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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2014, 10:19:02 AM »
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    It's interesting to see accusations of "betrayal" hurled from the SSPX when in fact we are seeing the Menzingen leadership betray the mission of ABL by edging ever closer to the very errors from which the Archbishop kept far away.  

    Fr. Pfeiffer gave a sermon recently that is largely all about this topic:
    here (4-24-14 Manchester New Hampshire, Monday in Easter Week).

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    « Reply #31 on: April 30, 2014, 11:24:50 AM »
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  • For the official Novus Ordo-diocesan history of "Saint Benedict's Parish [....] Chesapeake, Virginia 23320", see <http://www.stbenedictschapel.org/>.

    Now a parish in communion with its N.O. diocese, it has the audacity to claim:
    St. Benedict's new church, built from the ground up, is one of the first churches in the world to be designed and used exclusively for the extraordinary form (Latin) of the Holy Mass since the 1960's and was dedicated on March 5, 2011 by the Most Rev. Francis X. DiLorenzo.

    Um, wouldn't that claim be true of various earlier SSPX, CMRI, &c., or independent chapels?  Oh, wait!   Perhaps that's technically true, if one limits it to sites that accept the bogus Novus Ordo label "extraordinary form".

    Less than a year later the Chapel was canonically erected as a parish.  St. Benedict’s Parishl continues under the provisions of the motu proprio, Summorum Pontificum, with the permission of His Excellency, The Most Reverend Francis X. DiLorenzo, Bishop of the Diocese of Richmond.  St. Benedict’s Chapel [....] is staffed with priests from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter.

    The Novus Ordo bishop giveth, so the same bishop--or one of his successors--can taketh away.  I'm mystified that some (or all?) FSSP client congregations can be so clueless about that fundamental built-in vulnerability.

    (I'd already looked this up out of curiousity on Monday, so I figured that I might as well pass it along today.)


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    « Reply #32 on: April 30, 2014, 04:19:15 PM »
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  • It is the "Society"of St. Pius X and "Fraternity" of St. Peter.

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    « Reply #33 on: May 01, 2014, 09:34:21 PM »
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  • To me this unnecessary new Seminary is the "Good Riddance to Bp Williamson Seminary"....that's what the sign there should say..In Latin, Greek and Hebrew..

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    « Reply #34 on: May 02, 2014, 02:28:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

    To me this unnecessary new Seminary is the "Good Riddance to Bp Williamson Seminary"....that's what the sign there should say..In Latin, Greek and Hebrew..



    Ouch.  

    What would that even look like in Latin?  

    Maybe it ought to be in English, French and German.
    Those are like Latin Greek and Hebrew were In Dies Sub Pontio Pilato.

    We could make up some posters and bumper stickers and T-shirts and coffee mugs.
    Maybe put it in RED sky writing.  That might get the message out.  



    GR+W SEMINARY ~ GOOD RIDDANCE +W




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    « Reply #35 on: May 02, 2014, 02:50:45 AM »
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    It is the "Society" of St. Pius X and "Fraternity" of St. Peter.


    In France, which is about as far away from here as Virginia is, the SSPX is called the FSSPX, FYI, and is referred to as "the Fraternity."

    So the FSSP was involved in St. Benedict's?  You didn't explain that before.  In California we don't have any FSSP, so it's hard for me to imagine how that works.  

    Is this correct? :
    Quote from: Ekim might have meant to have

    The SSPX was originally in Chesapeake at St. Benedict's Chapel.  This was part of Fr. Williamsons Mass circuit at one time.  After JPII allowed the indult [in 1984], some members voted to turn the Chapel over to Bishop Sullivan, of the Richmond Diocese.  St. Benedict's was eventually given to the Fraternity of St. Peter, however.  The FSSP tore down the dated old Chapel and built a very nice church, without the help of the SSPX.


    How did the FSSP get involved?  Were they providing Mass there?  Was there an FSSP priest who was a family member of the congregation?

