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Author Topic: It's a Huonderful Life! Open Letter to Fr. Jorna, District Superior of the SSPX  (Read 9857 times)

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Yet a council CAN declare the fact of a pope’s heresy, and that consequently God has deposed him.

I'm not sure if that is feasible since a valid council requires the council to be in union with the Pope. The Pope has no superior on earth, not even a Council can judge or depose him, or else you fall into the error of the schismatic and heretical Greeks. The scenario you painted is possible with Conclavist councils which is another can of worms. Or like I said previously, a later Council in union with a later Pope can do so.

I'm not sure if that is feasible since a valid council requires the council to be in union with the Pope. 
St Robert, again - Bk I, On Councils, Ch XIV, Certain Doubts are Answered:

...whether or not it is lawful for a Council to be summoned by anyone other than the Pope when the Pope should not summon it, for the reason that he is a heretic or a schismatic...
I respond that in no cause can a true and perfect Council... be convoked without the authority of the Pope, because he has the authority to define questions of faith. For the particular authority is in the head, in Peter; to whom it was commanded to confirm his brethren, and therefore for whom the Lord prayed lest his faith would fail (Luke 22). Still in... (this)... case an imperfect Council could be gathered which would suffice to provide for the Church from the head. For the Church, without a doubt, has the authority to provide for itself from the head, although it cannot, without the head, make determinations on many things on which it can with the head, as Cajetan rightly teaches in his little work,
de Potestate Papae c. 15 and 16, and much earlier on the priests of the Roman Church in their epistle to Cyprian, which is 7 in the second book of the works of Cyprian. Hence, the imperfect Council can happen, if either it is summoned by the college of Cardinals, or the Bishops themselves come together in a place of themselves.





The author confuses defect of form and defect of intention. The SSPX have never claimed any of the New Rites are defective per se. Any conditional re-ordinations done in the past were due to defect of intention, which were done on a case by case basis and usually involved something the minister had said or done that may give a positive doubt regarding his intention.

Bp. Tissier de Mallerais no longer holds the episcopal consecration form is invalid. Indeed, implicit in his private letter (which was based on a rushed reading of Cosmaraswany's booklet), is that he would also have to conclude that the old Abyssinian/Coptic rites must be invalid since they used the same form – something the Church has never said even when dealing with Anglican Orders (Anglicans used this in their defense). Rather, the form doesn’t become invalid but indeterminate and the correct intention is provided ex adjunctis.

Another error Bp. TdM makes is in his claim that the power to confirm is supplied to a simple priest. Firstly, the Church has never defined what power is delegated by the pope; it could be one of order, or jurisdiction, or some order/jurisdiction hybrid, or some other unknown third power. But the supplementary principle will only supply jurisdiction. Secondly, if a delegated power of the pope can be supplied then why not the delegated power to ordain? There are at least three instances in medieval times where three different popes have delegated power to simple priests to ordain to the diaconate and priesthood. It is now generally accepted that a priest is the extraordinary minister of ordination.
If the common practice in the SSPX used to be to conditionally re-ordain novus ordo priests based on a defective intention of the ordaining bishop, then that begs the question of whether or not the SSPX has "realized" that doing conditional re-ordinations based on a defect of intention doesn't make any sense, and that it logically leads to accepting the new rite if ordination/episcopal consecration as valid per se.

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I think that makes it a little rash for non-theologians to make definitive judgments about certain validity or non. Only the Magisterium can do that, or so it appears to me.

Let us not forget that when the New Mass was foisted upon us in 1969 there was a great multitude of "theologians" with their pre-Vatican II diplomas, who told us stupidos not to worry about the New Mass.  Just trust the theologians!   Fr Wathen always told us about these brilliant "theologians" who found absolutely no problem with The Great Sacrilege. 

Let us not forget that when the New Mass was foisted upon us in 1969 there was a great multitude of "theologians" with their pre-Vatican II diplomas...

The head 'theologian', of course, was the Freemason Annibale Bugnini who initially went to work starting in 1948.  The other 'theologians' include those six Protestants brought in as 'observers' who gave their humble 'opinions' on the matter.  New rite concocted with the help of the sworn enemies of the Church.  Doesn't smell legit.