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cathman7 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2017, 10:40:24 PM »

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It is frightening to me how often I have heard SSPX priests and the upper-echelon leadership utter the words "for the common good" recently.

There is nothing Catholic about that phrase, although it does sound a LOT like communism to me.

The idea of the common good is deeply rooted in the Church's social teachings.

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[8] If, then, it is natural for man to live in the society of many, it is necessary that there exist among men some means by which the group may be governed. For where there are many men together and each one is looking after his own interest, the multitude would be broken up and scattered unless there were also an agency to take care of what appertains to the commonweal. In like manner, the body of a man or any other animal would disintegrate unless there were a general ruling force within the body which watches over the common good of all members. With this in mind, Solomon says [Eccl. 4:9]: “Where there is no governor, the people shall fall.”

http://dhspriory.org/thomas/DeRegno.htm

mw2016 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2017, 10:46:24 PM »

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Quote from: mw2016
It is frightening to me how often I have heard SSPX priests and the upper-echelon leadership utter the words "for the common good" recently.

There is nothing Catholic about that phrase, although it does sound a LOT like communism to me.

The idea of the common good is deeply rooted in the Church's social teachings.
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[8] If, then, it is natural for man to live in the society of many, it is necessary that there exist among men some means by which the group may be governed. For where there are many men together and each one is looking after his own interest, the multitude would be broken up and scattered unless there were also an agency to take care of what appertains to the commonweal. In like manner, the body of a man or any other animal would disintegrate unless there were a general ruling force within the body which watches over the common good of all members. With this in mind, Solomon says [Eccl. 4:9]: “Where there is no governor, the people shall fall.”

http://dhspriory.org/thomas/DeRegno.htm

You are intentionally distorting the implication made by Fr. Nely.

The forcing out of Fr. Petrucci as it relates to the SSPX and their current status with Rome, is ONLY about the removal from the SSPX of any and ALL objectors to a deal, or those who will criticize Pope Francis's outrageous actions.

It is NOT about the "common good" of the Church as a whole, in this context.

cathman7 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2017, 10:49:42 PM »

I just want the readers to be clear that the concept of the common good is Catholic.

mw2016 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2017, 10:51:37 PM »

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I just want the readers to be clear that the concept of the common good is Catholic.

I think we all understand Our Lord's concept of the common good, which seems to be something altogether different than the tyranny being practiced by the SSPX upon its clergy and faithful as of late.

Nadir · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2017, 11:54:21 PM »

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I just want the readers to be clear that the concept of the common good is Catholic.

I was concerned about that myself. It is wrong to believe that it is not part of Catholic teaching. I am not here defending the actions of SSPX hierarchy, but error should be corrected.

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Catholic Social Teaching

The permanent principles of the Church's social doctrine . . . are: the dignity of the human person, the common good, subsidiarity, and solidarity. These principles, the expression of the whole truth about the human person known by reason and faith, are born of "the encounter of the Gospel message and of its demands summarised in the supreme commandment of love of God and neighbour in justice with the problems emanating from the life of society".

Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church par.160

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According to its primary and broadly accepted sense, the common good indicates "the sum total of social conditions which allow people, either as groups or as individuals, to reach their fulfilment more fully and more easily".

Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church par. 164

mw2016 said:

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There is nothing Catholic about that phrase, although it does sound a LOT like communism to me.

This statement is false and needed to be corrected. Thank you obscurus.

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You are intentionally distorting the implication made by Fr. Nely.

The forcing out of Fr. Petrucci as it relates to the SSPX and their current status with Rome, is ONLY about the removal from the SSPX of any and ALL objectors to a deal, or those who will criticize Pope Francis's outrageous actions.

It is NOT about the "common good" of the Church as a whole, in this context.

You ought not to judge obscurus' intentions. Neither did Fr Nely say it was for "the "common good" of the Church as a whole". He said for the common good of the (SSPX) District (Italy). SSPX is not "the Church".

mw2016 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2017, 12:34:15 AM »

Nadir and obscurus are being unreasonably obtuse.

I think everyone here understands communism's historical use of the phrase common good.

The SSPX has in recent years taken the habit of using talking points: talking points that appear to come from on-high, and according to Fr. Hewko's recent sermon where he said he witnessed the "faxes" before his expulsion, they really DO come from on-high.

Everyone here reading this can see that Fr. Wegner and Fr. Nely are using talking points "phrases" they have been given in the no-doubt Jєωιѕн rebranding efforts. Hence, the stench of the communistic phrasing.

Stop trying to teach a theology lesson where one isn't necessary.

cathman7 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2017, 08:04:39 PM »

I am not really sure what we are arguing about.

I can't speak for Nadir but the only point for my rather insignificant posts was that I wanted it to be clear that in the Catholic Church's rich social teachings there IS a clear concept of the common good rooted in a Thomistic understanding of the individual and society. All of this talk about intentions etc...distracts from the point I was trying to make.

I don't want readers coming home with the mistaken notion that the use of the term common good is somehow intrinsically false.

Incredulous · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2017, 07:41:11 AM »

In the case of the xSPX, the "common good" can be understood to mean saving Menzingen's face.

From Fr. Nely's PR statement, we now know Fr. Petrucci did the unspeakable... embarrassed Francis and newChurch, with his statements.

For those who can see the xSPX's Jansenists cloak, we can only laugh at the "trad pope's" regular use of the terms "Canon Law" and "State of Grace", to justify his team's actions.

How do you concoct a new Dominican order? "Hey man, it's my state of grace that give me the authority."