Author Topic: Is the Novus Ordo the mark of Judas? (Read 1845 times)

Matthew · « **on:** February 06, 2015, 02:55:11 PM »

I received an e-mail from a banned member (John McFarland, whose son is an SSPX priest. He should talk to Mrs. F, who has TWO priest sons in the SSPX, who donated land for the new SSPX seminary, and who currently attends the Indult rather than the SSPX.)

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The efforts I’ve seen to demonstrate liberalism from written or recorded pronouncements of SSPX members ... are rather rare, and based on either the conviction that any dealing with the Novus Ordo is the mark of Judas...

So please bring on the hard evidence.

But please don’t bring up the April 15 Declaration, unless you’re prepared to demonstrate that it’s something other than what it appears to be: a tougher version of the May 5 protocol signed by ABL.

And please don’t bring on GREC, unless you’re prepared to demonstrate how talking to the Novus Ordo is evidence of a desire to sell out, and not evidence of a desire to bring sinners to repentance, like Jesus with the publicans and sinners.

The Novus Ordo is the mark of Judas. If you can't see this, we can't have a conversation.

You admit that they're talking to the "Novus Ordo" rather than the Catholic hierarchy -- something of a Freudian slip there.
Indeed the Novus Ordo (and the corresponding conciliar religion) is intrinsically and fundamentally a sellout to the Modern World. No Catholic, priest, bishop or layman, should have ANY dealings with the "Novus Ordo" and the man-made, Freemasonic religion it represents. Forever for all eternity.

We can never have any discussions -- much less a deal -- with the new conciliar religion. Rome will convert someday, when God allows and arranges for it. Until then, we must be patient, keeping the Faith outside the official structures, as Traditional Catholics have done since 1970.

If it was good for them to be aloof from Modernist Rome in 1971, it's good for us today to be aloof from Modernist Rome in 2015. If anything, Rome is further down the path of apostasy.

All the evidence points to the fact that the Conciliar Church will be the linchpin of the One World Religion which will be the religion of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. The Freemasonic plans for the Church and the world are coming together. As the world enters the days before World War 3, I am not willing to believe that the Freemasons have given up on any of their plans -- their nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr OR their One World Religion.

The fact that the Freemasons infiltrated the Church and basically took it over during Vatican II should be obvious to any thinking man. They won't give it up without a fight. That fight has not taken place yet.

See how the SSPX is making Traditional Catholics -- both priests and laity -- soft on Vatican II, the Novus Ordo, etc.? Who says the SSPX hasn't changed! Their words of late are unrecognizable to me.

Who sounds more like Archbishop Lefebvre -- my post, or the words of an accordista like John McFarland?

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2015, 04:57:27 PM »

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All the evidence points to the fact that the Conciliar Church will be the linchpin of the One World Religion which will be the religion of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

This is so true that even the prophecies talk about the “last persecution” which will come from within the (Conciliar) Church. I heard Malachi Martin (who read the 3rd Secret) on radio once saying that “the day will come when only those thought to be outside the Church will be in it”. That is now very clear with priests being “excommunicated” for refusing to bend the knee to the Novus Ordo while criminal Novus Ordo priests are protected by the Vatican. Not to mention the encyclicals by BXVI (calling for a "true world political authority" with "real teeth") and now Francis.

Wessex · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2015, 05:48:49 PM »

The current SSPX leadership likes to rely on a history of negotiating with Rome and contemplates an inevitable outcome. I have yet to come across an emphatic no to this practice. But I sense a speading up of the process since the 'freeing' of the Mass and the 'lifting' of the excommunications (an event which ALL four bishops praised). We are also beyond the point where a restoration is discussed and dogmatic differences are of major importance. What is left to agree are practical matters of integration. I would suggest that most members are not now hostile to this position and thus have become part of the programme.

The excesses of Bergoglio have not deterred the leadership; they probably convinced them that a resoration of the old church was never going to be possible and a new level of thinking was necessary with new definitions of tradition and the new order. The language used by the Society is going to change and there will be no meeting of minds with hardliners except superficially. Whatever part Rome plays in the affairs of the world, the Society will not want to be at a disadvanttage because of its former association with an old order. It will bury the past if need be.

JPaul · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2015, 07:56:56 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I received an e-mail from a banned member (John McFarland, whose son is an SSPX priest. He should talk to Mrs. F, who has TWO priest sons in the SSPX, who donated land for the new SSPX seminary, and who currently attends the Indult rather than the SSPX.)

