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Offline Matthew

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 12:02:50 PM »
Didn’t Bishop Fellay grow up near the seminary in Econe? I was under the impression that he was a devout Catholic since he was young.
I believe you are right.

I agree with Ladislaus -- it's not an INSANE speculation, but it's also not necessary, nor do we have proof.

+Fellay just fell for the siren song of popularity, the idea that "we're going to save the Church" and he is willing to do anything to get all those thousands of "conservative" Catholics packing his pews. You know, the Catholics who, up till now, were scared away from the SSPX by the irregular Canonical status of the SSPX.

It doesn't require a Freemason to do what +Fellay did. And this is a STUPID thread and a distraction, because

The Crisis in the SSPX, and the Resistance, is not about the man +Fellay! About 1/3 of the SSPX priests feel and see things like +Fellay does. Are they all Freemasons?

I understand where the author is coming from, and MAYBE his heart is in the right place, but he's just causing a distraction.

What +Fellay doesn't realize is that this "fear of contradiction" is exactly what kept the SSPX relatively unscathed from the Modernist contagion up till now.
Being hated by the world is a good "filter", as it were. It keeps out the lukewarm and the bad apples. Remove this filter, and in comes the flood.

There are only so many good Trads (a.k.a. "good, serious Catholics") out there.  If you want to increase your numbers fivefold, you're GOING to have to lower your standards, and completely dilute your mission.

I'm not saying every non-Trad should be consigned to Hell -- but until they are ready to be a REAL Trad, they should stay out of the "serious Trad" group. Let the conservative Catholic groups get them started on the path of truth. Then, when they're ready for solid food (baby food), let them graduate to the FSSP. Then, when they are ready to be adult Catholics, let them join the SSPX.

That's how it used to work.

Offline Matthew

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2019, 12:09:10 PM »
Taking the "serious Trad" group and downgrading it to FSSP or conservative Catholic, in order to "meet people where they are", is a huge mistake. It's what the Catholic Church did in the 1960's for crying out loud! We all know how that ended up.

No, what you do is keep your standards high, and some people will join you. The rest are going to be in lesser stages of the journey, and that's what the conservative N.O., FSSP, Indult, etc. is for.

But taking a group that's already at the top of the ladder, and bumping them ALL down to the bottom rung, is a huge act of destruction.


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2019, 12:54:23 PM »
Taking the "serious Trad" group and downgrading it to FSSP or conservative Catholic, in order to "meet people where they are", is a huge mistake. It's what the Catholic Church did in the 1960's for crying out loud! We all know how that ended up.

This is absolutely correct.

Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2019, 12:55:22 PM »
I love a good conspiracy theory but the opening post is a complex, confusing, ridiculous collection of multiple fonts, colors, underlines, etc.  It's unreadable and headache-inducing.  Maybe there's some truth in there somewhere?  I won't spend the time to find out.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2019, 12:58:57 PM »
I didn’t know he was pressured to include Fellay. I don’t disbelieve you, but do you have some proof for this?

It’s a disappointing fact.

I will find the citation; can’t recall if it was confirmed in the Biography or somewhere else.

I remember it slightly hurting my esteem for Archbishop Lefebvre when I learned this (ie., caving in to the desires of Swiss benefactors, which implies he did it for money).

We all make mistakes (and that one came back to destroy his SSPX), but he still deserves to be recognized as the savior of the faith, and because of that as one of the greatest saints of all-time, in my opinion.