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Offline Mr G

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Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
« on: November 17, 2017, 04:09:28 PM »
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  • From http://tradidi.com/resistance/is-sspx-prelature-close

    Source : GloriaTV

    Translation: Samuel Loeman

    "While the prelature will add little extra to these bad principles which have already been advanced and imposed, the general reaction will not be based on a question of principles, since these have already been abandoned long ago, but rather on a matter of practical interest."


    Bishop Fellay has just made a fairly discreet tour of France, visiting the different traditional communities of France. We didn't get wind of all his words but in general we know that he firmly stands by his position that the current Pope wants our good.

    These kinds of tours are usually to prepare minds: no grand public speeches or stormy conferences but rather speeches greasing up the local authorities in order to reassure them of the sincerity of their fighting dispositions, but at the same time words that are sufficiently vague and evasive to start opening minds to the idea of a certain upcoming event.

    The last bastion that resisted the policy of Menzingen (the general house of the SSPX) was France, but Rome now understands that most of the French priests and faithful will just follow the SSPX's superiors, no matter what happens next. The quantitative success of the recent Fatima pilgrimage in August, a very good turnout of seminarians in Flavigny, a well attended pilgrimage in Lourdes despite the reaction of the deans, these are all positive signs that the policy of Bishop Fellay can be carried out to its final end without much damage or danger.

    Proof:

    The marriage issue has been a good test for Rome and Menzingen. For a few weeks the reaction was quite lively but now it seems that everything is back under control (including and especially in France) since even those who did initially react have now accepted their sanctions. That was the first successful test.

    Another test:

    The other Roman test was Bishop Fellay's signing of the Correctio [Filialis]. One person commented on this forum that this signature ratified the acceptance of the council in the sense of the hermeneutics of continuity so dear to Benedict XVI. And again, no reaction. Even a Fr. de Jorna [rector of the SSPX seminary in Switzerland] (who did react back then against this famous hermeneutic) no longer flinches. This was the second successful test.

    Minds seem ready now for a prelature.

    Even if the announcement of a prelature will make the ones on the inside (but not the Resistance fighters) shudder because they had drawn this line in the sand to leave their congregation, their tacit acceptance of all these past reforms will inevitably catch up with them. In all those who did not really react when it was easy and possible, there is now an inevitable spirit of wait and see what this phenomenon of a "prelature" will bring. There will surely be a lot of ink, words, maybe some annoyances, but they will find themselves in the same situation as in 2012 with the serious and false decisions of the [general] chapter, and in 2013 with the mock lawsuits, and in 2014 with the address to the faithful, and in 2015 with the recognition of confessions within the conciliar framework, and in 2017 with the marriage issue etc. While the prelature will add little extra to these bad principles which have already been advanced and imposed, the general reaction will not be based on a question of principles, since these have already been abandoned long ago, but rather on a matter of practical interest.

    But the practical interest will be the same as these past years: it will be easier in practice to follow (while dragging their feet of course) the new reform rather than to resolve not to follow it.

    Since almost all the faithful and priests of the district of France have resolved to remain in the administrative framework of the SSPX without morally or materially helping or supporting the handful of priests and faithful who did manage to escape, there will be no additional reason to leave this framework and to consider the reconstruction of another one.

    This observation is certainly sad but unstoppable now. And Rome knows it.
    That is why Rome and Menzingen have no fear of having to complete the process of canonical recognition within a time frame that can be short enough now. Maybe the prelature is near, but the setting is certainly ripe for it.

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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 07:32:58 PM »
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2017, 05:43:06 PM »
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    I expect there will be a lot more concern for the arrival of a prelature once it has already happened than there has been in anticipation of it happening soon.
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    Especially among Catholics who do not often go to SSPX Masses but have long been accustomed to having the option of going maybe once or twice a year.
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    At least, that's the way it is in my small corner of the world. I've already been rather bewildered to see how many otherwise unassotiated Catholics don't seem to feel any danger or threat of harm in a future merger with Newrome.
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2017, 06:13:24 PM »
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    I expect there will be a lot more concern for the arrival of a prelature once it has already happened than there has been in anticipation of it happening soon.
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    Especially among Catholics who do not often go to SSPX Masses but have long been accustomed to having the option of going maybe once or twice a year.
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    At least, that's the way it is in my small corner of the world. I've already been rather bewildered to see how many otherwise unassotiated Catholics don't seem to feel any danger or threat of harm in a future merger with Newrome.
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    We know that the situation cannot stay static forever and some of us will lose access to the sacraments. Nothing opposes the revolution in any way which can stop the dissolution of any group which joins itself to the false church as the SSPX is almost certain to do in the future.
    Many who have gone along will simply continue to go along.

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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2017, 06:45:34 PM »
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  • Bishop Felley signing the Correctio filialis put an end to any prospect of a personal prelature with this ill-tempered, petty and vindictive occupant of the Chair of Peter. It is not some sort of Conciliar, hermeneutic of continuity assimilation. PF doesn't remotely tolerate respectful dissent, which JP2 and Benedict endured to the detriment of faithful Catholics, and their fitful efforts at restoration.


