it:

After Fr Pfluger's "we want a contract with Newrome" speech, the elder former German district superior Fr Franz-Josef Maeßen stood up and gave a short but intense 3-4 minute speech.

With his impressive arguments ("bestechende Argumente" in German) Fr Maeßen completely swept away in a few minutes what Fr Pfluger said in two hours.

After Fr Maeßen's counterattack, Fr Pfluger was not only silent but pale. He was unable to reply anything.

As I wrote in the other related thread, please dear German-speaking Cathinfo users: If you happen to know other SSPX priests in the German district, please ask them about the German SSPX priest meeting which took place last Monday/Tuesday and then please confirm or correct what I wrote. Thank you!

Good bless all SSPX clerics who're still loyal to Archbishop Lefebvre!

romanitaspress · « **Reply #22 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:00:14 PM »

You can hear the substance of Fr. Rostand's conference here: http://sspx.org/district_news/update_on_sspx_rome_fr_rostand_conference_9-30-2011.htm. He gave this in KCMO before the others.

Also, the contents of the Doctrinal Preamble are not the laity's business - not at this juncture in any case. Too many of us often forget that the SSPX is a *religious congregation* that has a right to its privacy regarding its private affairs just like any other religious order of the Catholic Church.

One other thing, if people are not satisfied with what has just been said above (and thus the basis for Fr. Rostand's comments, which were not cavalier, but said in his typical French candor style), then WHAT THEY LACK IS TRUST AND HOPE which is completely unfounded considering the SSPX has never departed from the same path as set by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

We can (and should) pray for the superiors of the SSPX, that as they have done in the past, they will listen to the Holy Ghost in making whatever decision must be made - and not follow the desire of certain pro-sedevcantist types who can offer no solution at all to the problem of the crisis in the Church.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #23 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:12:54 PM »

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Also, the contents of the Doctrinal Preamble are not the laity's business - not at this juncture in any case. Too many of us often forget that the SSPX is a *religious congregation* that has a right to its privacy regarding its private affairs just like any other religious order of the Catholic Church.

Let me get this straight - "the right to privacy" regarding the doctrines that Catholics must believe? That their followers will have to accept? "Right to privacy" - sounds like something from the pro-choice camp really. Differing views on religious liberty are a "choice."

The SSPX has no legitimate ministry in the Church according to Benedict XVI. They deny that, saying that they are standing for the Faith. Yet they won't talk about what they're negotiating, so that they can spring this thing pertaining to Faithful as a fait accompli. Putrid arrogance.

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One other thing, if people are not satisfied with what has just been said above (and thus the basis for Fr. Rostand's comments, which were not cavalier, but said in his typical French candor style), then WHAT THEY LACK IS TRUST AND HOPE which is completely unfounded considering the SSPX has never departed from the same path as set by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

That must be why they suppressed the publication of his sermons. Bishop "elder brothers" Fellay has certainly said and done many things we can be certain Archbishop Lefebvre would never have done.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #24 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:25:35 PM »

Augustine Baker:

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You seem to forget how presumptuous, entitled and rash the laity who attend these chapels can be.

On expects ignorant remarks like this to be made of by the irresponsible members of the major media- but by a traditional Catholic? Augustine, let me inform you, without fear of contradiction in all likelihood, that you know nothing about the alleged rashness of the SSPX laity and its alleged sense of entitlement. You have pure opinion and speculation to guide you in that assessment. I dare say that even within the confines of your own chapel you have no concrete basis upon which to make such a statement.