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  • Moderator edit:
    I have confirmed this news story as well. Status: TRUE.

    Archbishop Vigano being conditionally consecrated by a valid Traditional bishop is no longer open for debate, at least not on this forum. Contrary "opinions" (against reality, known fact) are not welcome or permitted.

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    For the information of all, Archbishop Vigano
    @CarloMVigano
    , it is confirmed is now conditionally consecrated and is a Bishop of the Resistance with Bishop Williamson. We welcome his excellency to our ranks!




    Offline Hank Igitur

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #1 on: January 04, 2024, 08:13:17 PM »
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  • Moderator edit:

    I don't allow outright, proven errors on CathInfo, things that are "not open for debate".
    This news story has since been verified to be true, so I won't permit statements contrary to known fact.

    NOTE: I'm not blaming this member, as he posted it BEFORE it was confirmed by multiple sources.
    I AM moderating this objectively erroneous post, however.


    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #2 on: January 04, 2024, 08:15:23 PM »
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  • Really?? How do you know??

    https://twitter.com/FlatTrads/status/1743056331593191527
    Here- read the comments

    If it is fake, I apologize but I think it's legit

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #3 on: January 04, 2024, 08:34:38 PM »
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  • It's real. One of my friends has Bishop Williamson's number, and they talk often, and he asked +Williamson if +Vigano was conditionally re-consecrated, and +Williamson said yes.
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #4 on: January 04, 2024, 09:05:42 PM »
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  • From what Lad said weeks ago here on Cathinfo, I figured it was true but this seems to be the public confirmation. At least I hope so.


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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #5 on: January 04, 2024, 09:37:14 PM »
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  • It's real. One of my friends has Bishop Williamson's number, and they talk often, and he asked +Williamson if +Vigano was conditionally re-consecrated, and +Williamson said yes.

    Same here.  Bishop Williamson personally confirmed it to someone who's in direct contact with him (and who told me).  That's where I got my information from a couple weeks ago or so.  It was also directly confirmed directly to this individual by Father Chazal, and in a letter (that I saw) from Bishop Faure to this individual.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #6 on: January 04, 2024, 09:40:42 PM »
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  • Really?? How do you know??

    https://twitter.com/FlatTrads/status/1743056331593191527
    Here- read the comments

    If it is fake, I apologize but I think it's legit

    I'm not sure what a "Bishop of the Resistance" is, since there's no formal group.  I think that Father Chazal listed the criteria that would qualify someone to be part of the Resistance, so it's more of a standard than membership in some group, society, or formal organization.

    Interesting that it comes from "Flat Trads", since Sean always used to insult me for my "Flat Earth" position.  :laugh1:

    God bless Archbishop Vigano.  Ad Multos Annos

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2024, 09:46:27 PM »
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  • It's official when Bishop Williamson and Vigano make it public.  Why don't they?


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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #8 on: January 05, 2024, 05:02:00 AM »
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  • Since Vigano was made a priest in 1968 I assume this he is a valid priest to begin with. Overall this is good news. I am still keeping my eyes open however.

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #9 on: January 05, 2024, 05:18:59 AM »
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  • Really?? How do you know??

    https://twitter.com/FlatTrads/status/1743056331593191527
    Here- read the comments

    If it is fake, I apologize but I think it's legit
    Having heard it from several credible sources, I believe that Bishop Williamson definitely did conditionally consecrate Vigano.

    That being said I wouldn't base this as "official news" just because it showed up on Twitter by a person using a fake name. 

    I believe it more because of trustworthy sources such as Fr. Chazal, and the other traditional priests who have confirmed this.

    Now...  If Bishop Vigano was to proclaim this from his own personal Twitter page...  Then I think that could be considered news. :popcorn:
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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2024, 05:30:11 AM »
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  • Has he made a public abjuration of error for his public heresies and apostasy such as these?


    See this video at the 7:31 mark

    https://youtu.be/nES89qnv9x8?t=450


    He says:




    Or here:

    ARCHBISHOP VIGANÒ OMITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH IN LETTER TO RABBI
    (from the comments)
    Vigano not only failed to mention Christ, the true Jєωιѕн Messiah but falsely stated that Israel is NOT looking for an anti-Christ, when it is exactly what Israel is looking for!


    https://www.fromrome.info/2020/05/27/archbishop-vigano-omits-faith-in-jesus-christ-and-the-church-in-letter-to-rabbi/



    Or here:

    ABVigano to Jєωs, Protestants, Catholics and whatnot at the Zionist

    ʝʊdɛօ-Christian Jericho Rally:

    We are the silent army of the children of Light


    As a community of believers, we take our petitions to heaven, and we know that our mighty and powerful God answers and can move mountains."

    Believers in what exactly?  What did the crowd of Jєωs and New Agers and Protestants and whatnot there believe in? 

    Did they share the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith?  No.

    They all believed in Trump.

    From Novus Ordo Watch:
    By speaking in the first person plural — “we” — he is making clear that he considers himself one of them and one with them. This is only consistent with the nature and purpose of the event, which the organizers had announced would be “comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians collectively praying to God"



    See the whole post for details about his heresies and apostasy committed at that event:
    https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/




    Here is a flyer from the event.  It's a clear contradiction of the quotes from councils, saints and popes.


    It makes it clear that it is promoting the ʝʊdɛօ-Christian faith and communal prayer. 




