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Offline chrstnoel1

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Is Sunday Mass obligation fulfilled even wihout a Sermon?
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:13:08 AM »
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  • Is Sunday Mass obligation fulfilled even without a sermon by the priest? Happened this morning. The Mass was a low Mass which lasted about half-hour.
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    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2012, 01:49:43 AM »
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  • Chrstnoel1, I believe it does fulfill the Sunday obligation. I don't think that the sermon is a necessary condition for fulfillment. Sometimes the Confessions before Mass take too long and the priest has to go elsewhere after Mass, or he has a bad throat, or a bad cold .... many reasons. This does not happen normally, as you will agree.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2012, 01:56:47 AM »
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  • Francisco, thanks. Much appreciated.
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
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    Is Sunday Mass obligation fulfilled even wihout a Sermon?
    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2012, 01:59:41 AM »
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  • Traditionally, the sermon is not strictly even part of the Mass. It is a sort of an 'intermission' - signified by the removal of the chasuble. This is pre-1962.

    Nevertheless, even if part of the Mass - as it is in the 1962 Missal - it is not necessary. In any case, if it were, I'm sure the priest would give a quick 30 sec sermon to ensure his congregation need not seek out another Mass for the day.


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    Is Sunday Mass obligation fulfilled even wihout a Sermon?
    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 12:25:41 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that only the Mass of the Faithful is the obligatory part.  

    We used to hear sermons about being late for Mass, and that, if we got there after the Offeratory began, then we were obliged to attend another Mass in order to fulfill our Sunday Obligation.



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    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 12:41:08 PM »
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  • +JMJ+

    Indeed, the Mass of the Catechumens consists of everything up to and including whatever sermon is offered. The sermon is instruction given primarily to those who are still learning the Faith in the most broad and basic senses; further spiritual direction and discipline are the prerogative and privilege of the baptized and confirmed Christian.

    That is not to say, however, that the sermon is not important. It is crucial, especially in this dire time when Tradition is under attack and many will be seeking God and not having Catholic Masses to attend in their area. Every opportunity to speak openly and boldly about our One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and Faith must be seized with zeal and determination to make Our Lord Jesus Christ known and loved and adored.

    On the other hand, even if your traditional parish has short (or even non-existent) sermons, it behooves you as a Christian to relish what you have and seek out as many other chances for instruction and direction as you can. Those who are blessed to have faithful, holy priests to guide them are rich indeed.

    St. John Chrysostom, eloquent preacher of Almighty God's glories, pray for us.

    St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 01:18:55 PM »
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  • Was there a collection though?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2012, 07:29:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
    It is my understanding that only the Mass of the Faithful is the obligatory part.  

    We used to hear sermons about being late for Mass, and that, if we got there after the Offeratory began, then we were obliged to attend another Mass in order to fulfill our Sunday Obligation.



    The good nuns taught us that the obligatory essential parts of the Mass are the Offertory, the Consecration and the Priest's Communion.
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    « Reply #8 on: November 11, 2012, 07:39:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
    It is my understanding that only the Mass of the Faithful is the obligatory part.  

    We used to hear sermons about being late for Mass, and that, if we got there after the Offeratory began, then we were obliged to attend another Mass in order to fulfill our Sunday Obligation.



    The good nuns taught us that the obligatory essential parts of the Mass are the Offertory, the Consecration and the Priest's Communion.


    In the 1950's we were taught if you missed the Gospel....you missed Mass.
    After all Jesus said  "Go and teach all nations" so His word is very important!
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    « Reply #9 on: November 11, 2012, 08:01:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Miseremini
    Quote from: Nadir
    Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
    It is my understanding that only the Mass of the Faithful is the obligatory part.  

    We used to hear sermons about being late for Mass, and that, if we got there after the Offeratory began, then we were obliged to attend another Mass in order to fulfill our Sunday Obligation.



    The good nuns taught us that the obligatory essential parts of the Mass are the Offertory, the Consecration and the Priest's Communion.


    In the 1950's we were taught if you missed the Gospel....you missed Mass.
    After all Jesus said  "Go and teach all nations" so His word is very important!


    It's of course a good idea to always arrive early or at least on time for Mass, but as far as technicalities, M. E. is correct. The Offetory begins when the priest removes the veil from the chalice and you must be there by this point to fulfill your obligation. Once the priests' communion is complete, your obligation has been fulfilled.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2012, 10:09:11 PM »
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  • As noted above, the pre-1962 rubrics didn't require a sermon at low Mass.  The NO rubrics do require a sermon at any Sunday or Holy Day Mass, but if one were omitted it would not interfere with fulfilling one's obligation.
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    « Reply #11 on: November 11, 2012, 11:00:45 PM »
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  • Upto the early sixties, in large churches, sometimes after the priest came onto the main altar to say Mass on Sunday, he would be followed a little later by another priest who proceeded to a side altar to say his Mass. A few of the congregation would then move to that side altar to hear Mass, which would be Low and without a sermon, of course. And there would be no collection ... unless it was still going on when the collection basket was being passed around in the main body of the church.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 01:16:37 AM »
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  • The pewdwellers are not responsible for the celebrant's actions, generally speaking.

    They have their responsibilities and he his own.
     
    The exceptions noted which might preclude a priest from sermonizing seem very reasonable.

    Presuming one regularly makes every effort to arrive early, pray with true devotion and attention throughout the Mass and offers a meaningful thanksgiving after communicating, occasional disruptions in these pious customs, for reasons beyond his control, would likely amount, at most, to light matter, if any, for confession.

    Regularly coming in at the last possible legal instant and making for the exit at the earliest possible moment is another matter altogether.




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    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 04:46:36 PM »
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  • if I miss mass do I have to go make a confession..is it  mortal sin?

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    « Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 07:54:19 PM »
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  • Objectively it is if you do not have a compelling reason.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir