Author Topic: Is there any teaching or sermons against sodomy and adultery? (Read 1757 times)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **on:** June 17, 2018, 11:33:00 AM »

Has there been clergy from SSPX discussing sex abuse within the Church?

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2018, 04:57:52 AM »

I don't know about the SSPx but the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Churchhas this to say;

92. What are the principal sins against chastity?
2351-2359
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Grave sins against chastity differ according to their object: adultery, masturbation, fornication, pornography, prostitution, rape, and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts. These sins are expressions of the vice of lust. These kinds of acts committed against the physical and moral integrity of minors become even more grave.

502. What are the offenses against the dignity of marriage?
2380-2391
2400
These are: adultery, divorce, polygamy, incest, free unions (cohabitation, concubinage), and sɛҳuąƖ acts before or outside of marriage.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/docuмents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20Ten%20Commandments

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2018, 10:18:38 PM »

Thank you, Poche.

Smedley Butler · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2018, 12:43:00 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 17, 2018, 11:33:00 AM

Has there been clergy from SSPX discussing sex abuse within the Church?

Are you kidding?
There was a film made about it, and they did not comment.

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2018, 11:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Smedley Butler on June 21, 2018, 12:43:00 PM

Are you kidding?
There was a film made about it, and they did not comment.

Jesus had a comment about that situation. He said that it would be better for the abuser to have a millstone tied around his neck and be thrown into the sea.

Smedley Butler · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2018, 10:16:51 AM »

Yes.

The SSPX chose to defy Our Lord and is hiding those priests in the Swiss Alps, rather than tossing them into the sea.

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2018, 10:46:28 PM »

Quote from: Smedley Butler on June 22, 2018, 10:16:51 AM

Yes.

The SSPX chose to defy Our Lord and is hiding those priests in the Swiss Alps, rather than tossing them into the sea.

I think there has been enough scandal to go around for everybody. Sometimes the less said the better.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2018, 03:59:16 AM »

