It's amazing to me that so-called "Trads" can accuse a Traditional Catholic Bishop of "heresy" for merely repeating what Archbishop Lefebvre said, but they can't admit that the modernists in Rome are heretics. Such people are liberals, pure liberals.

How can anyone who knows better think that the modernists in Rome are not heretics. Anyway I think they are heretics, though unlike some, my days as a traditional Catholic were started by reading all about the conciliar heresies on MHFM and other traditional Catholic websites. Let us hope that those who don't think the modernists are heretics just don't know better and are not bad-willed.

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His nephew asked that he not come, as they had look-outs for him, and Fr Hewko respected his nephew's request.

How sad for the nephew to say something like that.  I guess it shows which side of the fence he is on.

Marsha

I guess the young priest has a lot to prove.  Having an uncle like Fr Hewko might place him under suspicion of thought crime, so he has to make sure he is seen to be nothing like his errant uncle.

MHFM is traditional?

That's funny. The Dimond brothers are deluded self righteous morons.

MHFM is traditional?

That's funny. The Dimond brothers are deluded self righteous morons.

Though I don't agree with them on a lot of things, their site was the first traditional Catholic site I saw (and I think it is the traditional Catholic website with the largest audience) so I have a debt due to them for opening my eyes. They are traditional Catholic even though they are wrong, as is Richard Ibranyi, and David Landry and a lot of other people with strange ideas like Griff Ruby and Hutton Gibson and Gerry Matatics and others all of whom are traditional Catholics. I would define traditional Catholics as those who claim to be Catholic while rejecting the New Mass and Vatican II. It is a larger movement than just the SSPX and the CMRI and in it there are a lot of weirdos as well as normal people.

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MHFM is traditional?

That's funny. The Dimond brothers are deluded self righteous morons.

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You might have posted that in the wrong thread!

No, scroll back up the thread to Matto's first post on this thread. (MHFM = Most Holy Family Monastery, run by the Dimond Bros)

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His nephew asked that he not come, as they had look-outs for him, and Fr Hewko respected his nephew's request.

How sad for the nephew to say something like that.  I guess it shows which side of the fence he is on.

Marsha

No, we can't say at this point that it shows which side of the fence he is on.

Perhaps it was in some way relayed to the nephew that his ordination would be in jeopardy if Fr. Hewko came. Why take that chance after all the years of formation? Once he had been ordained, then he could show his colors.

Not according to His Eagerness B. Fellay, who [Candlemas 2012] said that
any priest who harbors an intention to change loyalties after he's ordained
would lose any supplied jurisdiction and would not be able to give valid
absolution in the Confessional.  -- Which is ANOTHER example of H.E.'s lies.

After all, we know from last year that Menzingen would not be above such a tactic. Obviously, from the squad car at the entrance to the grounds, they were prepared for a showdown, if it came to that. I think, given the circuмstances, that quite possibly Fr. Hewko and his nephew decided jointly not to make such a confrontation the focal point of this year's ordination, for the sake of all concerned.

You seem to imply that making a 'confrontation' was EVER a thought
or any kind of option.  Fr. Hewko was much more likely to be concerned
as to how NOT to make any confrontation by his attendance at his own
nephew's ordination.  His desire would have ALWAYS been to be there
for his nephew, and to show his moral support for his big day, and to
congratulate him along with everyone else.  The aspect of 'confrontation'
is ENTIRELY due to how the Menzingen-denizens have been attempting
to enforce any manner of CHANGE in traditional attitudes, deportment,
procedure, way of thinking, outlook, intention ---------- you NAME it!

Hugh Ross Williamson has a comment to the point of the sheer stupidity
of even thinking the activities in Winona constitute ordinations, or even confer
any powers to consecrate or forgive sins. Recall, firstly, that it is official new SSPX
position that SSPX "priests" get there "mission" from the local Novus Ordo
Bishops. This was elucidated by none other than Fr. LeRoux at last years Auriesville pilgrimage,
and was confirmed again recently in St Mary's in Kansas.
    Secondly, recall that  Bishop Fellay gave his oath to Rat inger and the roman
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that he, Fellay, personally  and for the Society,
accepts  all the heresies of the Second Vatican Council, they accept the new sacraments, they accept the appointment of Pres by ters, and many other horrific modernist ideas.
    Of course, Fellay swore loyalty and obedience to Ratzinger ( and therefore brogoglio ),
And to all the teachings of Ratzinger, Paul VI, John XXIII and JPII .
    So now we come to Winona 2013. Not at all the same seminary founded
By Archbishop Lefebvre in the 1970's and moved from Armada, Michigan and then again from
Ridgefield,Connecticut. Never before had the SSPX ever publicly asserted its union with heretics!
    So. Hugh Ross Williamson wonders, in the Septdmber, 1989 issue of Catholic :
"What possible theory of Order, in the Catholic sense, can apply to such a body, denying the full
Christian faith, denying the sacraments , denying the priesthood and denying the Apostolic Ministry? It is a redcutio ad absurdum without parallel in Christian history that a "Bishop", who is officially not allowed to believe he is a Bishop, should ordain a pres by ter, who is
officially not allowed to believe he is a priest, to administer a sacrament which ( his Bishop Fellay has now agreed with the Novus Ordo ) is officially not a sacrifice, is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church in which he is officially not allowed to believe (is  either One, Catholic or Apostolic)."

I wonder what Hugh Ross Williamson would ssy to these traitors in Menzingen today?Saveoursspxdotcom