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    What does the Church say?


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    The Council of Laodicea in 365 AD stated, “No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.”


    St. Cyril of Alexandria echoed these same sentiments when he said, “It is therefore unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite yourself to their communion.”

    Council of Carthage in the fifth century decreed, “One must neither pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: let him be excommunicated.”


    St. Thomas Aquinas, said, “To know whom to avoid is a great means of saving our souls…Thus, the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith by corrupting it, such as heretics, or by renouncing it, such as apostates.”


    They presuppose the erroneous view that all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy, inasmuch as all give expression, under various forms, to that innate sense which leads men to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule… to favor this opinion, therefore, and to encourage such undertakings, is tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God.”

    Let us focus attention on the phrase “tantamount to abandoning the religion revealed by God.” This phrase is another definition of the word “apostasy.” According to Pope Pius XI, to hold to false ecuмenism and to encourage it, is equivalent to apostasy.


    https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/the-last-days-and-false-ecuмenism/


    Since Vigano is very close friends with Chabadnik, Rabbi Schneier, he would probably know that the blowing of Shofars means calling forth the anti-christ:


    "Blowing the shofar speaks to us of the coming of the Moshiach (AC) and the great good toward which the world is moving."

    By Rabbi Nochum Mangel, Chabad

    https://daytonJєωιѕнobserver.org/2018/08/one-shofar-many-faces/




    Aren't public heretics/apostates barred from taking office?




    Bull of Pope Paul IVcuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559
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    “Further, if ever it should appear that any bishop (even one acting as an archbishop, patriarch or primate), or a cardinal of the Roman Church, or a legate (as mentioned above), or even the Roman Pontiff (whether prior to his promotion to cardinal, or prior to his election as Roman Pontiff), has beforehand deviated from the Catholic faith or fallen into any heresy, We enact, decree, determine and define:
    — “Such promotion or election in and of itself, even with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the cardinals, shall be null, legally invalid and void.
    — “It shall not be possible for such a promotion or election to be deemed valid or to be valid, neither through reception of office, consecration, subsequent administration, or possession, nor even through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff himself, together with the veneration and obedience accorded him by all.
    — “Such promotion or election, shall not through any lapse of tune in the foregoing situation, be considered even partially legitimate in any way . . .
    — “Each and all of the words, as acts, laws, appointments of those so promoted or elected —and indeed, whatsoever flows therefrom — shall be lacking in force, and shall grant no stability and legal power to anyone whatsoever.
    “Those so promoted or elected, by that very fact and without the need to make any further declaration, shall be deprived of any dignity, position, honor, title, authority, office and power.”



    I hope Lad and others are able to address these grave concerns and the evidence provided rather than derailing the conversation with ad hominems and misdirection.



    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #11 on: January 05, 2024, 06:00:31 AM »
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  • Now...  If Bishop Vigano was to proclaim this from his own personal Twitter page...  Then I think that could be considered news. :popcorn:
    I have seen people on X (including myself) ask him if it was true.  And yet he never responds.  When will they stop playing games and make an official public announcement rather than continuing to let the information seep out to this and that "special" person in private?

    And I'll repeat other unpopular and inconvenient questions:  Why did Vigano publicly announce his new seminary BEFORE publicly announcing his conditional consecration? And why did he proclaim it the ONLY Traditional Catholic seminary in Italy when that is just not true?

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2024, 06:15:52 AM »
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  • Has he made a public abjuration of error for his public heresies and apostasy such as these?

    Oh, get lost.  No Traditional group requires public abjuration for those coming to Traditional Catholicism from the Conciliar Church.  Cf. the explanation of Bishop Sanborn for why, and his criticism of SGG for also not requiring one (despite considering the Conciliar Church to be a non-Catholic sect).  But you know better than every Traditional Bishop and priest out there, right?

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2024, 06:18:44 AM »
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  • Has he made a public abjuration of error for his public heresies and apostasy such as these?



    I hope Lad and others are able to address these grave concerns and the evidence provided rather than derailing the conversation with ad hominems and misdirection.
    Well, assuming it's true about Bishop Williamson conditionally consecrating him a true bishop, then given Bishop Williamson's views, I would think he would have "vetted" him before doing so.  I would think any Catholic bishop would make sure that the consecrand (?) is truly worthy of the orders. Perhaps that will come out too when it truly goes "public".

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    Re: It's Official! Archbishop Vigano conditionally consecrated !!!!!
    « Reply #14 on: January 05, 2024, 06:28:07 AM »
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  • Well, assuming it's true about Bishop Williamson conditionally consecrating him a true bishop, then given Bishop Williamson's views, I would think he would have "vetted" him before doing so.  I would think any Catholic bishop would make sure that the consecrand (?) is truly worthy of the orders. Perhaps that will come out too when it truly goes "public".

    As I mentioned, no Traditional group requires public abjuration from those coming over from the Conciliar Church, not even a couple that outright consider the Conciliar Church to be a non-Catholic sect simpliciter.  Bishop Sanborn has articulated his reasons why ... but Miser always knows better.  "Public", as defined by theologians is something that's no longer confined to an individual but is in a position to become widely known.  There's no definition of "Public" that requires a formal announcement on someone's blog.  Bishops Williamson and Faure, and Father Chazal, have all told individuals about the conditional consecration.  That qualifies as "public" under any theological definition of the term.