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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2019, 11:57:38 AM »
You must know Father Pfeiffer better than me. Are you suggesting he was normal and holy until 2014 and then fell? I think the presence of Pablo from before then is evidence that there were problems with Pfeiffer from the beginning. But I can't say you are wrong.

1. Yes I'm saying he was normal before 2014. There was no public knowledge of anything to the contrary. Holy? Sure, I guess -- he was heroically standing up against the changes in the SSPX, at a time when no one else was. As for Pablo, we all know the deal with him today, and it's hard to remember when he was an unknown. But for most of the country, he was a huge unknown back in 2013. He was colorful, eccentric, and maybe a bit rash/imprudent -- that's all anyone knew about him back then. As soon as word got out about his "hobby" of fist-fighting the devil, he was immediately banned from CathInfo. Pablo didn't even follow Fr. Pfeiffer to every chapel he said Mass at. He certainly never set foot here.

2. Saying I supported Fr. Pfeiffer until 2014 is being a bit generous. I had Fr. Pfeiffer here twice, Fr. Hewko here twice (for the first visit, they were here together) for a total of 3 times -- Between Feb 2013 and Sept. 2013. That was the extent of my "support" for them. Monetarily, I only donated the use of a large 1000 SF warehouse building and the use of a lot of chapel equipment. I publicized and organized the event and the potluck which followed. I also did the airport runs to/from. That was my contribution. If you ask me, that is more important than tossing $50 or $100 in the collection. Anyone can do that. Who has a location for Mass? Who can talk to countless individuals one-on-one to drum up support for a brand-new chapel? Serving the Mass, arranging music/hymns during the Mass, being the coordinator (which is a huge job in itself) -- all of that takes a lot of work.

To be more accurate, I didn't have anything to publicly criticize Fr. Pfeiffer about until Nov. 2014 when he started attacking +Williamson and then-Fr. Zendejas. Nov 1, 2014 was also the date of Fr. Pfeiffer's infamous sermon during which he glorified a woman for sleeping with a Rosary under her pillow. Not praying the Rosary, mind you, just sleeping with it under her pillow like a talisman, which is superstition because it assumes an object has power *outside of* one's actual devotion.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2019, 01:40:08 PM »

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1. The Bible doesn't mention aliens, even though it mentions everything else in the visible world.

In what way does the Bible mention everything else in the visible world?  I have serious doubts about this unless you're classifying in very general terms.


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2. We haven't found any aliens yet. Not even microbes.
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Sure.  And they very likely don't exist.  I was just asking why they couldn't, from a theological standpoint.  Not why someone doesn't believe in them (I don't either.) 

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3. (true) Science has discovered that the earth is actually the center of the universe. Everything rotates around the earth. Google "axis of evil". Geocentrism is true. Carl Sagan was wrong that we are in a backwoods "nothing special" far-out corner of a galaxy.
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I haven't researched this enough to really be able to comment on it.  But say that's true.  So what?  I can see how that might make alien existence improbable.  But I don't see how it makes it theologically impossible.

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4. #3 actually makes sense, because Earth is the planet on which God took HUMAN FLESH and died on the cross. The second Person of the Holy Trinity has a human nature now in Heaven. He can't take on any other additional alien nature(s). He can't have a glorified human body AND a glorified green alien body with 15 tentacles at the same time. That would be metaphysically impossible; an actual contradiction like a square circle.
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I agree with this.  This is the first relevant theological point that I can make sense of (the other points, even if true, are really probabilistic claims rather than definitive theological ones as far as I can see it.)  However, this doesn't rule out the existence of alien life, only its redeemability.  Angels couldn't be redeemed either, but they certainly exist, despite clearly having souls and eternal destinies.
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5. And no, the other two Persons in the Holy Trinity aren't standing around in some kind of waiting room "still available" to do what the Second Person of the Holy Trinity did on Earth to save mankind in 33 AD. Jesus created the world, He is the LOGOS, the Word. It's difficult to comprehend the Trinity to any degree, but let's just say that it wasn't a coincidence that the LOGOS, the Second Person became man and died for our sins. Jesus didn't lose a divine "coin toss", nor did He draw the "short straw".

The Trinity is kind of like a fire: you have light, heat, and consuming action. Those 3 things go together. Where you have "fire", you have all 3. The light isn't the heat, and the heat isn't the consuming action. But there is only 1 fire. You can't say, "Well, last time the HEAT of the fire warmed my food; this time let's have the LIGHT of the fire warm my food." It doesn't work that way.

I agree here as well, but again, this only suggests that it is certainly a theological impossibility that aliens could be redeemed, if they did in fact exist.  So where I'm at right now, barring any further argument to the contrary, is that aliens very likely don't exist, I don't see any reason to believe they exist, but if it turned out that they did, in fact, exist, it wouldn't challenge my Catholic faith, because I see no contradiction. I'll grant that something like geocentrism, and the belief that the earth is the center of the universe, does seem to decrease the probability that aliens exist, but even if that's affirmed, aliens still *could* exist, and it would still make sense that the planet humans live on was the center since that was the place to which God sent a redeemer.

But I agree that an "alien Christ" wouldn't be possible.  And trying to posit that possibility would lead to all sorts of heresies.


Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2019, 01:41:40 PM »
Indeed, what if +Fellay/+Lefebvre are/were aliens?

NOW we have come full circle on this thread.
Well since we all know Freemasons are aliens, the question on this thread seems to be whether Fellay is a freemason/alien  ;D

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2019, 01:49:06 PM »

Where did you get the above? I have never read that.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2019, 01:49:50 PM »
I mean where Our Lady of Fatima said aliens were devils.