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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #5 on: November 18, 2017, 07:43:51 PM »
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  • Bishop Felley Fillet signing the Correctio filialis put an end to any prospect of a personal prelature with this ill-tempered, petty and vindictive occupant of the Chair of Peter. It is not some sort of Conciliar, hermeneutic of continuity assimilation. PF doesn't remotely tolerate respectful dissent, which JP2 and Benedict endured to the detriment of faithful Catholics, and their fitful efforts at restoration.
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    You've been watching too many videos like this one:
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 08:21:45 PM »
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    I hope you don't mind me playing with the pixels, JPaul.........
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    not-a-quote:
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    I expect there will be a lot more concern for the arrival of a prelature once it has already happened than there has been in anticipation of it happening soon.
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    Many who have gone along will simply continue to go along.
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    Especially among Catholics who do not often go to SSPX Masses but have long been accustomed to having the option of going maybe once or twice a year.
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    We know that the situation cannot stay static forever and some of us will lose access to the sacraments. 
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    I've already been rather bewildered to see how many otherwise unassociated Catholics don't seem to feel any danger or threat of harm in a future merger with Newrome;  at least, that's the way it is in my small corner of the world.
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    Nothing opposes the revolution in any way which can stop the dissolution of any group which joins itself to the false church as the SSPX is almost certain to do in the future.
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    And if we squish it all up it looks like this:
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    I expect there will be a lot more concern for the arrival of a prelature once it has already happened than there has been in anticipation of it happening soon. Many who have gone along will simply continue to go along. Especially among Catholics who do not often go to SSPX Masses but have long been accustomed to having the option of going maybe once or twice a year. We know that the situation cannot stay static forever and some of us will lose access to the sacraments. I've already been rather bewildered to see how many otherwise unassociated Catholics don't seem to feel any danger or threat of harm in a future merger with Newrome;  at least, that's the way it is in my small corner of the world. Nothing opposes the revolution in any way which can stop the dissolution of any group which joins itself to the false church as the SSPX is almost certain to do in the future.
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    Hmmm... Not quite working out the way I thought it would. Sorry.
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 09:46:34 PM »
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  • Bishop Felley signing the Correctio filialis put an end to any prospect of a personal prelature with this ill-tempered, petty and vindictive occupant of the Chair of Peter. It is not some sort of Conciliar, hermeneutic of continuity assimilation. PF doesn't remotely tolerate respectful dissent, which JP2 and Benedict endured to the detriment of faithful Catholics, and their fitful efforts at restoration.

    I initially thought that Rome had ambushed Menzingen after they had made concessions and put them in a corner.

    But maybe Bp. Fellay's "me-too" signature on Correctio filialis, was just a staged protest for the conservative media?

    I like this more penetrating analysis that Menzingen and Rome have done their theatrical dance and tested the waters.
    They both sense the SSPX's conservatives are neutralized and the time is right for Prelature.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 09:55:35 PM »
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  • I initially thought that Rome had ambushed Menzingen after they had made concessions and put them in a corner.

    But maybe Bp. Fellay's "me-too" signature on Correctio filialis, was just a staged protest for the conservative media?

    I like this more penetrating analysis that Menzingen and Rome have done their theatrical dance and tested the waters.

    They both sense the SSPX's conservatives are neutralized and the time is right for Prelature.
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    Arise, awaken, conservative SSPXers....  Exurge!
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    If I recall correctly, the last time they expected to make a "practical agreement" suddenly +W gave an interview to a certain Scandinavian journalist ...............
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 08:12:25 PM »
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  • O Little town of Menzingen,
    I see that you still lie,
    Can’t you see what you will reap
    When Jdgment Day is nigh?
    In the secret councils that see ne’er truth or light,
    The hope and dreams of apostate Rome will seal your fate tonight.

    O rise up all you PXers,
    And join the Resistance fight,
    Tis better to have Faith sans Mass,
    Unlike ECD communities,
    Who have long giv’n up the fight.

    For Frank is spawned from Beelzebub,
    A punishment from God.
    Krampus will visit Frankie dear,
    And save not twitch or rod.
    So in the coming Yuletide
    The blest Nativity,
    Pray that we might all be spared
    From more Frankish apostasy.

    (With the cold and snow entrenched aleady in northern Alberta, the blessed seasons feel closer than they are. 8))

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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #10 on: November 19, 2017, 09:32:53 PM »
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  • Menzingen, 

    Home of the blinded leaders...


    Who follow the blind... and lead the flock to perdition.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #11 on: November 19, 2017, 10:49:49 PM »
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  • N.O.:
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    Arise, awaken, conservative SSPXers....  Exurge!

    Forget it.  We've witnessed up close and personal in a very large sspx chapel the amount of scandal and abuse from above which the average sspxer will tolerate.  As I've written several times before, if you give these people their liturgical bells and smells, if you provide "valid" priests and "valid" sacraments, you'll keep most of these folks on the ranch into the indeterminate future.  Though Frank is obviously an anti-pope, it makes little or no difference.  Even if his successor turns out to be a ham sandwich, I doubt that most sspxers will miss a beat. They'll go on as if nothing has really happened.

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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 08:20:48 AM »
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    You've been watching too many videos like this one:
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    I believe Bergoglio was at Woodstock. Poor blighter. See what too much acid will do to the brain. 🤯
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    Re: Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?
    « Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 09:28:13 AM »
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  • N.O.:
    Forget it.  We've witnessed up close and personal in a very large sspx chapel the amount of scandal and abuse from above which the average sspxer will tolerate.  As I've written several times before, if you give these people their liturgical bells and smells, if you provide "valid" priests and "valid" sacraments, you'll keep most of these folks on the ranch into the indeterminate future.  Though Frank is obviously an anti-pope, it makes little or no difference.  Even if his successor turns out to be a ham sandwich, I doubt that most sspxers will miss a beat. They'll go on as if nothing has really happened.
    Very well said, the fact is that if they were to acknowledge the manifestly questionable status of this "pope", then the whole of thier theology and business model collapses. Most people in the pew are happy to receive the sacraments and have the clerics tell them that things are ok. 

     

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