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Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?

Yes: Known Sterilization Nullifies a Marriage
6 (10.5%)
Yes: Couples have a right to know if their spouse will likely incur serious health problems
14 (24.6%)
Yes: If a couple is divided in morals, potential children will be confused.
20 (35.1%)
Yes: It will divide the family if only some are vaxed (i.e., some not allowed to go certain places)
1 (1.8%)
Yes: Other
9 (15.8%)
No: Why would vax status be relevant to courting?
7 (12.3%)

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Offline Emile

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Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2022, 02:43:45 PM »
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  • I can foresee the plausibility of a conversation like this in the future:

    Young Man: "Mr. Johnson, I'd like to ask your permission and blessing to ask your daughter to marry me."

    Me: "May I ask, young man, what your vaccination status is?"

    Young Man: "Huh?"

    Me: "I'll explain shortly, but just answer, please."

    Young Man: "Well, yes, I am fully vaccinated against COVID."

    Me: "Well, in that case, I will not be able to permit my daughter to marry you."

    Young Man: "But what does that have to do with anything?"

    Me: [Begin recounting all the considerations in this thread, which do not bode well for a pairing.]
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer


    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #31 on: January 20, 2022, 02:47:58 PM »
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    1.  You're assuming the jabbed will stay alive long enough to benefit from privacy laws.

    If they don't then you will have 100 million dead in North America in 10 years and another 100m sick or looking after sick people.
    The govt's number of jabbed is a total lie.  It's more like 1/3 of the US population - so probably 100m dead/sick, not 200m.  But you get the point.


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    2.  Most jabbed people are proud and open about their status, so why would they need privacy?

    Because they won't be proud if it being vaccinated greatly increases the risk of making them sick or unemployable later in life.
    It'll be too late by then.  If you come across some 22 year old who has heart problems or an auto-immune disease, and if they weren't born with this problem, you'll know the cause.


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    3.  Every US-health-privacy law only pertains to businesses/govt.  You can't outlaw some asking the question "Are you jabbed?"  That's free speech (at least in the US).

    Sure, you can ask, but you cannot find out the truth if there are strict privacy laws.
    :confused:  You can't find out now?  I can't call up a person's doctor and ask them "Did Susie get jabbed?"


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    4.  It would be very easy to "spot a liar" when it comes to the jabbed conversation.  You just keep probing the conversation and start making comments about health freedom and how the govt lies to us and natural remedies, etc.  Most jabbed won't be able to handle the "anti mainstream, anti-sheeple" thinking and will explode with "jab righteousness!" and self-defence. 

    Now they might, at the stage where the vaccine was the mark of Cain they would not.
    Mark of Cain?


    Offline Tallinn Trad

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #32 on: January 20, 2022, 02:59:35 PM »
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  • You are not answering the question, but instead seeking to dismiss it altogether (e.g., by making statistical arguments which suggest courtships between vaxed and unvaxed trads are unlikely in the first place).

    Its as though you don't want the issue to be relevant, but you never address the concerns adduced above in cases where the vaxed and unvaxed are or will be courting, preferring instead to pre-empt the possibility of two such trads coming together at all (or suggesting that the number of such courtships will be so few as to not be worthy of consideration, even though these hypothetical few will also have souls to save).

    OK, then leaving aside the fact that every SSPX teacher in New Zealand is vaxed, and that we've all probably known those SSPXers who say they'd take the jab rather than watch their families (allegedly) go hungry, for the sake of argument, let's stick with your 10% vaxed number:

    In these courtships, is vax status a pertinent issue?  Why or why not?

    It's pretty simple.  In a world in which the small percentage of Trad men or women are very likely to be sterile or have cancer or auto-immune diseases show up, then 100 million Americans are also since the vaccine won't distinguish between the religious and non-religious.  That is a whole different world.

    Vax status is pertinent IF there are long term effects from the vaccine of course.  I would not marry someone with a greatly heightened chance of dying in middle age, assuming a normal world of mortgage payments, housing costs, school cost, pensions and retirement.