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    Those faithful who were still dedicated to the mission of ABL relocated to Virginia Beach and renamed themselves Immaculate Conception Mission.  They held fund raisers, worked and saved to buy land for construction of a church of their own.  Due to a lack of trust by the Society because of the past betrayal in Chesapeake, the folks in Va Beach were told that they had to give the land to the SSPX to be sure of their dedication to the SSPX.  

    After they turned over the land in full ($275K in 1998) thinking the SSPX would then help them build a church, they were then told they had to now raise 50% of the cost of a Chapel and only then would the SSPX help.  Fifteen to twenty years later, the SSPX still owns their land, dangles carrots, but provides no help in building a chapel.



    This makes a lot more sense now.  Is it correct?   Did I make any mistakes?  If not, what kind of "carrots" does the Society dangle?  Do they provide Mass at the property?  Is there any building there or is it a tent on a dirt field?  Is it a barn?  Is it a residence?  What's going on?

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    « Reply #36 on: May 02, 2014, 12:07:05 PM »
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  • Hi Niel,
    At St. Benedicts, the land and Chapel were owned by private individuals  and serviced by the SSPX.  When the indult came out, they gave it to the diocese with the promise from Bishop Sullivan, that he would continue to provide them a priest to offer the Latin Mass.  The owners thanked the SSPX for the years of dedication by telling them their services were no longer needed.  Originally the Mass was offered by an old diocesan priest named Fr. Damian who also had no problems celebrating the Novus Ordo Mass.   Once Father started to push 90 years old, the diocese gave the land and chapel to the Fraternity of St. Peter.

    Those who were not willing to sell out to the Richmond Diocese relocated to Virginia Beach.

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    « Reply #37 on: May 02, 2014, 12:17:05 PM »
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  • As for Carrots, 1st the SSPX said, give us your land and we'll know your serious about us helping you.  In exchange will continue sending priests to offer the sacraments and help the mission to grow. Everyone believed that this also meant help in building a chapel.  After they worked, saved and raised over a quarter of a million dollars cash the SSPX said "Good Job. Thanks for the land.  Now if you want us to help you build a chapel raise another $250,000 dollars cash and then we'll cosign a loan for the rest."

    Many folks felt they were betrayed by the SSPX and have moved their families to St. Benedicts in Chesapeake Va


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    « Reply #38 on: May 02, 2014, 12:23:00 PM »
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  • Just incase the above was not clear.  The folks who moved to Va Beach raised money and brought their own land and then gave it to the SSPX.

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    « Reply #39 on: May 02, 2014, 02:06:23 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Have any of the "dangerous location" commentators actually BEEN to the new seminary?  Whatever its shortcomings, proximity to the evil Masonic U.S. capitol is not one of them.  It's in "the boonies!". The nearest town is Dillwyn, about eight miles away.  By car, Washington D.C. is a four hour drive.  (Okay, at sspx-priest speed, 3 hours!)   Public transport is nonexistent.   Furthermore, it is at the base of a mountainous area known for its treacherous winter driving conditions.  
    A drive-through last summer revealed a distinct lack of cultural ambience.  Think, "Dollar General stores, Country and Western music, red-neck bars!"  Or maybe I drove in from the wrong direction!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #40 on: May 02, 2014, 03:23:59 PM »
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    :dancing-banana:
    Have any of the "dangerous location" commentators actually BEEN to the new seminary?  Whatever its shortcomings, proximity to the evil Masonic U.S. capitol is not one of them.  It's in "the boonies!". The nearest town is Dillwyn, about eight miles away.  By car, Washington D.C. is a four hour drive.  (Okay, at sspx-priest speed, 3 hours!)   Public transport is nonexistent.   Furthermore, it is at the base of a mountainous area known for its treacherous winter driving conditions.  
    A drive-through last summer revealed a distinct lack of cultural ambience.  Think, "Dollar General stores, Country and Western music, red-neck bars!"  Or maybe I drove in from the wrong direction!