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The efforts I’ve seen to demonstrate liberalism from written or recorded pronouncements of SSPX members ... are rather rare, and based on either the conviction that any dealing with the Novus Ordo is the mark of Judas...

So please bring on the hard evidence.

But please don’t bring up the April 15 Declaration, unless you’re prepared to demonstrate that it’s something other than what it appears to be: a tougher version of the May 5 protocol signed by ABL.

And please don’t bring on GREC, unless you’re prepared to demonstrate how talking to the Novus Ordo is evidence of a desire to sell out, and not evidence of a desire to bring sinners to repentance, like Jesus with the publicans and sinners.

The Novus Ordo is the mark of Judas. If you can't see this, we can't have a conversation.

You admit that they're talking to the "Novus Ordo" rather than the Catholic hierarchy -- something of a Freudian slip there.
Indeed the Novus Ordo (and the corresponding conciliar religion) is intrinsically and fundamentally a sellout to the Modern World. No Catholic, priest, bishop or layman, should have ANY dealings with the "Novus Ordo" and the man-made, Freemasonic religion it represents. Forever for all eternity.

We can never have any discussions -- much less a deal -- with the new conciliar religion. Rome will convert someday, when God allows and arranges for it. Until then, we must be patient, keeping the Faith outside the official structures, as Traditional Catholics have done since 1970.

If it was good for them to be aloof from Modernist Rome in 1971, it's good for us today to be aloof from Modernist Rome in 2015. If anything, Rome is further down the path of apostasy.

All the evidence points to the fact that the Conciliar Church will be the linchpin of the One World Religion which will be the religion of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. The Freemasonic plans for the Church and the world are coming together. As the world enters the days before World War 3, I am not willing to believe that the Freemasons have given up on any of their plans -- their nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr OR their One World Religion.

The fact that the Freemasons infiltrated the Church and basically took it over during Vatican II should be obvious to any thinking man. They won't give it up without a fight. That fight has not taken place yet.

See how the SSPX is making Traditional Catholics -- both priests and laity -- soft on Vatican II, the Novus Ordo, etc.? Who says the SSPX hasn't changed! Their words of late are unrecognizable to me.

Who sounds more like Archbishop Lefebvre -- my post, or the words of an accordista like John McFarland?

And please don't bring up that the glass is no longer full, unless you can prove that it is not half full. If you can look at it from the right angle it is surely half full, which demonstrates that the other half was not sold to fill the Judas purse.

Mr. McFarland is a man whose treasure is in the modernizing SSPX, and so he must follow along filling the tires on the old float so that it does not capsize and deposit, his treasure into the filthy streets of conciliarism.

He is happily on his way to Disneyland.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2015, 08:25:34 PM »

So he's claiming that +Fellay is trying to convert the NO hierarchy through the talks. He probably shouldn't hold his breath.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2015, 11:58:33 AM »

So that's what happened to McFarland. He got banned. I'm actually sorry to hear it. Ever the lawyer challenging us always to adduce the "hard evidence."

I wonder if John can ever assemble enough "evidence" to thaw the coldness in my heart towards Fellay's sspx. McFarland feels, I think, that if he can made a solid enough case for the sspx being essentially no different today than it was under the direction of the Archbishop, we would all come flocking back. John, legal arguments can never overcome wholesale disaffection. BTW, I would bring JM back on. He's bright, and kind of fun to spar with.

LKCTexas · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2015, 12:15:08 PM »

What is being discussed in this thread is re-enforced by Eric's latest posting on TradCatKnight regarding the Judas Complex.

http://gloria.tv/media/5C1qQWHFu1v

It is clear the same contagion is working on the Newsociety and even within the Resistance, it gives off the smell of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. We must continue to Resist the errors of our times by our devotion and consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Note the timeline, shortly after the 1517 Protestant revolution, Our Lady of Guadalupe arrives to conquer the Americas, countering the revolution in Europe, then Our Lady of Good Success came and foretold of a great crisis within the Church and across nations; Our Lady of La Salette warned of the consequences of the revolution; Our Lady of Fatima told us the remedy, yet Our Lord did not grant the grace for the churchmen to obey due to the sins of the world - we cannot excuse ourselves either. What we must do is to gather closely to our Mother to make reparation and to prepare to bare the Third Secret of Fatima and Our Lady's crushing the head of Zionism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and their children, Communism, Monopolistic Capitalism, One World Religion of Naturalism.

Who is not with Our Lady shall fall into these errors - any questions?

Deus Vult, Eagles