Author Topic: Interesting occurrence at ICC Post Falls last week (Read 8511 times)

waugh · « **Reply #30 on:** June 24, 2013, 11:50:09 PM »

So you are saying you heard his conversation and deemed it to be not important? You are making a judgement of the priest's intent that is well beyond your incomplete knowledge of the nature of the phone call.

A cross bearer does not make or break a sacrament. Get real on that one.... totally nothing to do with your point of a priest not being available for you and your family for confessions.

To say the priests "drop everything, without making any accommodation for their absence, when the 'whim' to go on vacation comes up" borders on calumny. These priests are on duty 7 days a week. Any vacation time they take has to be approved by their superior in advance. Often the priests have other visiting priests to fill in while they are on vacation. Obviously there would be a difficulty on the weekend of ordinations. These priests work tirelessly for the parish, and receive almost no earthly recompense (except for of course, the false and cowardly accusations from the very faithful they serve.)

The Sunday confessions have never been announced in the bulletin but have been going on for years, very regularly in the past 2 years. Right now there are none in bulletin, but often on Friday morning confessions are offered. The school children all have opportunities for confession, also not in the bulletin. The times I have been at the Carmel, a priest is usually available, when asked for confession at daily mass.

Take a look back at your strong words and see how your vitriol seems to color every action you see done by these good priests. The same priests who bring the sacraments for you and your family. It is a sad testament to what is wrong with this spirit invading the parish. I hope on that day you will truly need them, God will provide those priests to hear your final confession whom you so publicly condemn on this forum.
Did you hear Father's sermon on Charity Sunday.... it was a good one.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #31 on:** June 25, 2013, 12:32:12 AM »

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Well that certainly settles it then.

A) The 6 (six) priests of ICC PFID can do no wrong.
Whatever they come up with must be all-good and
deserving of all our charity.

B) There have been no mistakes, therefore, and the
cross-bearer has absolutely nothing to do with it (or
even if it did, it's okay because of A) above).

C) There is no problem and/or it is YOU claiming that
there is a problem which is the only problem.

When the day arrives and you walk into ICC to find a
new arrangement of furniture in the sanctuary, please
don't bother coming back to CI to say you're sorry
and you should have paid attention. Your chance is
now, and if you just can't manage to scrape a little
gumption together to sit up straight and take notice
when the clear signs of trouble rear their ugly heads,
then what you get is what you get.

Get used to the idea of change, because there is
PLENTY more where that came from.

Just wait till the diocese bishop gets his nose in your
bulletin. That should be a lot of fun.

Frances · « **Reply #32 on:** June 25, 2013, 01:33:21 AM »

:scratchchin:
Hmmmmm...
It seems there is some rash judgment and presumption on both "sides."
While it IS disconcerting to find oneself ignored by the "priest on the phone," is this a one-time-event, or is it policy? Did anyone ask the "guilty" priest? I would.
If it is now the norm, then there is a serious problem. Your chapel has become just like the novus ordo where one is hard pressed to find a priest to hear confessions. In fact, most of them don't believe they have the power to grant absolution-which means they don't! The problem in my case is not the priest's fault. He has sufficient time--just--to get to his next Mass. That is assuming he doesn't hit traffic, bad weather, or make a restroom stop or buy gas en-route--but why should one argue over it? Griping on CI won't solve the problem.

Zeitun · « **Reply #33 on:** June 25, 2013, 01:51:13 AM »

Frances,

ICC has half a dozen priests stationed there so they can't really use the excuse of nobody was available. It's probably another one of their mismanagement issues. Like a "who's on first" scenario.

Frances · « **Reply #34 on:** June 25, 2013, 02:00:23 AM »

How many priests were present and therefore available to hear Confessions at the time of which you speak? This is not my opinion, just trying to get at the facts. If only one priest was present, the phone call could have been an emergency. Even it this were the case, the priest should have had the courtesy of making a brief explanation and apology, or sent someone to do it instead leaving people standing there.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #35 on:** June 25, 2013, 06:57:55 AM »

Quote from: Frances

How many priests were present and therefore available to hear Confessions at the time of which you speak? This is not my opinion, just trying to get at the facts. If only one priest was present, the phone call could have been an emergency. Even it this were the case, the priest should have had the courtesy of making a brief explanation and apology, or.. sent someone to do it instead leaving people standing there..

-..Or, at least he could take the phone call from inside the
confessional, right? I mean, everyone should be okay with
that, especially since A) The 6 (six) priests of ICC PFID
can do no wrong.. --

Penitent: "Bless me Father, for I have sinned. It's been..."

From behind the screen: "Rrr-innng.. Hello? Oh, hi.. I'm fine..
Hey, hold on a moment.. Excuse me, this is an emergency.
I'll be right back. Don't go away, okay?"

Penitent: "Uuuhh..."

I mean, even while you're listening to your favorite talk show,
they have commercial breaks, right? So what's the problem?

Are you afraid you'd forget what your sins are?

BTW that's what would happen to me:

From behind the screen: "Okay. I'm back. Now, where were
we?"

Penitent (me): "As I was saying, bless me, Father for I have
sinned, and now I can't remember what it was I was going to
confess. You see, I'm too easily distracted, and I've never
had the experience of my confessor taking a phone call when
I've already started my confession. I'm trying to think of what
I was going to say, and all I can come up with is: 'What am I
going to do when he has to take another phone call'?..."

Rrr-innnng [this time it's my own cell phone ringing] "Hello? Oh,
hi.. I'm fine.. Hey, hold on a moment.. Excuse me, Father, this
is an emergency. I'll be right back. Don't go away, okay?..."