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Sometimes it's better for scandal to be exposed rather than to pretend it doesn't exist!
Did the hew and cry over the manifest deviancy of JPII slow down his so-called canonization? NO WAY!
So apparently this is the kind of GARBAGE that you get when the Vatican pretends scandal doesn't exist.
We get a so-called saint who everyone knows was at best remiss and at worst a pervert himself.
But in any event, moral deviancy and sainthood are equated and ambiguity reigns supreme.
This is when poche and his ilk can rejoice in their achievement: making way for Antichrist!
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https://www.thenation.com/article/shame-john-paul-ii-how-sex-abuse-scandal-stained-his-papacy/
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The Shame of John Paul II: How the Sex Abuse Scandal Stained His Papacy
The pope failed to take decisive action in response to clear evidence of a criminal underground in the priesthood.
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By Jason Berry
APRIL 27, 2011
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The Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute assisted in a section of this article, drawn from Jason Berry’s Render Unto Rome: The Secret Life of Money in the Catholic Church, to be published June 7 by Crown.
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On May 1, Pope Benedict XVI will beatify his predecessor, John Paul II, at a huge ceremony in St. Peter’s Square in Rome. Beatification, the final step before canonization, or sainthood, ennobles the deceased as “blessed,” or worthy of veneration. Authorities have prepared for a million visitors to the weekend events.
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Most beatification cases are decided decades after the person dies—a sign of Vatican probity on whether a life achievement, nominated by religious colleagues, merits a path to sainthood. The timetable is at the pope’s discretion. In this case, Benedict’s decision to fast-track John Paul’s case has drawn a chorus of criticism from prominent Catholics and survivors of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by clergy.
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Should a pope who turned his back on the worst crisis in modern Catholic history be exalted as a saint? Lawsuits by victims, numerous prosecutions and news coverage of bishops who enabled abuse are the shadow story of John Paul’s twenty-six-year pontificate, during which time he responded to continuing allegations of clergy abuse with denial and inertia. American dioceses and religious orders alone have spent nearly $2 billion on legal actions and treatment of sex offenders, an aching scandal at incalculable cost to the church’s stature.
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John Paul II has been widely hailed as a commanding figure on the global stage, a catalyst in the fall of Soviet Communism and a champion of human rights. His stirring homilies on freedom in his first papal trip back to Poland in 1979 galvanized the Solidarity union movement. On his 1987 trip to Chile, during the Pinochet dictatorship, John Paul said Mass for a vast throng and “presented speaker after speaker who complained of censorship, torture, and political murder,” wrote Jonathan Kwitny in his 1997 biography Man of the Century. John Paul’s trip was a turning point in Chile’s transition to democracy. On the other hand, the pope looked askance at liberation theology, believing the Latin American grassroots movement to be an extension of the Marxism that had subjugated Poland. And he was conflicted on the role of progressive Latin American clergy who were allied with the poor and resisted persecution by death squads.
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Moreover, on the greatest internal crisis facing the church, the pope failed, time and again, to take decisive action in response to clear evidence of a criminal underground in the priesthood, a subculture that sɛҳuąƖly traumatized tens of thousands of youngsters. Despite a 1984 warning memo from the Rev. Thomas Doyle, then a canon lawyer in the Vatican Embassy in Washington, and a ninety-three-page report on the problem co-written by Doyle in 1985, which was sent to every American bishop, John Paul ordered no outreach to victims, no binding policy to rid the priesthood of deviants. In 1989 the US conference of bishops sent experts in canon law to Rome, seeking a streamlined process for defrocking child molesters rather than waiting for the byzantine Vatican bureaucracy and final word from the pope. John Paul refused. Litigation and prosecutions spread, but the pope remained passive.
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As victim-survivors found their way to lawyers, a train of legal discovery in the United States, Ireland and other countries yielded docuмents linking complicit bishops, religious-order superiors and Vatican officials in the concealment of sex offenders. On April 21 in an important lawsuit against the Vatican by a man who was abused by a predator priest, a federal district court in Portland, Oregon, ordered church officials in Rome to turn over docuмents for discovery. District Judge Michael Mosman said, “Plaintiff has proffered evidence that tends to show the Holy See knew of [the priest’s] propensities and that in some cases, the Holy See exercised direct control over the conduct, placement, and removal of individual priests accused of similar sɛҳuąƖ misconduct.” The US Supreme Court declined to hear the Holy See’s appeal for dismissal, which was based on a claim of sovereign immunity.
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On John Paul’s role in the church’s long nightmare, the Rev. Richard McBrien, a distinguished University of Notre Dame theologian, wrote, “Indeed, he had a terrible record, full of denial and foot-dragging, on the greatest crisis to confront the Catholic Church since the Reformation of the 16th century.”
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John Paul’s beatification may give a media boost to the Vatican, but Pope Benedict’s negligence earlier in his career has also done severe damage to the papacy; media coverage last year spotlighted how Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Benedict was then known, failed to dismiss several known abusers. How can any pope be a voice for peace, proclaim the sanctity of life and speak for human rights while giving de facto Vatican immunity to bishops and cardinals who concealed child molesters? John Paul bequeathed a quagmire to Benedict: an archaic tradition of Vatican tribunals subservient to bishops and high church officials.
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(Goes on for 3 more pages like the one above...)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2018, 11:20:26 AM »

Pseudo saints to promote sodomity and other evil fruits of Vatican II.

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2018, 10:51:09 PM »

From Pope Paul VI:

At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of the Magisterium and to the moral sense of the Christian people.

A distinction is drawn, and it seems with some reason, between ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs whose tendency comes from a false education, from a lack of normal sɛҳuąƖ development, from habit, from bad example, or from other similar causes, and is transitory or at least not incurable; and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who are definitively such because of some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable.

In regard to this second category of subjects, some people conclude that their tendency is so natural that it justifies in their case ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relations within a sincere communion of life and love analogous to marriage, in so far as such ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs feel incapable of enduring a solitary life.

In the pastoral field, these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God.[18] This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19751229_persona-humana_en.html

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Viva Cristo Rey

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