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cosmas · « **on:** April 09, 2016, 11:39:06 AM »

Main Vatican (Ecclesia Dei) official: Vatican II disagreements no obstacle to SSPX structure

Abp. Pozzo, Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, spoke to the semi-official daily of the French episcopate, La Croix, on the relations between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, and among other relevant things said the following:

"The difficulties raised by the SSPX regarding Church-State relations and religious freedom,the practice of ecuмenism, and the dialogue with non-Christian religions, of certain aspects of the liturgical reform, and of its concrete application, remain the object of discussion and clarification, Abp. Pozzo [of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei] added, but they are not an obstacle for the canonical and legal recognition

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2016, 12:09:27 PM »

If Rome doesn't have to return to tradition but merely accept the SSPX 'as they are." that will make it very easy then for the Old Catholics to be accepted "as they are." and the SSPX will have to remain silent.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2016, 12:48:56 PM »

Old Catholics are the same as liberal novus ordo gαy parishes. So, not much change there.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2016, 01:32:08 PM »

Quote from: cosmas

Main Vatican (Ecclesia Dei) official: Vatican II disagreements no obstacle to SSPX structure

Abp. Pozzo, Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, spoke to the semi-official daily of the French episcopate, La Croix, on the relations between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, and among other relevant things said the following:

"The difficulties raised by the SSPX regarding Church-State relations and religious freedom,the practice of ecuмenism, and the dialogue with non-Christian religions, of certain aspects of the liturgical reform, and of its concrete application, remain the object of discussion and clarification, Abp. Pozzo [of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei] added, but they are not an obstacle for the canonical and legal recognition

Msgr. Pozzo also stated April 9, 2016:

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What are the basic requirements to the SSPX, for their full communion with the Church of Rome?

It is first necessary to reiterate that being Catholic requires adherence to the Profession of Faith, the bond of the sacraments and hierarchical communion with the Roman Pontiff, Head of the College of Bishops in communion with him. The Doctrinal Statement, which will be submitted for membership of the SSPX in the appropriate time, will contain these three essential and necessary points.
http://www.leforumcatholique.org/message.php?num=801960

The "Profession of Faith" remains non-conditional. And why not? That is ALL Rome needs to muzzle and render the SSPX totally impotent.

To be Catholics, we need to "Firmly admit and embrace the apostolic and ecclesiastical traditions and other observances and constitutions of the Church”. NOT "embrace" Modernists.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2016, 02:25:43 PM »

Quote from: the [color=red

non-dogmatic[/color] paragraph on the "Profession of Faith"]Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act.

To be clear:

The Apostolic Exhortation “Amoris Laetitia” (4/9/16) is a "teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium" which "they do not intend to proclaim...by a definitive act" BUT the SSPX and all indult communities will be expected to "adhere with religious submission of will and intellect" in order to be considered "Catholics" by the New church. Hope this helps to see the picture.

Croixalist · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2016, 03:01:22 PM »

It really all comes down to how, when, and where the New Mass will be implemented. This is where all this equivocation is leading to. Hopefully there will be some chapels spared this fate, but all we have is driftwood anymore.

The arm of the Church must raise up and clear her enemies out of the way!

:boxer: :boxer: :boxer:

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2016, 11:14:19 AM »

The priest announced yesterday that +F had been summoned by Francis for a 'surprise' meeting. The little highlights shared: +F asked if the SSPX jurisdiction for confessions would end with the year of Mercy, and was told it would be permanent. This shows that the Society is indeed Catholic, since he wouldn't give that jurisdiction to a group in schism. Francis told +F "you [/i]are Catholic" ; which is important because it shows the SSPX is part of the Church and not in schism to their enemies. The priest said there was more, but it wasn't to be told at this time. That the meeting was encouraging, and he repeated twice that there would be no deal "anytime soon".

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2016, 11:21:11 AM »

P.S. There has been a lot of discussion lately about the purchase of a larger property, for a tiny chapel that is regularly less than half full as it is--- which immediately made me wonder where they plan to get all the extra pew-warmers to warrant the expenditure. hmmm...