Frances · « **Reply #36 on:** June 25, 2013, 11:51:46 AM »

:dancing-banana:
Neil- You're being silly, right? Do you know of ANY priest who takes calls while hearing a confession? Come now!
Frances
:dancing:

MyrnaM · « **Reply #37 on:** June 25, 2013, 12:17:28 PM »

:pray:Well you can always drive over to Mount St. Michael, so far our priest are there in the confessional when they say they will be there. I pray that will not ever change.

Just 30 minutes from ICC

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #38 on:** June 25, 2013, 12:46:04 PM »

It would have been much less conspicuous if the priest would just text while hearing Confessions...

The penitent would probably just assume the priest was tapping his fingers in sorrow.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #39 on:** June 25, 2013, 01:37:05 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

It would have been much less conspicuous if the priest would just text while hearing Confessions...

The penitent would probably just assume the priest was tapping his fingers in sorrow.

I wpuldnt be surprised to learn of NO priests doing this.

Frances · « **Reply #40 on:** June 25, 2013, 02:50:16 PM »

Speaking of phones and Confession...I once had the supreme embarrassment of having accidentally carried my phone into Mass. Three guesses as to where I was when my mother's ring tone, Frank Sinatra singing "My Way," came through loud and clear? By the time I located the phone through multiple layers of winter clothing and turned it off, I forgot my sins. The particular priest is presently an Accordista, but he didn't scold or kick me out. He mildly suggested I go to the end of the line and try again. "Take-two" proceeded normally. Being Catholic less than a year and a bit clueless as to Confession etiquette, I later apologized in person, since I knew that Fr. knew me. His response, "What phone?"

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #41 on:** June 25, 2013, 04:32:36 PM »

Let's hope the OP monitors the situation. Maybe this was just a busy weekend for the priests at ICC.

ardevain1 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 25, 2013, 05:52:47 PM »

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It certainly sounds to me that you're quite eager to soak up the
propaganda of the Menzingen-denizens already, so you're a prime
candidate for being sucked into the new orientation, which will no doubt
catch you by surprise. You will, if you persist, be BLIND-SIDED with the
news that your pleasant little chapel is going to be having the Novus Ordo
once a week, and you'll be just fine with that.

I appreciate that some might think that others are not as aware about what is going on as they are, but it is not the case.

The very pretty church here in Oregon is not to be considered a safe haven, by any means. There is no longer any warning from the pulpit about how bad the Novus Ordo is for the Faith, or how big a disaster Vatican II was in the history of the Church.

While I have always stayed out of the internal politics of the SSPX, I have always acknowledged that politics is how they run it. I have heard from the mouths of four different Priests that they left the SSPX because of Fr. Peter Scott's inept leadership. I was around when the "Nine" left (actually kicked out of the SSPX by the holy Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre). And now I see the SSPX being dragged down the rough and rocky road by Bishop Fellay. I am not a member of the SSPX, and have refused frequent offers to join the Third Order simply to keep out of it. The SSPX is responsible for taking care of its own problems, and it doesn't seem to be doing very well at it. I will let them fix it themselves, or fail themselves.

I know that many of the priests in the SSPX fear to even speak to each other about what is going on. There's no telling who will report to Menzingen on any expressions of dissatisfaction they may hear.

I do have faith that the Church will continue until the consummation of the world. No such guarantee was ever given to the SSPX

¡Viva Christo Rey!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #43 on:** June 26, 2013, 12:16:57 AM »

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Thanks for the reply, ardevain1!

Quote from: ardevain1

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It certainly sounds to me that you're quite eager to soak up the
propaganda of the Menzingen-denizens already, so you're a prime
candidate for being sucked into the new orientation, which will no doubt
catch you by surprise. You will, if you persist, be BLIND-SIDED with the
news that your pleasant little chapel is going to be having the Novus Ordo
once a week, and you'll be just fine with that.

I appreciate that some might think that others are not as aware about what is going on as they are, but it is not the case.

The very pretty church here in Oregon is not to be considered a safe haven, by any means. There is no longer any warning from the pulpit about how bad the Novus Ordo is for the Faith, or how big a disaster Vatican II was in the history of the Church.

While I have always stayed out of the internal politics of the SSPX, I have always acknowledged that politics is how they run it. I have heard from the mouths of four different Priests that they left the SSPX because of Fr. Peter Scott's inept leadership. I was around when the "Nine" left (actually kicked out of the SSPX by the holy Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre). And now I see the SSPX being dragged down the rough and rocky road by Bishop Fellay. I am not a member of the SSPX, and have refused frequent offers to join the Third Order simply to keep out of it. The SSPX is responsible for taking care of its own problems, and it doesn't seem to be doing very well at it. I will let them fix it themselves, or fail themselves.

You're a lot better off than I had figured. I take it all back!

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I know that many of the priests in the SSPX fear to even speak to each other about what is going on. There's no telling who will report to Menzingen on any expressions of dissatisfaction they may hear.

I do have faith that the Church will continue until the consummation of the world. No such guarantee was ever given to the SSPX

¡Viva Cristo Rey!

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Yes, there is a reward system in place that gives out incentives like
Halloween candy for dirty secrets so they can build a 'case' against
each and every Society priest. Everyone has a 'file'. I wonder how
many 'files' there are on +Fellay?

Anyway, I appreciate your resolve. There's no point in getting too
worked up about this because too much emotion scares everyone off.
Yours is a welcome outlook. And I thank you.

¡Viva!