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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2019, 04:59:14 PM »
Please give me the argument why supporting Fr. Pfeiffer/Hewko in the early Resistance from 2012 to mid-2014 would constitute "idiocy".
You followed, defended, and supported a priest as a good shepherd for two years who turned out to be an insane cult-leader mind-controlled by a warlock (according to current Cathinfo thought). I am sure there were numerous red flags which you ignored because you were blinded by your disillusion with the SSPX and were willing to trust those priests who opposed them. So you followed and trusted a man who is apparently more of an "idiot" than Hutton Gibson or Gerry Matatics. I do not blame you at all. I am just saying it is dangerous out there and very hard to know who to trust (I do not believe all the crazy things I read but I read and consider things from various viewpoints). For all we know the CMRI is the true path and not the resistance. I don't have the answers. I just try.

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #81 on: May 16, 2019, 05:07:59 PM »
You followed, defended, and supported a priest as a good shepherd for two years who turned out to be an insane cult-leader mind-controlled by a warlock (according to current Cathinfo thought). I am sure there were numerous red flags which you ignored because you were blinded by your disillusion with the SSPX and were willing to trust those priests who opposed them. So you followed and trusted a man who is surely more of an "idiot" than Hutton Gibson or Gerry Matatics. I do not blame you at all. I am just saying it is dangerous out there and very hard to know who to trust (I do not believe all the crazy things I read but I read and consider things). For all we know the CMRI is the true path and not the resistance.

You're not giving any example.

You can't just speculate and assume there were red flags. Red flags aren't just "always there" by default. That's why they are called RED FLAGS. I'm here to say there weren't any. Fr. Pfeiffer showed no signs of evil or being controlled by an evil one.

"who turned out to be an insane cult-leader mind-controlled by a warlock"
remember, it is equally or more likely that "he eventually TURNED INTO an insane cult-leader mind-controlled by a warlock"

Isolation and lack of any higher authority has driven a lot more priests than just Fr. Pfeiffer insane over the last 50 years. The problem is, they don't go insane on Day One.

You can't say that just because someone went bad or fell, that he was ALWAYS bad. That's the mistake some people make about Bishop Fellay! They can't believe a current bad guy wasn't always a bad guy from his very conception.

It's that comic book mentality. Good guys and bad guys -- and never the twain shall meet! Your opponent is the devil, but the devil was always evil since Man was created, so...


Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2019, 06:28:00 PM »
Those positions, although unpopular, at least have rational reasons behind them and pass the "smell test".

You can't say that "Trads are fringe. Believing in aliens is fringe. Therefore they're kind of the same." Yes, both are unpopular and counter-culture, but being Traditional Catholic is sane and rational, whereas we know that God didn't create any aliens. Our Lady of Fatima said that UFOs are devils.

Withholding judgment and looking into something is praiseworthy. But once you find insanity, you need to be able to "let it go" and completely reject it. Only by being completely detached from the consequences can you ever hope to find the truth in a sea of lies.

Our Lord gave us some pointers on how to sort out the truth from lies. "Judge a tree by its fruits." He elaborated, "Do men gather figs from thistles?" He invites us to use our brains.
Just wondering, how do we know aliens don't exist?  Maybe there's some theological principle I'm unaware of?

Even if UFOs are devils that doesn't necessarily mean aliens don't exist.

And to be clear, I don't really believe in them, I'm just kind of indifferent unless there's some theological principle I'm unaware of.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #83 on: May 16, 2019, 06:30:23 PM »
You must know Father Pfeiffer better than me. Are you suggesting he was normal and holy until 2014 and then fell? I think the presence of Pablo from before then is evidence that there were problems with Pfeiffer from the beginning. But I can't say you are wrong. This is a silly argument anyway so I am sorry for wasting your time though I do like talking to you. You are right about me that examining crazy ideas from different perspectives (including idiotic ideas) is one of my weaknesses. I guess you have paid attention to my posts over the years as I own up to that fault. I have heard about many crazy things (and some of them I believe) and try to understand those who believe those things and not dismiss them as idiots. So the idea that Lefebvre was a part of some conspiracy and not a saint is something I can understand a paranoid isolated traditional Catholic believing (especially if one was a sedevacantist whose orders do not derive from Lefebvre) so while I disagree I do not dismiss it as mere idiocy. It comes from growing up in a liberal household and then rejecting everything I was ever taught to believe by my parents and in schools to become a conservative right wing traditional Catholic who has trouble trusting people. And the apparent fall of the SSPX makes trusting even more difficult.

Aliens are a problem because of original sin and redemption. I think aliens with free will who are not children of Adam causes difficulty because it means there are creatures who were not subject to original sin because they were not children of Adam and who were not redeemed by Christ. So if there were aliens with free will either they did not fall and needed no redeemer and were not redeemed by Christ, or there were other Adams who fell and there were other Christs who redeemed them. So the idea of creatures with free will who were not children of Adam and were not redeemed by Christ causes difficulties.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #84 on: May 16, 2019, 06:39:28 PM »

Aliens are a problem because of original sin and redemption. I think aliens with free will who are not children of Adam causes difficulty because it means there are creatures who were not subject to original sin because they were not children of Adam and who were not redeemed by Christ. So if there were aliens with free will either they did not fall and needed no redeemer and were not redeemed by Christ, or there fell and there was another Christ who redeemed them. So the idea of creatures with free will who were not children of Adam and were not redeemed by Christ causes difficulties.
I'll agree with ruling out the "Another Christ" explanation.  But what if aliens were in a comparable position to the angels?  (either unfallen, or else, in a "no second chances" type of paradigm?)

Again, to be clear, I don't see why this isn't a possibility, but that doesn't mean I actually affirm it.