    Let's say the vaccine gives cancer, AI diseases or sterilizes 1 in 1000 people and they die at 40 and the other 999 live life seemingly unaffected.  Then the economy can continue fairly normally and the risk of my wife or husband dying on me is not really that significant.  I would not be concerned about their vaccine status.  It is a small risk and needs to be seen in light of other small risks.  A vaxxed wife who drove safely or did not smoke cigarettes and had old parents and grandparents would be a better bet than an unvaxxed wife who drove carelessly or whose mother died of breast cancer.

    1 in 100, I would be more concerned, but we are now getting into a national (perhaps global) situation where 3 million additional Americans per year would die in their 30s 40s 50s, almost doubling the death rate.  That is a political earthquake with major changes that would happen in terms of economy, lawsuits, political disruption.  My future spouses willingness to leave the USA or move to Alaska might be more important than the 1 in 100 chance of them dying young.  Alternatively the USA may pay families to have children and then a vaxxed wife from a large family who wanted 15 children may be a better catch than an unvaxxed women whose mother and sister were not able to have more than 2 children each.

    1 in 10.  Mad Max territory, completely unpredictable how life would look.  I would probably marry any woman who could shoot straight.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #33 on: January 20, 2022, 03:06:22 PM »
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  • The govt's number of jabbed is a total lie.  It's more like 1/3 of the US population - so probably 100m dead/sick, not 200m.  But you get the point.

    It'll be too late by then.  If you come across some 22 year old who has heart problems or an auto-immune disease, and if they weren't born with this problem, you'll know the cause.

    :confused:  You can't find out now?  I can't call up a person's doctor and ask them "Did Susie get jabbed?"

    Mark of Cain?
    It's not a lie here in the UK.  Most of the people I know who are not Traditionalist Catholics are vaccinated.  About 70% of the UK.

    If the 22 year old is sick, then just like now you would factor that in to a decision.  But we are talking about people who are not sick but have a much higher chance of being sick later at say 40 or 50.  Life is not so neat that it delivers you the person sick to make a decision.  You marry and they are healthy and they then get sick.

    If the person was vaccinated as a child, not sick but very pious I might still marry them if I were a young man.  The piety might be desirable versus the risk of sickness.  I would rather a sick or dead pious wife than one who divorced me and that is not a rare outcome in Trad marriages.  It happens.

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #34 on: January 20, 2022, 03:25:54 PM »
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    Vax status is pertinent IF there are long term effects from the vaccine of course.
    If?  Are you seriously arguing that the jab isn't dangerous?  Or that "we don't know yet"?  If so, you are about 18 months late to the party.  It's common knowledge these things are dangerous, which is why Sean brought up the topic.


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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #35 on: January 20, 2022, 06:29:41 PM »
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  • Is the "vaccine" killing some people.  Yes, all vaccines do.  A few people have bad reactions.  There are multiple different types of vaccine for Covid used all over the world.  They are not equally risky.

    Is the MRNA "vaccine" that they developed in a rush killing more people than yellow fever or measles vaccines do.  They seem to be, yes.  Well over 2 billion people have been vaccinated.  If one in 50,000 died that would be over 40,000 deaths.  Do I believe it is that many, yes, there are alot of adverse reactions.  40,000 to 100,000 I believe.  This is a lot compared to the healthy people who died of Covid.  Most people who died of Covid were old and comorbid.

    Does that mean there are long term negative health effects of the vaccines which will kill millions?  I don't know that.  It is a reasonable postulation but there is no rock solid evidence of the long term health effects.  It might turn out that the vaccines were more dangerous than a regular vaccine but the death toll is hand waived away because of the emergency nature.

    My instinct says that the vaccine will likely have long term health effects.  But I can't confirm this until time has passed

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #36 on: January 20, 2022, 06:55:01 PM »
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  • Is the "vaccine" killing some people.  Yes, all vaccines do.  A few people have bad reactions.  There are multiple different types of vaccine for Covid used all over the world.  They are not equally risky.