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2016, 02:08:51 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

The priest announced yesterday that +F had been summoned by Francis for a 'surprise' meeting. The little highlights shared: +F asked if the SSPX jurisdiction for confessions would end with the year of Mercy, and was told it would be permanent. This shows that the Society is indeed Catholic, since he wouldn't give that jurisdiction to a group in schism. Francis told +F "you [/i]are Catholic" ; which is important because it shows the SSPX is part of the Church and not in schism to their enemies. The priest said there was more, but it wasn't to be told at this time. That the meeting was encouraging, and he repeated twice that there would be no deal "anytime soon".

Thank you, 1st Mansion Tenant.

1- Yes, they would not give Jurisdiction to anyone they cannot control...+Williamson, +Faure, +Aquinas.

2- Rorate Caeli already knows more. So much for SSPX secrecy:

The Pope confirmed that the SSPX was Catholic in his eyes
He confirmed that he never would condemn it
He confided that he wishes to expand the faculties of the SSPX, starting with the authorization of its priests to validly hear confession.

Finally, during the talks in Rome, Bishop Fellay was encouraged to establish a seminary in Italy.

The good news is for Bergoglio who will have the Italian seminary under his thumb (or foot).

MyrnaM · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2016, 02:24:36 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

The priest announced yesterday that +F had been summoned by Francis for a 'surprise' meeting. The little highlights shared: +F asked if the SSPX jurisdiction for confessions would end with the year of Mercy, and was told it would be permanent. This shows that the Society is indeed Catholic, since he wouldn't give that jurisdiction to a group in schism. Francis told +F "you [/i]are Catholic" ; which is important because it shows the SSPX is part of the Church and not in schism to their enemies. The priest said there was more, but it wasn't to be told at this time. That the meeting was encouraging, and he repeated twice that there would be no deal "anytime soon".

But, what if the Francis and his Modernism, novus ordo, is in schism!! By bringing back the SSPX who are not in schism, would put them in schism, no?

stgobnait · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2016, 03:35:54 PM »

Why do they keep speaking of a deal, what is this an Auction?

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2016, 06:09:26 AM »

CathInfo had been discussing the latest interview with Msgr. Pozzo since April 9th. On April 12th, the SSPX put the actual interview on their website. A few days after the cat was out of the bag. Leave it to them to keep secrets from the faithful until it is public. The link won't work but go to sspx.org

knish, in his new post: "Prediction: Unilateral Recognition of the SSPX within 2 months", is right. Rorate Caeli is always braking the news on the SSPX and seem to be on the "inside" every time there is something cooking. They broke the news on "SP", Argentinian "recognition" with detail, etc... Just watch!

Knish may be a RC insider, who knows, but what he says is true.

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2016, 08:44:39 AM »

Quote from: stgobnait

Why do they keep speaking of a deal, what is this an Auction?

How can you be a member of this forum so long, having made over a thousand posts, and make a comment like this? Do you actually read anything on the forum or do you just make random comments?

knish · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2016, 07:36:38 AM »

Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora

CathInfo had been discussing the latest interview with Msgr. Pozzo since April 9th. On April 12th, the SSPX put the actual interview on their website. A few days after the cat was out of the bag. Leave it to them to keep secrets from the faithful until it is public. The link won't work but go to sspx.org

knish, in his new post: "Prediction: Unilateral Recognition of the SSPX within 2 months", is right. Rorate Caeli is always braking the news on the SSPX and seem to be on the "inside" every time there is something cooking. They broke the news on "SP", Argentinian "recognition" with detail, etc... Just watch!

Knish may be a RC insider, who knows, but what he says is true.

Sorry, just some guy on the internet. Though, I'm still convinced it will occur in less than 2 months.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2016, 12:42:45 PM »

At least Bergoglio is an internally-consistent liberal/modernist. He doesn't believe that ANYONE is actually outside the Church, not even a blaspheming atheist. So why should the SSPX be an exception?