    The Dangerous Locationists!  :laugh2:

    It's like the people who believe anyone from England is from London; it's so embarrassing.  Thank you for stating the facts.  There's no way my husband will go down there or allow us to go--way too horrible of a drive.  It's easier to get to NYC.



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    « Reply #41 on: May 09, 2014, 09:57:17 PM »
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  • I'm just a little saddened that anyone with the Resistance would go to a conference given by the Sup Gen...he's made a habit of tailoring his message to his audience so where's the benefit in going to see him? He'll tell the Franciscan Sisters one thing on Tue. and Rome something else on Fri...

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    « Reply #42 on: May 09, 2014, 11:17:21 PM »
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  • I'd like to make two more comments about Washington, DC before this thread gets buried.  The first is that I by no means wish to discourage anyone from visiting the city.  It is a beautiful city and is a good place to vacation.  Many of the negative things I wrote about Washington can be found in all major cities.  And more importantly, I wrote what I did from the perspective of dangers posed to those seeking a lifestyle of celibacy and poverty in imitation of Christ.  That is entirely different from secular men and women who are allowed many of the things that would pose a temptation to the seminarians.  I loved living there and did so for decades.  

    My second comment is about the seminary's distance from DC.  It is a given that traffic in and around DC is horrible, especially during rush hours.  It used to take me 1-1/2 to 2 hours to go each way to work and that was many years ago--way before streets were closed as they are now.  It must be even worse now.  Often I spent 4 hours a day in traffic when I lived just 12 miles from downtown DC.  I did this for years.  If you try to get into the city at the height of rush hour, you sit and wait.  So, you can live very near the city and still spend hours in traffic to get to your destination.  Distance isn't always a factor.

    And I worked with people who lived far, far from the city who got up at 4 AM to get to work by 9 and who got home, ate dinner, and went to bed.  They lived so far out because the countryside in both Virginia and Maryland is beautiful and DC is where the action is as far as high-paying jobs are concerned.  I've worked with people who lived in the Shenandoah Valley and made the daily commute and many lived way down in Southern Maryland.  

    Given the fact that so many of DC's workers are more than willing to drive for hours to and from work daily, I do not think this seminary is all that far away.  It may well be in the "boonies" but so are other cities I can think of where my friends lived and they worked in DC.  You simply drive to the nearest Metro station and take that into the city.  Then you negotiate the city by Metro.  Northern Virginia has Metro to DC and there are Metro stations all over DC.

    If you have never had to fight traffic daily, I know all this sounds horrible.  But actually, you get used to it.  Once you are out of the immediate area of the city, you begin to enjoy the drive while you plan the day ahead or unwind from the day's pressures.  You can listen to audio books or sermons, etc. undisturbed.  You can say the Rosary.  

    As for hazardous driving conditions, think inside the city.  It's there that you'll find some of the worst accidents in winter.  Many people who work for the Government have never lived where there is snow.  They don't know how to drive in it.  One or two inches of snow on the roads in the city causes numerous accidents.  Once you get out of the city, you're into areas where people are used to the snow and their vehicles are properly equipped and they know how to drive in it.  I always felt safer outside the city as far as accidents go.  (The young Government employees who can't drive in the snow tend to live in or near the city.)  

    Another consideration is that if the powers that be at the seminary become friendly with the Novus Ordo's in Virginia and/or DC, the seminarians could easily find housing for overnight stays and make weekend trips to the city.

    Many of us make a long drive weekly or monthly to attend Mass now.  Many of us endure hours in traffic daily for our jobs.  Maybe some of you spend most of the time just sitting and waiting like I did or you're actually moving along the road, but it's still time spent getting from point A to point B.  It's part of life now for some of us.  It might become part of life for the seminarians as well.

     

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