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Offline Mega-fin

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 11:00:49 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on May 13, 2019, 09:45:07 AM
I agree, the percentages are up for debate, and we'll never know for sure. It's hard to nail that down.

However, the point (which can't be disputed) is this: when calculating the % pro- classic SSPX position, and the % pro-Modernist Rome, you have to take into account the large % of SSPX Faithful who are followers, apathetic, who will go along with whatever the SSPX leadership does.

This large % is anywhere from 50% up to 90%. One can debate the specifics, but not the general principle.
Absolutely. But how many people these days in SSPX parishes know what the position of the Archbishop was?
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Offline Meg

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2019, 11:09:00 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on May 12, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
It's hard to determine the influences that +ABL was under and we hope for the best concerning his intentions.  

What is it exactly that's hard to determine regarding the influence that +ABL was under? Why would you question his intentions? 
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Offline Matthew

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2019, 11:37:25 AM »
Quote from: Mega-fin on May 13, 2019, 11:00:49 AM
Absolutely. But how many people these days in SSPX parishes know what the position of the Archbishop was?
That's the problem. Most don't care to do any kind of reading/research to find out -- they just gobble up whatever seeds and acorns the SSPX priests thrown at them. 
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Offline homeschoolmom

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2019, 11:46:56 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on May 13, 2019, 08:34:33 AM
NO! You're totally missing an important point:
1/2 of them don't care, and will go whichever way the wind blows.

Another 1/3 is positively leaning in the new direction. Probably less than 1/6th is conservative or has any kind of strong feelings for sticking with +ABL's old SSPX.

It's even more complicated -- because many are conservative and want to stick with +ABL, but they are ignorant about what that means!

I don't think more than 1/3 is actively desiring a change towards Modern Rome.

You're right, I'm sorry, I had completely forgotten all the in-betweens. It's hard to imagine that anyone could possibly be lukewarm about it, but it's true that if 1/3 are actively for the changes, then the remaining 2/3 would be split up in a bunch of other boxes. The: 

"I don't know", 
"I don't care", 
"I'm not paying attention", 
"I'm confused", 
"I waver back and forth", 
"This is over my head", 
"This is above my pay grade", 

and finally a small portion would be actively against. That is beside the point that those who positively want the new direction are not all freemasons, I was just struck by the number, completely forgetting there are any positions beyond for or against.   
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2019, 01:23:55 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 12, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
Very true.  The other 2 bishops have compromised just as much as +Fellay.

I'm not sure I agree.  +Tissier had been against the reunification efforts, but then caved.  Left to his own devices, he would not have gone down +Fellay's path.  +Galaretta I barely hear a peep out of.  It almost sounds like he doesn't care one way or the other, and hasn't cared since his consecration.
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