    Is the MRNA "vaccine" that they developed in a rush killing more people than yellow fever or measles vaccines do.  They seem to be, yes.  Well over 2 billion people have been vaccinated.  If one in 50,000 died that would be over 40,000 deaths.  Do I believe it is that many, yes, there are alot of adverse reactions.  40,000 to 100,000 I believe.  This is a lot compared to the healthy people who died of Covid.  Most people who died of Covid were old and comorbid.

    Does that mean there are long term negative health effects of the vaccines which will kill millions?  I don't know that.  It is a reasonable postulation but there is no rock solid evidence of the long term health effects.  It might turn out that the vaccines were more dangerous than a regular vaccine but the death toll is hand waived away because of the emergency nature.

    My instinct says that the vaccine will likely have long term health effects.  But I can't confirm this until time has passed

    Yes, Tallin, its just another vaccine.  Nothing to see here.  :facepalm:

    "A few people have had bad reactions."  Um, over 1 million reported on te VAERS, and that's with most hospitals being prevented from reporting to it.

    The death toll from the experimental gene serum exceeded all deaths from all vaccines combined in just the first few months.

    Myocarditis, heart attacks, strokes, Bell's Palsy, and blood clots are now commonplace in children which were rare (practically unknown) occurrences a year ago.

    In other words, we don't need to wait and see about long term adverse events: We're having short term consequences all over the planet right now.

    But this is all just more prevaricating on your part: Harmfullness/non-harmfulness of the jab was not even one of the poll options.

    After several posts, you still refuse to answer the poll question, or explain why any of the options given as potential concerns for courting couples should not be relevant.

    Instead, you continue to invent arguments and reasons why that question should not be asked.

    So I'll get you back on track and ask you specific questions from the poll:

    Tallin: Do you believe it is important for courting couples to share the same morals?  If not, why not?

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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #37 on: January 20, 2022, 07:23:05 PM »
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  • Yes, Tallin, its just another vaccine.  Nothing to see here.  :facepalm:


    Tallinn is right. The difference is just quantity. Earlier vaccines have used HEK123 (or whatever), earlier vaccines have killed or disabled people or caused "autoimmune diseases" or whatever else. New is: many more deaths and adverse effects, but still too few to be really noticeable for the average citizen.
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #38 on: January 20, 2022, 07:25:29 PM »
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  • Mark 79 won't agree, but what's happening here is not new. It's the common slaughter of the medical industrial complex, as has been going on for decades, now somewhat boostered.
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #39 on: January 20, 2022, 07:29:04 PM »
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  • Vax status is pertinent IF there are long term effects from the vaccine
    Am I on Tumblr or CathInfo here?

    Good thread Sean, but I'd add an "Yes: All of the above" option. Obviously they have different weights but I think most would pick that option.

    Also I will definitely not give the okay for any non-pureblood marriages with my children.
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #40 on: January 20, 2022, 07:35:21 PM »
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  • SeanJohnson, did you cancel your health insurance coverage, to not support the crimes going on? I did 20 years ago. And did you destroy at least one vaccination center, or one ICU bed today, or only some 5G installations?
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #42 on: January 20, 2022, 08:13:29 PM »
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  • Tallin: Do you believe it is important for courting couples to share the same morals?  If not, why not?

    Still waiting for answer to this^^^^

    Marion is free to answer as well😀
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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #43 on: January 20, 2022, 08:57:26 PM »
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  • Tallin: Do you believe it is important for courting couples to share the same morals?  If not, why not?
    Still waiting for answer to this^^^^

    Marion is free to answer as well

    I think you're right caring about the courting of your kids. I think it's your right and your duty.


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    Re: Is Vax Status Relevant to Trad Courting?
    « Reply #44 on: January 20, 2022, 09:13:47 PM »
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  • Still waiting for answer to this^^^^

    Marion is free to answer as well


    I think you're right caring about the courting of your kids. I think it's your right and your duty.


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