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Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?

Yes: Known Sterilization Nullifies a Marriage
6 (10.5%)
Yes: Couples have a right to know if their spouse will likely incur serious health problems
14 (24.6%)
Yes: If a couple is divided in morals, potential children will be confused.
20 (35.1%)
Yes: It will divide the family if only some are vaxed (i.e., some not allowed to go certain places)
1 (1.8%)
Yes: Other
9 (15.8%)
No: Why would vax status be relevant to courting?
7 (12.3%)

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Offline SeanJohnson

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Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
« on: January 19, 2022, 01:03:48 PM »
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  • Been thinking about this more and more:

    If the SSPX and Bishop Sanborn are giving the green light to abortion-tainted jabs, it means some will take advantage of that permission, and we will have vaxed and purebloods mixing unbeknownst to eachother in the same chapels.

    Are there reasons why a boy or girl SHOULD want to know about the status of his potential spouse?  Should vax status be a "deal breaker?"
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #1 on: January 19, 2022, 01:15:29 PM »
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  • I agree with all the "yes" answers, but voted for number 3.
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2022, 01:26:23 PM »
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  • Been thinking about this more and more:

    If the SSPX and Bishop Dolan are giving the green light to abortion-tainted jabs, it means some will take advantage of that permission, and we will have vaxed and purebloods mixing unbeknownst to eachother in the same chapels.

    Are there reasons why a boy or girl SHOULD want to know about the status of his potential spouse?  Should vax status be a "deal breaker?"

    I thought about this right away, as soon as it was known the jabs were likely sterilizing and causing long-term health problems.

    P.S. We should try to fight their agenda as you were doing, calling those who refused the vax "purebloods" because you want a 100% positive connotation, reflecting the truth.

    "I am unmodified."
    Pureblood
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #3 on: January 19, 2022, 01:37:08 PM »
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  • P.S. We should try to fight their agenda as you were doing, calling those who refused the vax "purebloods" because you want a 100% positive connotation, reflecting the truth.

    "I am unmodified."
    Pureblood
    etc.
    "What is my status, you ask, I'm unadulterated thank you for asking."

    As for the poll, I picked the 3rd Yes but if there was an "all of the above" option I would have picked that.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 06:07:48 AM »
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  • Wonder how the stats would look if this poll were posted on the SSPX Facebook page?
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 06:13:35 AM »
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  • I can't really vote on this poll because multiple reasons apply:

    1) potential sterilization
    2) potential health effects (even if they're not sterile, the kids could end up orphaned ... either without a father to support them or a mother to nurture them)
    3) jabbers show lack of moral fortitude and ability to stand up against the world (or are stupid sheep)

    Perhaps #3 could be excused if someoe were just, say, following the (pernicious) advice of the SSPX.  Lay people are not required to be moral theologians, and I could see somone deferrig to the SSPX.  But even then if they didn't do their own homework at least about the dangers of the jab, that shows them to be intellectually lazy and able to be manipulated by the powers that be (or by social pressure).

    Currently in the poll, the "morals" aspect is #1, but I might put that lower ... just because I could see someone in good faith deferring to the judgment of the SSPX for the reasons stated above.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 07:11:37 AM »
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  • Also, their parent(s) could have forced them.

    HOWEVER, even then, you are marrying the family to a certain extent. I know nowadays you can't get too picky (my wife's family is half Novus Ordo and half "nothing") but sometimes the badness of the parents passes on to the children, if you know what I mean. Their values, priorities, beliefs, etc.

    But I agree with your post Lad. It does show moral weakness, laziness, and worst of all, a signal that they might be a sheep. NOT a good thing for the coming age.
    However important it was to be awake and aware for the past 50 years, it's about to become 10X as important.

    Sending your kid to public school in the 80's was a poor choice. In the 90's or 00's it was a much worse choice. Doing so in 2020 could actually be fatal -- due to long term effects of traumatization, propaganda, mask wearing, emotional damage, and mandatory vaccines. That's to say nothing about the current "Woke" nature of the educational system. We celebrated Columbus Day back in the 80's and early 90's (my public school career). Today, they completely vilify the White Man and Columbus in particular. His "day" is now known as "Indigenous Peoples' Day". I'm not kidding.
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 07:17:51 AM »
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 07:25:22 AM »
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  • As for the poll, I picked the 3rd Yes but if there was an "all of the above" option I would have picked that.

    I chose "Yes: Other" for that reason; I think all of the "yes" answers matter.
     
    Having said that, the potential sterilization issue is huge

    And getting at some of what Lad & Matthew spoke of, I think compatibility on important issues can make a big difference in a marriage, even, for example, as far as what the parties think about childhood vассinеs.  Opposing opinions on such a question can cause enormous conflict in a marriage.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 07:40:51 AM »
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  • I chose "Yes: Other" for that reason; I think all of the "yes" answers matter.
     
    Having said that, the potential sterilization issue is huge

    And getting at some of what Lad & Matthew spoke of, I think compatibility on important issues can make a big difference in a marriage, even, for example, as far as what the parties think about childhood vассinеs.  Opposing opinions on such a question can cause enormous conflict in a marriage.

    The sterilization issue, were it shown to be a reality, would indeed be a direct attack upon the sacrament of marriage (and therefore it’s author):

    It would pre-empt even the possibility of marriage, and thereby eliminate one of the primary means by which God dispenses His grace for our salvation.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #10 on: January 20, 2022, 07:45:20 AM »
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  • Just to clarify, sterilization does not undermine marital validity. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 07:52:24 AM »
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  • Just to clarify, sterilization does not undermine marital validity.

    HUGE correction; thank you Mith!!!

    I found this, albeit based on the new Code:

    “To contract a valid marriage, one must possess the capacity and the will to enter into a permanent and procreative-type of union. (The procreative part requires only that one be capable of having true intercourse, not that that intercourse must be fertile. More on this below.)”

    https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/sterilized-couples-seeking-to-marry-5045

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2022, 07:59:27 AM »
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  • "sterilization does not undermine marital validity"

    FWIW, I was not thinking about the validity, but I just would not want to marry anyone who may have seriously (& so unnecessarily!) compromised his ability to have children, valid marriage or not.  I think potential spouses definitely have a right to know if the other has been jabbed.  For many reasons, including the potential detriment to fertility.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2022, 08:20:47 AM »
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  • It was already difficult enough finding someone suitable to court! 
    "When human beings have been brutalised by impurity, they will allow themselves to be enslaved without making any attempt to react." ~ Fr. Fahey


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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #14 on: January 20, 2022, 08:37:29 AM »
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  • "sterilization does not undermine marital validity"

    FWIW, I was not thinking about the validity, but I just would not want to marry anyone who may have seriously (& so unnecessarily!) compromised his ability to have children, valid marriage or not.  I think potential spouses definitely have a right to know if the other has been jabbed.  For many reasons, including the potential detriment to fertility.
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    Yes, and that is perfectly reasonable. I think the jury is still out on the EXACT effect the vax has on reproduction (the data so far certainly suggests a temporal association between the jab and reproductive difficulties, including miscarriage) so it will be difficult to tell right now whether one's jabbed object of interest will have problems.

    Infertility, except in certain cases (e.g. a hysterectomy) rarely means that someone cannot conceive full stop. It is a condition with a wide variety of gradations. Even couples with say five children can be said to struggle from infertility if the wife, say, has suffered several miscarriages. 

    Planning a marriage is planning a future. If a man or woman has reason to believe conception and pregnancy will be difficult, it should certainly not be kept a secret. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).