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Offline Matthew

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2019, 01:28:22 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 13, 2019, 01:23:55 PM
I'm not sure I agree.  +Tissier had been against the reunification efforts, but then caved.  Left to his own devices, he would not have gone down +Fellay's path.  +Galaretta I barely hear a peep out of.  It almost sounds like he doesn't care one way or the other, and hasn't cared since his consecration.

All it takes for the triumph of evil is for "good" men to do nothing.
If you let evil run unchecked, and do nothing to stop it, I don't consider you a good man (maybe a poor, miserable or weak man, worthy of pity) -- but I digress.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2019, 01:29:47 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 13, 2019, 06:34:18 AM
That Archbishop Lefebvre only initially intended to consecrate 3 bishops is docuŠ¼ented on the SSPX.org website here:

"On February 2nd, the Archbishop announces in Flavigny before television cameras that he will consecrate three bishops on June 30th."

http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/a_short_history_of_the_sspx-part-5.htm

That Fr. Fellay was not among these initial candidates comes from a personal email from Bishop Williamson here:

"Upon information and belief, it was the Archbishop's friend, Attorney Roger Lovey, who asked on behalf of the Archbishop's Swiss drivers all over Europe, for a fourth priest from Switzerland to be added to the three priests already chosen to be consecrated bishops. The Archbishop agreed out of gratitude to his drivers. Fr Bernard Fellay seemed to be the best suited, and the rest is history."

To do something in gratitude is not the same as doing it for money.  And I suppose you could suspect that I am fraudulently attributing this quote to Bishop Williamson, or made it up myself (but in that case, you could simply write to Bishop Williamson to verify).  Or, you could question the source of Bishop Williamson's information.  But if he is going to tell it to me, it is going to be the truth.  For me, his word suffices.

I'm not sure why the whole Swiss thing was even an issue.  Language/culture were the key, and it's not like Switzerland has its own unique culture.  They mostly use German and French.  So +Lefebvre chose a native English speaker, a native Spanish speaker, and a native French speaker.  If anything he might have added a German speaker, but I believe that there are few Germans in SSPX.  +Schmidberger would have been a logical choice (even though I don't like him, and never have).  Does +Fellay even speak German well?

In any case, the other choices were about language/culture and not so much nationality.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2019, 02:17:40 PM »
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+Tissier had been against the reunification efforts, but then caved.  Left to his own devices, he would not have gone down +Fellay's path. 
+Fellay said he was against reunification too, at first.  +Tissier was banished to the lowly chicago chapel for a while.  Maybe he was given an ultimatum?  I agree he's not as complicit at +Fellay, but in the end, he's still a compromiser.  The degree of compromise will never be known.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2019, 02:29:43 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on May 13, 2019, 01:28:22 PM
All it takes for the triumph of evil is for "good" men to do nothing.
If you let evil run unchecked, and do nothing to stop it, I don't consider you a good man (maybe a poor, miserable or weak man, worthy of pity) -- but I digress.

I don't disagree with that.  My point was only that it seems that +Fellay is more positively pro-reunification than the other two bishops.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2019, 02:31:38 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 13, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
+Tissier was banished to the lowly chicago chapel for a while.  Maybe he was given an ultimatum?

Yes, wasn't that interesting?  Actually, a couple years ago he came to our podunk little Independent chapel in Akron to offer Mass on Christmas Day ... when our elderly priest was out for a hip surgery.  I recall that Father Carley complained to the SSPX bitterly that they couldn't find a fill-in for him ... after he had left all his (substantial) property to the SSPX in his will.  I had warned him not to do that, by the way.  In fact, I had been on the board of trustees there, but I resigned after Father asked me to sign the docuŠ¼ent.  I wouldn't sign it, and I resigned instead.  Very politely, and without hard feelings.  I'll always be grateful to Father for his many years of service to my extended family.  But I just couldn't put my name on it in good conscience.  In any case, I suspect he may have threatened to remove them from his will if they didn't send a replacement, and then none other than +Tissier showed up unannounced to offer Mass on Christmas Day.

Does anyone have information about why +Tissier was marginalized like that?
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