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Offline SeanJohnson

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How sure are we that the email came from +Tissier?

Why would you question it?
Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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Why does an SSPX bishop take the advice of the perennialist "Dr. Rama Cosmaraswany", i.e. Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy.

Bishop Tissier expressed some time ago that it was a mistake for Archbishop Lefebvre to pick Bishop Williamson.

Funny thing, but when Bishop Williamson was rector at Winona he used to invite a rabbi (more than once and more than one?) to talk to seminarians.

Why did Archbishop Lefebvre pick any of them? Bishop Williamson is more my type, as he says critical things of jews and has exposed the fraud of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. But why invite a rabbi to speak to seminarians?

Having never been a member of the SSPX and not paying that much attention to them it's a head scratcher how they went from showcasing very anti-Jєωιѕн articles on the homepage of their website (which I remember years back enjoying) to kissing up to jews. Practically overnight. With very little criticism from the SSPX faithful. The old frog in the frying pan trick.
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Why does an SSPX bishop take the advice of the perennialist "Dr. Rama Cosmaraswany", i.e. Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy.

Bishop Tissier expressed some time ago that it was a mistake for Archbishop Lefebvre to pick Bishop Williamson.

Funny thing, but when Bishop Williamson was rector at Winona he used to invite a rabbi (more than once and more than one?) to talk to seminarians.

Why did Archbishop Lefebvre pick any of them? Bishop Williamson is more my type, as he says critical things of Jєωs and has exposed the fraud of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. But why invite a rabbi to speak to seminarians?

Having never been a member of the SSPX and not paying that much attention to them it's a head scratcher how they went from showcasing very anti-Jєωιѕн articles on the homepage of their website (which I remember years back enjoying) to kissing up to Jєωs. Practically overnight. With very little criticism from the SSPX faithful. The old frog in the frying pan trick.

It could have been to let the seminarians get first hand experience with what the Jєωs believe. They can be excellent teachers of the old testament, revealing convincing evidence from even the shortest of passages in the bible in many ways that Jesus is the messiah, without that thought ever crossing their mind.

It would be interesting to know if and why he invited them. It's something to ask him and the priests he taught about.
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Oops; wrong thread.
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How sure are we that the email came from +Tissier?

He told us it did so I'm guessing the Dominican priest wasn't lying to us at a retreat. 


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Why does an SSPX bishop take the advice of the perennialist "Dr. Rama Cosmaraswany", i.e. Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy.

Bishop Tissier expressed some time ago that it was a mistake for Archbishop Lefebvre to pick Bishop Williamson.

Funny thing, but when Bishop Williamson was rector at Winona he used to invite a rabbi (more than once and more than one?) to talk to seminarians.



Or ordain a known sɛҳuąƖ predator?



After his SSPX ordination, everywhere Urrutigoity went, scandals erupted.

The latest being under Pope Benedict and Francis involving a former Opus judei Bishop of Paraguay. who had converted to Tradition.

It was if Urrutigoity was an MKUltra traveling bomb.
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The only way to save the new rite of episcopal consecration is if the entire preface is considered the form, in that case it does appear to meet the requirements that Pope Pius XII laid down in Sacramentum Ordinis, because the entire preface does mention the power of the high priesthood and the Holy Ghost. If i recall correctly, the rite of episcopal consecration in the eastern rites has the entire preface as the form, and not just a few words like in the roman rite.The only problem with this theory is that Paul VI said that the few words which includes the phrase "governing spirit" is to be considered the form.
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The only way to save the new rite of episcopal consecration is if the entire preface is considered the form, in that case it does appear to meet the requirements that Pope Pius XII laid down in Sacramentum Ordinis, because the entire preface does mention the power of the high priesthood and the Holy Ghost. The only problem with this theory is that Paul VI said that the few words which includes the phrase "governing spirit" is to be considered the form.
Agreed. If the whole preface was the form it could be considered valid. Unfortunately, most people pretend as if it is in fact the form.


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Bishop Tissier expressed some time ago that it was a mistake for Archbishop Lefebvre to pick Bishop Williamson.
Really? Do you have a reference for this, Rum? I guess he would have preferred the Archbishop had chosen a few more prudent turncoats so they could have remained united amongst themselves... As one of the SSPX priests told us when the Resistance was starting: we need to stay united, that way we have more strength. Talk about Vatican IIb. "Stay in the Church and fight from within"! History repeats.

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Bishop Tissier expressed some time ago that it was a mistake for Archbishop Lefebvre to pick Bishop Williamson.

Yeah, losing your courage after ending up on the losing side of the Letter of the Three Bishops will make you say lots of funny things to get back on the good side of the boss.
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He told us it did so I'm guessing the Dominican priest wasn't lying to us at a retreat.

I would prefer to see the entire context of the email.


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Long correspondence and the type is big. If it were smaller it'd be easiet to digest. Dies Judaicus or maybe Dies Juno Moneta? Juno Moneta was Big Medicine back in the day. 

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Really? Do you have a reference for this, Rum? I guess he would have preferred the Archbishop had chosen a few more prudent turncoats so they could have remained united amongst themselves... As one of the SSPX priests told us when the Resistance was starting: we need to stay united, that way we have more strength. Talk about Vatican IIb. "Stay in the Church and fight from within"! History repeats.
SeanJohnson made reference to it in a couple posts:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-tissier-de-malleraiss-sermon-for-pentecost/30/

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-sermons/'eleison-comments'-by-mgr-williamson-16-february-2013/15/

That's my head-scratcher. Not that Archbishop Lefebvre chose Richard Williamson but that he chose these other 3 judaizers. I know many people here admire Archbishop Lefebvre, but the question that irks me is why he didn't have the charism to correctly identify and size up his recruits. That has to be counted as a failure on his part. Or you can take the sedevacantist position, and that is that Archbishop Lefebvre didn't correctly understand just how much in eclipse the Church was, and therefore due to his own errors in his understanding of Catholicism made the wrong choices. He wasn't Catholic enough.

h0Ɩ0cαųst "deniers" are judaized. I consider Germar Rudolf to be judaized. I don't say that as a put-down.

We're all judaized to some degree. jews, unfortunately, are our rulers.

Anyone who respects the тαℓмυd should be treated as the United States government treats those it calls "terrorists."

I think of that phrase Michael Davies used: "time-bombs." The judaizing of Catholics over the centuries has taken its toll, even with the "elect."

Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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It could have been to let the seminarians get first hand experience with what the Jєωs believe. They can be excellent teachers of the old testament, revealing convincing evidence from even the shortest of passages in the bible in many ways that Jesus is the messiah, without that thought ever crossing their mind.

It would be interesting to know if and why he invited them. It's something to ask him and the priests he taught about.
I don't have anything negative to say about Bishop Williamson other than the fact that there's really no good reason to invite a rabbi to talk to seminarians. Catholics understand jews better than jews understand jews. Or, they're supposed to understand jews better than jews understand jews. Catholics should be extremely chauvinistic towards jews.
Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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Or ordain a known sɛҳuąƖ predator?



After his SSPX ordination, everywhere Urrutigoity went, scandals erupted.

The latest being under Pope Benedict and Francis involving a former Opus judei Bishop of Paraguay. who had converted to Tradition.

It was if Urrutigoity was an MKUltra traveling bomb.
Another problem with the lack of charism. Sizing up people should be a pretty easy thing to do if you're holy.
Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.